The only way you're getting Nylander is if you're sending Dumba the other way

I disagree. Spurgeon is a better fit for the Leafs, they have 2 offensive defenseman already, adding Dumba would be a 3rd. Spurgeon gives them a two-way defender that rarely makes mistakes, plays 24 minutes per night (and can play on their PK), and can pitch in offensively. They're getting Spurgeon on a HUGE value deal here too (which is great for them cap-wise). Trading for Dumba doesn't do much for their cap situation either.

In case you missed it, the leafs signed Tavares and aren't in need of a centre. No way they give up Nylander for that return.

Thanks for the sarcasm, but yeah I saw that. Coyle played wing for us the last few seasons and was better there. And why not? They're getting a top pairing RD and a middle 6 forward for $5.6M for a top 6 forward. That's pretty good value for the leafs.

whoever offered Forbort for a 5th must have something against him. I don't think he can be moved for less than a 2nd, or 3rd/4th+prospect. And Blake has made it clear Vilardi isn't going anywhere. Though Martinez is probably on the table. Maybe Muzzin too.

Leafs pass i discussed this in another post i’ll copy/paste it here:

22 year old 1st line FW just exiting his ELC has more value than 2 years of undersized 2nd pairing defenseman and 2 years of 3rd line FW. Offer them Dumba, they talk. Otherwise if they decide to move him 30 teams would want in, they get a better package.

That puts Kings over the cap.

As much as i love Brodin i’d have to pass. No RD prospects in the system while they have plenty of LD prospects. Now if you wanted to send Brodin and Coyle for Backes and one of thise LD prospects and another prospect. Talks would be on. If you’d swap Dumba and Brodin for Carlo, Krug, Backes., Cehlarik. Done deal.

I think I'd be more interested in Muzzin, although he's almost 30 and I get the idea we want to get younger, not older. I thought it was kind of low value for Forbert. Forbert is the guy I like most out of your "available" defenseman (no way Doughty gets moved).

Cap will be Blakes key focus in moving players going forward here, and though I love Muzzin and Martinez, I know one or both of them will be gone by this time next year, and the less expensive contracts will stay. Dion and Ilya deals are just brutal to the cap hit.

Add around a 3rd or a 4th with no retained salary from spurgeon and that is a fair deal.

I don't see Dumba as a one-dimensional D-man. Won't pretend to have seen as much of him as you...but what I have seen shows me a young RHD that can bring it at both ends of the ice. I would entertain a Nylander-Dumba based swap particularly because it appears Dumba's next deal will come in maybe $500k-$1.5k lower than Nylander

The reason I retained is because Toronto is in a cap crunch. If we moved Spurgeon to TOR and then one of Nino/Zucker/Coyle to either TOR or elsewhere we could easily handle the retention. I think we'd be less inclined to move picks since we've traded so many away in the past, and our new GM seems to be all about building through the draft while staying competitive (much like Nashville has done).

He's more offensive, but he is decent defensively making huge strides on his defensive game to end last season. He'll make 1 really bad mistake every couple games (he was a lot better about this to end the season) but I'd still classify him as a high-risk high-reward offensive defenseman. I don't think MN really wants to move Dumba, we moved Brent Burns and look how that turned out. Dumba is one of the few players on our team that has said they were going to step up into a higher role and actually did (Staal and Parise to an extent have done the same). That has a lot of value for us, and he'd be our 1RD for many years if he wants to be. I just think Spurgeon is a better fit for TOR since they already have a lot of offensive defenseman, and Spurge is more of a defensively minded two-way player that chips in on the points here and there (he put up 36 and 37 points the last 2 seasons in 76 and 61 games respectively).

That’s fair. I wouldn’t want to move Dumba if I was minny either.

Spurgeon would be a nice add for the leafs but I don’t think an asking price of Nylander get the conversion moving forward much.

Just my opinion, but if the leafs consider moving nylander I see it as more of a 1-for1 type deal for a young dman. Maybe a pick here or there to balance things out.

I think the value of Dumba for Nylander is very fair, but I'd be surprised if it happened. I think the only possible way Spurgeon goes to TOR for Nylander is if they also get Nino or Zucker too. TOR would probably have to add a little something but I could see that happening.