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Sharks future w/ seguin?

Created by: slepler
Team: 2019-20 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 12, 2018
Published: Jul. 12, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
As a follow up to my last team, sharks land seguin for tierney, labanc, karlsson, Norris (2017 1st), 2019 2nd and 2020 1st.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,000,000
2$1,000,000
1$800,000
2$800,000
2$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$11,000,000
1$1,000,000
4$7,000,000
2$2,200,000
2$900,000
Trades
1.
SJS
    Tyler Seguin (at the 2018-19 trade deadline)
    DAL
    1. Karlsson, Melker
    2. 2020 1st round pick (SJS)
    Additional Details:
    Labanc
    Tierney
    John Norris (2017 1st)
    2019 2nd
    2.
    SJS
    1. 2019 3rd round pick (CAR)
    CAR
    1. Dell, Aaron
    Additional Details:
    Trade occurs at the 2019 draft.
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2020
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    Logo of the OTT
    2021
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the SJS
    2022
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    2019
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$82,500,000$78,135,751$660,750$265,000$4,364,249
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    $11,000,000$11,000,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 8
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 4
    $5,625,000$5,625,000
    C
    UFA - 3
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 8
    $2,200,000$2,200,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
    $759,167$759,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    $800,000$800,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    $900,000$900,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    $800,000$800,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    $759,167$759,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LD/RD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    $5,280,000$5,280,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    $5,750,000$5,750,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    $1,635,000$1,635,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $3,800,000$3,800,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    $675,000$675,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $900,000$900,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    $675,000$675,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1

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    Jul. 12, 2018 at 4:07 a.m.
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    Question, why would Carolina want Dell? Mrazek and Darling are good enough until Ned is ready
    Jul. 12, 2018 at 4:14 a.m.
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    Mrazek is UFA next year. This is for the 2019-20 year. If mrazek walks as a UFA, and darling stumbles, the canes will need a goalie.

    Of course, in truth, the trade doesnt have to be with the canes. Any team in need of a goalie next summer would do the trick.
    Jul. 12, 2018 at 10:59 a.m.
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    So Dallas is supposed to give up their #1 C for depth forwards and a couple of picks? I don't see that happening.
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    Jul. 12, 2018 at 11:05 a.m.
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    So Dallas is supposed to give up their #1 C for depth forwards and a couple of picks? I don't see that happening.


    This was my thought, and assuming Dallas is contending at that time of year, why sell their top center?
    Jul. 12, 2018 at 1:50 p.m.
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    It's natural to think that because the Sharks missed out on John Tavares they will make a push for Seguin. It's a good idea, but I think he is a lot more likely to stay than leave. Tavares left the Islanders because he team was bad, and he could go home and play for his favorite team.

    Conversely, Seguin loves Dallas. He likes being out of the spotlight, playing on a relatively good team, and not state income tax. I would be shocked if he left, and if he does, there are a number of teams that would want him.

    And with that being said, he will likely get more than $11.000 mil. Tavares turned down money to go to Toronto. Seguin could make like $12.000 or $12.500 mil easy compared to what it sounded like Tavares left on the table.

    And the trade for him around the deadline likely doesn't get it done. I think it's a good start, but I don't think you trade a legit #1 center, a top 10 center in the league, for an at best 2C, a middle-six winger, a center prospect who will probable be a second liner, a second round pick, and a good fourth liner.

    Make the second a first. Add a third. Add a roster defenseman (Heed, Ryan, DeMelo depending on how this year plays out for them). That probably does the deal. Maybe you can scale back Norris to a Gambrell type prospect. Or instead scale Labanc back to Balcers or something. No matter what, a little bit more is needed.

    Remember the Stars traded a top line winger, a good winger, a prospect, and a good defensive prospect for Seguin, a third liner, and an AHLer. And that was before Seguin had a 30 goal season or 70 point season.
    Jul. 12, 2018 at 7:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: roguegator
    So Dallas is supposed to give up their #1 C for depth forwards and a couple of picks? I don't see that happening.


    If Dallas is contending, seguin will not be available. All of this is contingent on what I wrote in the description section. of my previous team: namely, Dallas has a terrible year next year playing in a much improved and very tough division. WIN and NAS will still be strong. STL looks to have improved alot. Minny will still be challenging, and the avs continue thier youth-driven advance. Dallas is gunna have a tough time competitng there and if they fall out of contention by deadline day, and Seguin has not resigned, the landscape is very different. Who wants to stay on a non-PO team which doesnt look all that likely to improve for 8 years? And dallas, at that point, cannot afford to risk losing seguin for nothing. And, if dallas sucks and must move him at the deadline, he wont do it to their own division. Also 1/2 the teams in the league are out as non-PO teams. And another large group are out because they dont have the room to resign him long term and noone is gunna pony up massively on a rental. That leaves the sharks and only a few other clubs...

    This whole scenario is contingent on dallas sucking. And as for the price, I think dougie would be just fine throwing in any defenseman not named burns/vlasic, or any forward not named Kane, Hertl, Meier, or couture. or of course a goalie not named Jones. Any prospect is on the table. Any other forward. Any pick. Clearly, dougie was willing to go the mat to add a top line C in tavares, and he'd do the same for seguin.
    Jul. 12, 2018 at 7:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: mothariah
    It's natural to think that because the Sharks missed out on John Tavares they will make a push for Seguin. It's a good idea, but I think he is a lot more likely to stay than leave. Tavares left the Islanders because he team was bad, and he could go home and play for his favorite team.

    Conversely, Seguin loves Dallas. He likes being out of the spotlight, playing on a relatively good team, and not state income tax. I would be shocked if he left, and if he does, there are a number of teams that would want him.

    And with that being said, he will likely get more than $11.000 mil. Tavares turned down money to go to Toronto. Seguin could make like $12.000 or $12.500 mil easy compared to what it sounded like Tavares left on the table.

    And the trade for him around the deadline likely doesn't get it done. I think it's a good start, but I don't think you trade a legit #1 center, a top 10 center in the league, for an at best 2C, a middle-six winger, a center prospect who will probable be a second liner, a second round pick, and a good fourth liner.

    Make the second a first. Add a third. Add a roster defenseman (Heed, Ryan, DeMelo depending on how this year plays out for them). That probably does the deal. Maybe you can scale back Norris to a Gambrell type prospect. Or instead scale Labanc back to Balcers or something. No matter what, a little bit more is needed.

    Remember the Stars traded a top line winger, a good winger, a prospect, and a good defensive prospect for Seguin, a third liner, and an AHLer. And that was before Seguin had a 30 goal season or 70 point season.


    Good post!

    At the time of the dal-bos trade, seguin was just a kid, which means:
    1. hes very cheap (as opposed to next year where he'll be deep in 8 figures).
    2. Boston did not HAVE to move him (as opposed to dallas at the deadline if they suck and he's not resigned yet. too risky to repeat a tavares...)
    3. Seguin did already have a pretty strong season: he had a 29g, 67 pt +34 season. He was already pretty studly, and in truth, I think dallas thought hed be closer to 90-100 pt player when they got him. I actually think his 70-80 pts is lower than dallas had expected or hoped for.

    And as for the price you mentioned, dougie would do it. hed add the 3rd. Hed give up the 2020 1st (the 2019 one is already gone). Hed happily throw in demelo or even ryan (who looks like a legit Dman). Heed is a to-be-ufa so dallas wouldnt want him. Hed happily throw in half the farm to add a seguin at age 27 for a decade.
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    Jul. 13, 2018 at 4:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: slepler
    Good post!

    At the time of the dal-bos trade, seguin was just a kid, which means:
    1. hes very cheap (as opposed to next year where he'll be deep in 8 figures).
    2. Boston did not HAVE to move him (as opposed to dallas at the deadline if they suck and he's not resigned yet. too risky to repeat a tavares...)
    3. Seguin did already have a pretty strong season: he had a 29g, 67 pt +34 season. He was already pretty studly, and in truth, I think dallas thought hed be closer to 90-100 pt player when they got him. I actually think his 70-80 pts is lower than dallas had expected or hoped for.

    And as for the price you mentioned, dougie would do it. hed add the 3rd. Hed give up the 2020 1st (the 2019 one is already gone). Hed happily throw in demelo or even ryan (who looks like a legit Dman). Heed is a to-be-ufa so dallas wouldnt want him. Hed happily throw in half the farm to add a seguin at age 27 for a decade.


    I agree. I think Dallas isn't trading him though. DW would certainly do that deal, and would certainly pony up the money for him.
     
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