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Best Top 9 in the League

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Team: 2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 7, 2018
Published: Jul. 8, 2018
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Description
Score more then you let in and you win games
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,000,000
Trades
PHI
  1. Pacioretty, Max
  2. Shaw, Andrew ($1,400,000 retained)
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signs a 6.5X7
MTL
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (PHI)
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (PHI)
Additional Details:
One of Hagg, Myers or Sanheim
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$68,580,000$0$4,537,500$10,920,000
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
$4,137,500$4,137,500
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
$8,250,000$8,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
$4,050,000$4,050,000
LW
UFA - 1
$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
UFA - 4
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$3,975,000$3,975,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
C, RW
UFA - 2
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW
UFA - 2
$962,500$962,500
C, LW
UFA - 1
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
$4,700,000$4,700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
$2,350,000$2,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$2,345,000$2,345,000
RD
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 8, 2018 at 7:09 p.m.
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That being said, I would gladly welcome Leafs vs. Flyers as a first round match-up (Leafs A1 vs. Flyers W2)
Jul. 8, 2018 at 7:43 p.m.
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Quoting: KoneDome
Well I think we settled it. I do think flyers are a decent team. Their offence is good, but I don't think its as good as the leafs, and I think the leaf's have a much higher ceiling as Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, and Johnsson are only going to get better (maybe a lot better), meanwhile, with PHI I think best case scenario Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, etc. have repeats of last year and don't have much room to get better. Also, I would probably call the Defense of the two teams even, but TOR has a far superior goalie for now (Maybe Carter Hart will be as good as most Flyers fans believe he will be).


LOL Im not a Flyers or Leafs fan and I can assure you that the flyer defense is much better then the Leafs.... Provorov, Gostisbehere and prospects like Sanheim, Myers, Hagg etc already better then any defensemen on the leafs excluding Reilly and sometimes Dermott... But you are def right about the goalie situation
Jul. 8, 2018 at 11:22 p.m.
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Not the best top-9 and that's a massive overpayment. I don't really know how hagg, Sanheim, and Myers are valued the same here either. This makes zero sense.
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Jul. 9, 2018 at 1:51 a.m.
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That trade is horrible. I wouldn't do Frost straight up for Pacioretty. I also don't understand how those two would make our top 9 the best in the league.
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Jul. 9, 2018 at 9:19 a.m.
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Hard to argue with Flyers fans. They want to believe their team is one of the best, but every year they miss the playoffs are get eliminated in the playoffs. They'll have their shot in a few years though when people like Ovi, Crosby, Malkin retire


When those guys retire, I wonder if Philly ownership will have to send bailout money to Pittsburgh and Washington again.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 11:03 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Toronto? Their bottom 6 outside of Kadri is nothing special at all. TB is also close but if the Flyers get one more top 6 player, they will have the best top 9 in the league. A third line of Lindblom, Patrick and Simmer is hard to beat.


Lol Kadri is at this point a lot better than Patrick, the kid will be good but he's not a superstar (Not saying Kadri is but he'll be the only 30 goal scoring 3rd line centre in the league) Johnsson will be 50-60 point guy and Kapanen or Brown will be a 20 goal scorer (Brown has already done that)

If you compare the top players between the two teams, the two best at least are both on TO as Tavares and Matthews are in a different level then the rest of the players. Marner and Nylander are close to Giroux and Voracek and then the rest are all just other players. So if you're looking at just pure talent and firepower, TO has 5 guys in their top 9 that all produce elite 5v5 offensive power. (Tavares, Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Kadri) Several of the Flyers are more support guys or in the case of JVR is almost purely a Powerplay guy. He scores 5v5 but doesn't really create his own offence.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 11:08 a.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Lol Kadri is at this point a lot better than Patrick, the kid will be good but he's not a superstar (Not saying Kadri is but he'll be the only 30 goal scoring 3rd line centre in the league) Johnsson will be 50-60 point guy and Kapanen or Brown will be a 20 goal scorer (Brown has already done that)

If you compare the top players between the two teams, the two best at least are both on TO as Tavares and Matthews are in a different level then the rest of the players. Marner and Nylander are close to Giroux and Voracek and then the rest are all just other players. So if you're looking at just pure talent and firepower, TO has 5 guys in their top 9 that all produce elite 5v5 offensive power. (Tavares, Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Kadri) Several of the Flyers are more support guys or in the case of JVR is almost purely a Powerplay guy. He scores 5v5 but doesn't really create his own offence.


The fact that you think Tavares and Matthews are better than Giroux says all I need to know. Also claiming that Johnsson is going to be a 50-60 point guy this year is fking hilarious! He has played a total of 9 NHL games.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 11:16 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The fact that you think Tavares and Matthews are better than Giroux says all I need to know. Also claiming that Johnsson is going to be a 50-60 point guy this year is fking hilarious! He has played a total of 9 NHL games.


I know you're a fan but you can't think Giroux at this stage of his career is better than Tavares or Matthews. He's a good player but he's past 30 and can't play centre anymore. Moving him to wing will keep him elite for a couple extra seasons but his best seasons are behind him. Tavares will be playing with either Nylander or Marner. His best winger so far in his career? Anders Lee? That guy is a 3rd liner that Tavares turned into a 40 goal scorer. What will he do with an elite offensive player like Mitch Marner?

Tavares will have the best 4 years of his career over the next 4 seasons before he is 31 and likely will start moving down into a more of defensive specialist role.

Matthews is the best 5v5 goal scorer in hockey. He's 21 years old and now has Tavares to take a lot of the premier defensive matchups away from Matthews.

The offensive power from Toronto is terrifying. Everyone outside of Philly has Toronto pegged as the cup favourite this year because they have the best top 3 centres in hockey and they are young and going to get better. Much of your core is closing in on 30 or already there. They have a shelf life that is shorter than the Leafs.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 11:27 a.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
I know you're a fan but you can't think Giroux at this stage of his career is better than Tavares or Matthews. He's a good player but he's past 30 and can't play centre anymore. Moving him to wing will keep him elite for a couple extra seasons but his best seasons are behind him. Tavares will be playing with either Nylander or Marner. His best winger so far in his career? Anders Lee? That guy is a 3rd liner that Tavares turned into a 40 goal scorer. What will he do with an elite offensive player like Mitch Marner?

Tavares will have the best 4 years of his career over the next 4 seasons before he is 31 and likely will start moving down into a more of defensive specialist role.

Matthews is the best 5v5 goal scorer in hockey. He's 21 years old and now has Tavares to take a lot of the premier defensive matchups away from Matthews.

The offensive power from Toronto is terrifying. Everyone outside of Philly has Toronto pegged as the cup favourite this year because they have the best top 3 centres in hockey and they are young and going to get better. Much of your core is closing in on 30 or already there. They have a shelf life that is shorter than the Leafs.


LMFAO, Giroux just put up 102 points "at this stage of his career"...who cares if he didn't play C. Does Kane play C, do we devalue what he has done because he is a winger? Let me know when Matthews or Tavares break the 90 point mark, which Giroux has done twice by the way.

Anders Lee just scored 30+ for the second straight year. Sure Tavares has an impact on that but you don't see Zach Hyman (a true 3rd liner) putting up those numbers with a guy like Matthews. Anders Lee is not a 3rd liner!

Also claiming that Tavares will have his best 4 years over the next 4 years is completely opinion.

Your arguments are not based in reality.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 11:38 a.m.
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LMFAO, Giroux just put up 102 points "at this stage of his career"...who cares if he didn't play C. Does Kane play C, do we devalue what he has done because he is a winger? Let me know when Matthews or Tavares break the 90 point mark, which Giroux has done twice by the way.

Anders Lee just scored 30+ for the second straight year. Sure Tavares has an impact on that but you don't see Zach Hyman (a true 3rd liner) putting up those numbers with a guy like Matthews. Anders Lee is not a 3rd liner!

Also claiming that Tavares will have his best 4 years over the next 4 years is completely opinion.

Your arguments are not based in reality.


Its not devaluing what he's done, Giroux is a great player and star in this league. What I'm saying is if we look ahead, TO is younger, faster and more talented since their core star players (Minus Tavares) are all 22 and under. They are elite now and will only get better, will Giroux improve in his 30's? Is Nolan Patrick a superstar or is he a great secondary guy that will be valuable but not your centrepiece? Philly is a decent team, they will make the playoffs and I think they could finish as high as second in their division. I peg them as better than Columbus and Washington and behind Pittsburgh.

With that being said, I also put them behind the 3 headed monster in the Atlantic, TO is insane deep upfront, they could easily have 2 50 goal scorers if certain people stay healthy. Tampa is going to be dominant again this year and could be even better if they get Karlsson and Boston is likely as good as they were last year, and likely a tad better since their depth guys are also young.

Don't take my comments as a slight against Philly, they are one of the better teams in the east but they are a step below the elite squads.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:11 p.m.
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When those guys retire, I wonder if Philly ownership will have to send bailout money to Pittsburgh and Washington again.


Isn't it sad that even a team that went bankrupt won the cup multiple times and the flyers haven't won anything?
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:14 p.m.
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Isn't it sad that even a team that went bankrupt won the cup multiple times and the flyers haven't won anything?


No what is sad is that it took a whole bunch of top 2 overall picks for your team to be relevant again. The Flyers have always been relevant and didn't need to finish last or near last in the league for 1/2 a decade to be able to get to finals.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:18 p.m.
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No what is sad is that it took a whole bunch of top 2 overall picks for your team to be relevant again. The Flyers have always been relevant and didn't need to finish last or near last in the league for 1/2 a decade to be able to get to finals.


Is that an insult? Cause the pens did everything right. They landed Crosby and Malkin and now perennial contenders. Flyers haven't really been relevant tbh. Unless you call first round exits, missing playoffs, and throwing bracelets on the ice relevant. Its funny how all teams tank, but yet people only think the penguins did.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:23 p.m.
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Is that an insult? Cause the pens did everything right. They landed Crosby and Malkin and now perennial contenders. Flyers haven't really been relevant tbh. Unless you call first round exits, missing playoffs, and throwing bracelets on the ice relevant. Its funny how all teams tank, but yet people only think the penguins did.


I only think the Penguins did? Now you know what I am thinking? Like I said, the Flyers didn't have to be a pile of dogsh*t to be able to be relevant.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:24 p.m.
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Isn't it sad that even a team that went bankrupt won the cup multiple times and the flyers haven't won anything?


Like I said before, let's wait and see what happens during the next bankruptcy after the Crosby era.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:26 p.m.
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Is that an insult? Cause the pens did everything right. They landed Crosby and Malkin and now perennial contenders. Flyers haven't really been relevant tbh. Unless you call first round exits, missing playoffs, and throwing bracelets on the ice relevant. Its funny how all teams tank, but yet people only think the penguins did.


The Penguins didn't just tank. They got the pity lottery ball post lockout to get Crosby.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:27 p.m.
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The Penguins didn't just tank. They got the pity lottery ball post lockout to get Crosby.


Someone had to get that pick.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:28 p.m.
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I only think the Penguins did? Now you know what I am thinking? Like I said, the Flyers didn't have to be a pile of dogsh*t to be able to be relevant.


Did I specifically say you? I said people. You wouldn't be crying this much if the flyers had crosby or malkin
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:29 p.m.
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Like I said before, let's wait and see what happens during the next bankruptcy after the Crosby era.


Ive still witnessed multiple cups in my life. Thats something other fan bases can not say
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:30 p.m.
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Did I specifically say you? I said people. You wouldn't be crying this much if the flyers had crosby or malkin


LOL the Flyers are never bad enough to get a bunch of top picks.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:31 p.m.
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LOL the Flyers are never bad enough to get a bunch of top picks.


And they aren't good enough to be contenders either
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:32 p.m.
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And they aren't good enough to be contenders either


They will be very soon.
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:33 p.m.
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They will be very soon.


Not until Crosby and Malkin retire. As long as you fans keep booing him for some idiotic reason, he's going to keep owning philly. The fans do him a huge favor when they boo him. He puts it into an extra gear
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:47 p.m.
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Not until Crosby and Malkin retire. As long as you fans keep booing him for some idiotic reason, he's going to keep owning philly. The fans do him a huge favor when they boo him. He puts it into an extra gear


tears of joy

So your argument is that we won't beat you because our fans boo Crosby...brilliant!
Jul. 9, 2018 at 12:52 p.m.
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tears of joy

So your argument is that we won't beat you because our fans boo Crosby...brilliant!


Nope. My argument is as long as the pens have Crosby and Malkin, they will have a better team. Just pointing out the fact that its idiotic when the fans boo crosby. You dont think he wants to go out there and shut those fans up when he hears that?
 
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