Beauty! well done on that Tanev trade. the best part of that trade for the leafs, is that Tanev is a 2.25mill player for when you guys sign Matthews and Marner

What a trade!!!

Canucks trading a fantastic shot suppression defenseman for an overpayed 4th liner. Good work!

Perhaps you missed the picks in the deal. That's what the real return is.

Value about right!

not really

You mean the late 1st and a 4th round pick!?!? That makes it so much better wowie


Wait a second, So your telling me not only do we give Toronto someone who can actually defend we also take Martin of your hands too. And in return we get a late first and a 4th. What a time to be alive!!

At the moment I think the value is about right, because the Canucks should've traded him last offseason when Tanev's value was quite a bit higher. If he can stay healthy and get back to his usual level of play then Van could likely get more than this at the trade deadline though.

haha, toronto fans be like martin for tavev? and maybe we’ll add a 3rd round pick??

LOL they're still high off that Tavares signing. I would be too Tbh

I have the feeling you're going to be pretty disappointed with the actual return in an eventual Tanev trade. It might end up being for a bit more than what I've proposed here, but I doubt by much.

And I'm a Canucks fan. Just one grounded in reality.

Ok fair shout, i do believe that tanev value is slightly lower this year but not by much

haha yeah true

I think ur right. Jim Benning is terrible at everything except drafting

His value may be lower but it's high to us. He's our best defender and if Hughes or Juolevi make the team Tanev is the only true best linemate for them

Instead of thinking we know more than others, lets use some previous trades to backup the claims. Here are some previous players that were traded that are at least slightly comparable to Tanev:

Sami Vatanen
Travis Hamonic
Nik Hjalmarsson

IMHO, Tanev isn't as good or valuable as any one of those guys at the times of those trades. Obviously Hamonic now seeing how badly he's played and what where the picks ended up, are unpredictable. Vatanen is the better overall dman. Hjalmarsson is the more experienced cup winner and Hamonic as I said, at least at the time of the trade was a better player than Tanev.

So I think he deserves less than those guys but the values on those trades are a little all over the place so its hard to estimate. All I know is 1st rounders regardless if they are late or not, carry a lot of value but they carry even more value when they are before the season starts. Yes we all assume Toronto should be good next year but lets just imagine they don't kill it as much as people think and lose in the 1st round again, that pick is anywhere between 17-24. Boeser - 23rd, Konecny - 24th and so on. A really good player can still be had at that range and its not like TO is a lock to win the cup. How many times did Washington expect to win it before they actually did?

I think a 1st and a 4th is a solid return for Tanev. Evenh if that 1st is late, some of you make it out to be garbage. Might want to recheck some of the gems that have gone int he 20-30 range the past 5 years..... I think the part where things get a little dicey is Martin, He still has another year on his contract. thats' the hard part to swallow IMO. Retaining on Tanev now for the whole year and not just the deadline PLUS taking Martin for essentially two full season is IMO too much.

How would one resolve this? IMO remove the retention on Tanev or remove Martin. Its one or the other. Not both. IF both aspects must be included, that 4th needs to be upgraded to a 2nd IMO.

So assuming the basic structure of the trade stay intact, these are the options that would be reasonable for both IMO:

Tanev (50%)
for
Martin
1st 2019
2nd 2019

or

Tanev
For
1st 2019
4th 2019

And this is also imagining Tanev at full value. Dubas specifically wanting Tanev and willing to pay the price. Because if its me, I wouldn't even do Tanev straight up for a late 1st. I think Tanev is one of the most overrated Dmen in the league. Shot suppression is nice and all but you know what's nicer? Playing 82 games season. Scoring more than bottom 6 dman. Those are also very nice things. If Tanev can't atleast meet two of those objectives half way then all that suppression can be thrown in the garbage.

Anyways I tried to be impartial by showing that Tanev still has value regardless of what I think but the above trade isn't all that far off. I'm not sure what Nucks fans are expecting but if you think its a Hamonic return I guarantee it won't happen. CGY paid out the nose for Hamonic and got burned, GM's took notice of that and won;t make that same mistake.

I like that you took the time to do this. My only knock is that hjalmarsson isn't better than Tanev. And your reasoning of that he's a cup winner is weak. So your telling me just bcuz he won a cup he's better? It had nothing to do with the team he played for?

Aside from that you keep saying you don't think Tanev is good and that's fine everyone is entitled to their opinion but he's one of those quiet defenceman who aren't flashy but are good to hold the D together

Its not opinion man, GM's look for this specifically. Cup winners who played important parts of their teams winning. Hjalmarsson made up the "big 3" with Keith and Seabrook the last two times they won. He's a good dman who many teams coveted and has accomplished a lot in his career. I got to keep telling people on here, its not what YOU think. its what GM's think. I guarantee you GM's, at least at the time Hjalmarsson was traded, had way more value than Tanev.

I know what Tanev does good, he does do it very good but that gets diminished a lot IMO by the fact that he can't stay healthy. If your paying for a player for the whole year, you need to get as much value back as possible and injury prone players are not those guys. Plus I can get being a defensive dman but if you are labeled one of those guys, you value is nowhere near what other more offensive top 4 dmen are worth. Replacing what he brings on the free agent market is much easier to do than getting PP quarterbacks who play top 4 and score 30-50 points a year. Shot suppression is nice but if doesn't lead to you generating offense, its somewhat lessened. Tanev's lack of points makes believe it doesn't lead to much offense.

Its like I'm talking to a wall

I not sure whats so complicated. I understood everything you said..........