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EK and Kuch

Created by: jboyd919
Team: 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 7, 2018
Published: Jul. 7, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$9,500,000
4$6,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$11,000,000
1$1,500,000
2$1,000,000
1$850,000
3$1,500,000
2$1,250,000
1$1,250,000
Trades
1.
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  1. 2019 4th round pick (OTT)
2.
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  1. 2019 5th round pick (OTT)
3.
TBL
  1. 2019 2nd round pick (BUF)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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2019
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,000,000$80,659,166$0$632,500$340,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 5
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
$4,450,000$4,450,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 4
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW
UFA - 4
$833,333$833,333
C
UFA - 1
$833,333$833,333
RW
RFA - 2
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$850,000$850,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
$11,000,000$11,000,000
RD
UFA - 8
$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
$6,750,000$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RD
RFA - 2
$759,167$759,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
G
UFA - 1
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD
UFA - 2

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Jul. 7, 2018 at 5:01 p.m.
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No way Kuch takes 9.5 unless it’s like a 3 year deal. He’s going to take 11M plus on a long term deal.
Jul. 7, 2018 at 5:25 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 7, 2018 at 5:34 p.m.
So many things wrong with this, dude...it's sad, really.

Kucherov is getting 8 years at 10.5-11M$ AAV garanty.

You're trading Sergachev for a FIFTH ROUND PICK??? I mean...WHAT!!! Lol! It shows your lack of hockey knowledge. NEXT!

How in the hell can Domingue fetch you a 2nd round pick when he was acquire via waiver last season??

T.Johnson isn't a cap dump at all. Why give him away?

Why so many UFA signings of third tier players? TBL are very deep in in-house talent, they'll mostly promote from within (Cirelli, Raddysh, Foote, Katchouk, Sompi, Masin, Stephens).

You still need 3 more players to complete your roster (only 20 players right now) and you're already at the cap...

It needs a lot of work, my friend. It also needs to be carefully thought out, not just pitched-in in a hurry
Jul. 7, 2018 at 7:19 p.m.
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So many things wrong with this, dude...it's sad, really.

Kucherov is getting 8 years at 10.5-11M$ AAV garanty.

You're trading Sergachev for a FIFTH ROUND PICK??? I mean...WHAT!!! Lol! It shows your lack of hockey knowledge. NEXT!

How in the hell can Domingue fetch you a 2nd round pick when he was acquire via waiver last season??

T.Johnson isn't a cap dump at all. Why give him away?

Why so many UFA signings of third tier players? TBL are very deep in in-house talent, they'll mostly promote from within (Cirelli, Raddysh, Foote, Katchouk, Sompi, Masin, Stephens).

You still need 3 more players to complete your roster (only 20 players right now) and you're already at the cap...

It needs a lot of work, my friend. It also needs to be carefully thought out, not just pitched-in in a hurry



I did this I two minutes just to see what the cap situation would be like. Serg, Johnson, and Callahan would probably be involved in the Karlsson trade but since I skipped this upcoming season I just put whatever to get them off the roster. I know Tampa has a pipeline of players. I live in Tampa. It was literally just an exercise to see if it was possible to sign both Kuch and Karlsson long term. The bottom 6 is gonna be a hodge podge of players anyways.
Jul. 7, 2018 at 7:58 p.m.
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I did this I two minutes just to see what the cap situation would be like. Serg, Johnson, and Callahan would probably be involved in the Karlsson trade but since I skipped this upcoming season I just put whatever to get them off the roster. I know Tampa has a pipeline of players. I live in Tampa. It was literally just an exercise to see if it was possible to sign both Kuch and Karlsson long term. The bottom 6 is gonna be a hodge podge of players anyways.


It is possible for them to accomplish that feat, but they'll need to shed a lot of salary in more than one deal. Callahan needs to go (his NTC will make this difficult), Coburn or Girardi needs to go (again, NTC will make this difficult) and either Johnson or Killorn needs to go (and, you guessed it, NTC will make this difficult!). So they'll have a lot of work to do approaching the deadline or in the off season before july 1st in order to shed all that salary to make room for EK and Kuch new deals. They'll surely have to take a lesser return for Johnson or Killorn and they'll have to litterally pay teams a lot so they take on Coburn or Girardi and Callahan's contract...but I think it's worth the risk. EK is one of a kind.
Jul. 7, 2018 at 9:12 p.m.
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It is possible for them to accomplish that feat, but they'll need to shed a lot of salary in more than one deal. Callahan needs to go (his NTC will make this difficult), Coburn or Girardi needs to go (again, NTC will make this difficult) and either Johnson or Killorn needs to go (and, you guessed it, NTC will make this difficult!). So they'll have a lot of work to do approaching the deadline or in the off season before july 1st in order to shed all that salary to make room for EK and Kuch new deals. They'll surely have to take a lesser return for Johnson or Killorn and they'll have to litterally pay teams a lot so they take on Coburn or Girardi and Callahan's contract...but I think it's worth the risk. EK is one of a kind.


Coburn, Girardi, and Stralman will be without a contract when this roster is constructed. They'll be UFAs when Kuch and Karlsson need extensions. I think Johnson moves in the trade for Karlsson, as well as Callahan, and prospects to whoever takes Cally. They don't really have to move Coburn, Girardi, or Stralman for THIS year. Just getting Cally and Johnson off the books would clear enough space for Karlsson's 6.5m cap hit. Johnson would wave his no trade clause, pretty sure it's limited anyways, but he's young and good and worth a damn.
Jul. 7, 2018 at 9:30 p.m.
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Coburn, Girardi, and Stralman will be without a contract when this roster is constructed. They'll be UFAs when Kuch and Karlsson need extensions. I think Johnson moves in the trade for Karlsson, as well as Callahan, and prospects to whoever takes Cally. They don't really have to move Coburn, Girardi, or Stralman for THIS year. Just getting Cally and Johnson off the books would clear enough space for Karlsson's 6.5m cap hit. Johnson would wave his no trade clause, pretty sure it's limited anyways, but he's young and good and worth a damn.


They shoudn't let Stralman walk...he's too valuable to Hedman. He makes him better and he's a pretty darn solid all around defender. Karlsson suffered more than people think from the loss of his D partner Marc Methot.

McDonaugh-Karlsson
Stralman-Hedman
Sergachev-whoever's in that spot

That's an incredible defense! Not the best ever, but pretty damn close
Jul. 7, 2018 at 9:46 p.m.
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They shoudn't let Stralman walk...he's too valuable to Hedman. He makes him better and he's a pretty darn solid all around defender. Karlsson suffered more than people think from the loss of his D partner Marc Methot.

McDonaugh-Karlsson
Stralman-Hedman
Sergachev-whoever's in that spot

That's an incredible defense! Not the best ever, but pretty damn close


There's no way they acquire Karlsson without losing Sergachev in my opinion, unless they lose Kucherov or Brayden Point. If they acquire Hedman, the top pairing should absolutely be Karlsson-Hedman. They'd be stupid not to.

Hedman also played 200+ more minutes with Dotchin than he did Stralman last year, so Hedman doesn't NEED Stralman to succeed (evidenced by his Norris trophy.)

Karlsson didn't suffer LOL. Get the hell out of here. He "suffered" because Ottawa is terrible, not because of Methot hahahahahaahaha and he STILL put up 62 points last season while "struggling."

Also, Stralman is 31. Can't keep signing all these dudes over 30. **** 'em, he can walk. Lightning with be fine with a top 4 of Karlsson, Hedman, McDonaugh, and Foote.
Jul. 7, 2018 at 10:04 p.m.
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There's no way they acquire Karlsson without losing Sergachev in my opinion, unless they lose Kucherov or Brayden Point. If they acquire Hedman, the top pairing should absolutely be Karlsson-Hedman. They'd be stupid not to.

Hedman also played 200+ more minutes with Dotchin than he did Stralman last year, so Hedman doesn't NEED Stralman to succeed (evidenced by his Norris trophy.)

Karlsson didn't suffer LOL. Get the hell out of here. He "suffered" because Ottawa is terrible, not because of Methot hahahahahaahaha and he STILL put up 62 points last season while "struggling."

Also, Stralman is 31. Can't keep signing all these dudes over 30. **** 'em, he can walk. Lightning with be fine with a top 4 of Karlsson, Hedman, McDonaugh, and Foote.


He suffered in the way that the defensive side of his game got affected. His major flaws on defense were not that obvious while playing with Methot since he was making up for a lot of 'em. Methot understood pretty well how EK played the game so he was a perfect compliment. Don't get me wrong, EK is still an amazing talent and unbelivable game changer, but he's not physical and makes stupid defensive mistakes. His partner must make up for a lot of 'em. McDonagh is more suited for that kind of job, in my honest opinion.

And I think TBL includes Foote Cirelli a first and more. I think they hang on to Sergachev
Jul. 10, 2018 at 11:11 a.m.
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Edited Jul. 10, 2018 at 12:51 p.m.
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So many things wrong with this, dude...it's sad, really.

Kucherov is getting 8 years at 10.5-11M$ AAV garanty.

You're trading Sergachev for a FIFTH ROUND PICK??? I mean...WHAT!!! Lol! It shows your lack of hockey knowledge. NEXT!

How in the hell can Domingue fetch you a 2nd round pick when he was acquire via waiver last season??

T.Johnson isn't a cap dump at all. Why give him away?

Why so many UFA signings of third tier players? TBL are very deep in in-house talent, they'll mostly promote from within (Cirelli, Raddysh, Foote, Katchouk, Sompi, Masin, Stephens).

You still need 3 more players to complete your roster (only 20 players right now) and you're already at the cap...

It needs a lot of work, my friend. It also needs to be carefully thought out, not just pitched-in in a hurry


What was that about Kuch getting more then 9.5? Hmm...
Jul. 10, 2018 at 11:21 a.m.
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What was that about Kuch getting more then 9.5? Hmm...


Russian's usually don't take pay cuts, hahaha! I don't think I'm alone in being very surprise by that contract extension (just look at every single hockey insider/analyst Twitter feed), but I must admit, you were right on the money! Still don't know why you wouldn't give him the 8th year, though???
Jul. 10, 2018 at 12:31 p.m.
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Russian's usually don't take pay cuts, hahaha! I don't think I'm alone in being very surprise by that contract extension (just look at every single hockey insider/analyst Twitter feed), but I must admit, you were right on the money! Still don't know why you wouldn't give him the 8th year, though???


As a gm I definitely would have given it to him, I was just wondering if maybe he would want a year or two shorter to get a new contract after. I honestly wasn’t really too focused on length. It was more cap hit to see if Karlsson and his 11m contract could fit with Kuch on the roster and to see what it would look like. I don’t actually think that’s what the roster would look like it was just to see flexibility
 
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