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(CGY / CAR) - Hanifin, Lindholm for Hamilton, Fox, Ferland

Who won the trade?
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Apr 8, 2019 at 1:44
#51
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Quoting: drewjenks
I'm just rubbing the dude.

I didn't predict Lindholm becoming a PPG player outta nowhere and Fox not signing in Carolina ... both were fairly unpredictable.

Those made the difference in the trade and gave CGY the win (Calgary also signed Lindholm / Hanifin to surprisingly good contracts).

Hamilton is still better than Hanifin though.


So pretty much you just wont admit you were wrong.
Apr 9, 2019 at 1:09
#52
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
So pretty much you just wont admit you were wrong.


"I didn't predict" ....... "Those made the difference in the trade and gave CGY the win"

I just did you loser.
Apr 9, 2019 at 9:18
#53
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Quoting: drewjenks
"I didn't predict" ....... "Those made the difference in the trade and gave CGY the win"

I just did you loser.


There's no way you're a 23 year old adult.
Apr 9, 2019 at 10:43
#54
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
There's no way you're a 23 year old adult.


I can read.
Apr 9, 2019 at 10:53
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Quoting: drewjenks
I can read.


Sorry; I'm all out of gold star stickers, kid.
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Apr 9, 2019 at 5:50
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Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
Sorry; I'm all out of gold star stickers, kid.


You can not.

Lolcow.
Jun 29, 2019 at 3:25
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Worked out well for Carolina, I always liked Doogie Hamilton even on Boston... WAnted Vegas to take Ferland if they exposed him to the expansion draft too smile... Flames were not as good as their record as the playoffs showed pretty fast wink...
Jul 6, 2019 at 7:24
#58
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One year ago I was horrified by the trade but now I realize it was a very good trade for both sides for this year. However with the departure of Fox and potential departure in Ferland the long term win goes to Calgary. At the time of writing the trade is now a #3D and #1RW (arguably) for a #1D (arguably) and 2nd and a 3rd. Calgary wins long term. Contracts are all team favorable as all were Tre deals
Jul 7, 2019 at 2:49
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Carolina Gives Up:
Elias Lindholm
Noah Hanifin

Carolina Gets:
Anttoni Honka
Jamieson Rees
Dougie Hamilton
2020 2nd/3rd
1 Year of Michael Ferland

Not as bad as it seemed halfway through the year, but still not great.
Oct 21, 2020 at 9:15
#60
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Quoting: Hockeylover360
This is a blockbuster, I'd the Hurricanes win but if you compare the pieces.
Hanifin is a solid 3 and is only 21, Hamilton is 24 and is a solid 2 but has now been traded twice.
Lindholm is a good 2nd liner, Ferland is also a 2nd liner but has had only one year of 2nd line production so far.
Fox is here to make the deal sweeter for Carolina so overall Carolina wins


Quoting: Missouri
I think this shows a lack of familiarity with the Hurricanes recent play.

You seem to assume that Hamilton and Hanifin are roughly equal, when that simply is not true. Hamilton is a true #1 defenseman, making just about anyone with a tad bit of skill a positive player. Although the Hamilton-Giordano pair was symbiotic, there's no question that Hamilton had more success when away from Giordano: just check their WOWY charts.

Meanwhile, although Hanifin certainly had a solid season, he was absolutely put into a more sheltered role, as the Slavin-Pesce top pair ate up most of the difficult minutes. While he's probably a high-end middle pairing guy right now, there's no doubt he is the inferior player to Hamilton, and I personally see his ceiling is lower than Dougie's, if he even reaches it.

Lindholm has never been, and never will be, a dominant scorer. On a Carolina team where he was consistently paired with Jeff Skinner, Lindholm never produced more than 45 points in a season, and has a low shooting percentage for a top-six forward. We're at the point where his shooting skill is a known minus to his game, and although he grades better defensively and as a playmaker, I would not expect him to crack 20 goals or 60 points in any season. Additionally, if and when the Flames pay him just south of $5mil per season, they will probably not be getting their money's worth.

I'll admit Ferland and Fox were probably irrelevant pieces to the Flames, so Calgary probably got more value from their perspective, but there's no question in my mind that Hamilton easily beats Hanifin and makes up part of the difference between Lindholm and Ferland. Adding Fox likely puts this over the top for Carolina, although we'll have to wait a few years to see how this trade truly grades out.


Wow lotta reading... I think it shows that I am talking about how much I know about the Hurricanes which is alot for your FYI! And I was saying that Lindholm and Hanifin are going to become great players, NO of course not Hamilton and Hanifin aren't equal! Not until Hanifin gets good that is.[/quote]

Quoting: tad77
The door is open for Faulk to be traded, although it would be interesting to see if they attempt to put Faulk or Dougie on their off sides, so that they're in one-timer position. Additionally, with the organization struggling to sign their RFAs, it wouldn't surprise me if they keep Faulk just because he's under contract.

In terms of players who could fill that #2 LHD spot, I would be highly suspect of Fleury or Dahlbeck. Bean is a nice prospect but probably not ready for full-time NHL duty, never mind a top 4 position. I would expect for them to make a run at someone via trade or free agency who can fill in that spot, at least for this season.



I think this shows a lack of familiarity with the Hurricanes recent play.

You seem to assume that Hamilton and Hanifin are roughly equal, when that simply is not true. Hamilton is a true #1 defenseman, making just about anyone with a tad bit of skill a positive player. Although the Hamilton-Giordano pair was symbiotic, there's no question that Hamilton had more success when away from Giordano: just check their WOWY charts.

Meanwhile, although Hanifin certainly had a solid season, he was absolutely put into a more sheltered role, as the Slavin-Pesce top pair ate up most of the difficult minutes. While he's probably a high-end middle pairing guy right now, there's no doubt he is the inferior player to Hamilton, and I personally see his ceiling is lower than Dougie's, if he even reaches it.

Lindholm has never been, and never will be, a dominant scorer. On a Carolina team where he was consistently paired with Jeff Skinner, Lindholm never produced more than 45 points in a season, and has a low shooting percentage for a top-six forward. We're at the point where his shooting skill is a known minus to his game, and although he grades better defensively and as a playmaker, I would not expect him to crack 20 goals or 60 points in any season. Additionally, if and when the Flames pay him just south of $5mil per season, they will probably not be getting their money's worth.

I'll admit Ferland and Fox were probably irrelevant pieces to the Flames, so Calgary probably got more value from their perspective, but there's no question in my mind that Hamilton easily beats Hanifin and makes up part of the difference between Lindholm and Ferland. Adding Fox likely puts this over the top for Carolina, although we'll have to wait a few years to see how this trade truly grades out.


Quoting: Missouri
After Treviling said he wasn't going to trade Dougie, he does! Wow huge suprise. Calgary wins IMO as they got a younger dman who is going to be a elite defenseman in a year or 2 and they get Lindholm who i also think is going to be a dominant scorer in the league for years to come.


Quoting: Captain_Canada16
Trade works great both ways but the Flames had to make this trade.

1. Adam Fox was reportedly not going to sign with Calgary.
2. Dougie was a distraction in the organization.
3. Ferland's inconsistency and unable to play with Monny/Gaudry made him a bottom six forward.


Quoting: rangersandislesfan
Win-win for both sides. Carolina wasn't gonna sign Lindholm ... Hanifin also was unsigned. And for Calgary, you have to remember Hanifin was an all-star this year. Lindholm is also a very good player.


What do yall think now
Oct 21, 2020 at 1:06
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Quoting: habs_fan123
Wow lotta reading... I think it shows that I am talking about how much I know about the Hurricanes which is alot for your FYI! And I was saying that Lindholm and Hanifin are going to become great players, NO of course not Hamilton and Hanifin aren't equal! Not until Hanifin gets good that is.










What do yall think now[/quote]

Still a big Win for Calgary! Hanifin has turned into a solid top 4 dman. Lindholm good goal scorer and top 6 forward. The Hurricanes don't have Fox or Ferland anymore and Hamilton is a locker room cancer. So ya i stick to my previous reasons. Calgary wins.
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Oct 21, 2020 at 6:00
#62
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Quoting: Missouri


I think this was honestly a win-win in hindsight. Hamilton has truly potential to be a top 5 defender in the league and Lindholm has found a great spot in Calgary, something he could never quite reach in Carolina. Now Hanifin is nothing like Hamilton, especially offensively, but he's a young stud and has room to grow. I can't say if Hamilton is bad for locker room, but doubt it. He's a fantastic defender and last season was one of the best, and he has the statistics to back it up.
Oct 21, 2020 at 6:04
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Quoting: Missouri
What do yall think now


Still a big Win for Calgary! Hanifin has turned into a solid top 4 dman. Lindholm good goal scorer and top 6 forward. The Hurricanes don't have Fox or Ferland anymore and Hamilton is a locker room cancer. So ya i stick to my previous reasons. Calgary wins.[/quote]

Quoting: Missouri
What do yall think now


Still a big Win for Calgary! Hanifin has turned into a solid top 4 dman. Lindholm good goal scorer and top 6 forward. The Hurricanes don't have Fox or Ferland anymore and Hamilton is a locker room cancer. So ya i stick to my previous reasons. Calgary wins.[/quote]

I think this was honestly a win-win in hindsight. Hamilton has truly potential to be a top 5 defender in the league and Lindholm has found a great spot in Calgary, something he could never quite reach in Carolina. Now Hanifin is nothing like Hamilton, especially offensively, but he's a young stud and has room to grow. I can't say if Hamilton is bad for locker room, but doubt it. He's a fantastic defender and last season was one of the best, and he has the statistics to back it up.
 
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