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Screwin' Around - Trades w/ NSH, ARI

Created by: DirtyDangles
Team: 2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 12, 2018
Published: Jul. 12, 2018
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Description
NSH decides it's Jusse time.

ARI needs a RWer and have crazy depth at C.

Flyers resign Rinne for 2 years to mentor Hart.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,350,000
Trades
1.
NSH
  1. Elliott, Brian
  2. Rubtsov, German
  3. 2019 1st round pick (PHI)
  4. 2019 3rd round pick (NJD)
2.
PHI
  1. 2019 5th round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Neuvirth, Michal ($1,250,000 retained)
3.
ARI
  1. Simmonds, Wayne
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (PHI)
Buyouts
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$64,724,166$0$7,120,000$14,775,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$4,137,500$4,137,500
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
UFA - 4
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
C, RW
UFA - 2
$8,250,000$8,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$2,475,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
$2,350,000$2,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$962,500$962,500
C, LW
UFA - 1
$680,833$680,833 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
RW
UFA - 1
$4,700,000$4,700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
$2,350,000$2,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
$7,000,000$7,000,000
G
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$2,345,000$2,345,000
RD
UFA - 2
$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
UFA - 2
$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Jul. 12, 2018 at 8:54 a.m.
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Most of your Flyers trades on here include Rubtsov. Which I'd say he's your worst - best prospect (if that make sense) lol

Anyways, I usually disagree with the value you put on him. However this time, I think the trade is more than fair and the idea is good. Rinne gets you competitive until Hart is ready to go in a couple years.

I like the under 2 as well.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 9:31 a.m.
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Quoting: ThatGuy
Most of your Flyers trades on here include Rubtsov. Which I'd say he's your worst - best prospect (if that make sense) lol

Anyways, I usually disagree with the value you put on him. However this time, I think the trade is more than fair and the idea is good. Rinne gets you competitive until Hart is ready to go in a couple years.

I like the under 2 as well.


I think people under-estimate Rubstov. Ya he didn't have a fantastic offensive year but the kid is a stud defensively. I still think Hextall projects him as a 3rd liner.
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Jul. 12, 2018 at 11:01 a.m.
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I think people under-estimate Rubstov. Ya he didn't have a fantastic offensive year but the kid is a stud defensively. I still think Hextall projects him as a 3rd liner.


He likely has a 3rd line ceiling. He looks like a safe bet 4th line center defensive specialist.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 11:35 a.m.
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Not a huge fan of Strome. I think he may be a bust. Good talent, but a little vapid in the D zone. But love the move with Rinne.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 11:37 a.m.
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Not a huge fan of Strome. I think he may be a bust. Good talent, but a little vapid in the D zone. But love the move with Rinne.


I think Strome hasn't come close to his potential. Stick him with Lindblom and another good 2 way guy and I think he will be more than fine!
Jul. 12, 2018 at 2:38 p.m.
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that Rinne trade is gross. Better served using those assets elsewhere instead of on a goalie rental? it just makes zero sense.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 2:45 p.m.
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that Rinne trade is gross. Better served using those assets elsewhere instead of on a goalie rental? it just makes zero sense.


Do you struggle to read? If you read the description I saw that we will resign him for 2 more years to mentor Hart. Maybe if you can't take the time to read 3 sentences in the description, you should refrain from commenting. Just a thought.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 2:47 p.m.
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Hefty price to pay for a goaltender rental that doesn't make us cup contenders. Also not sure why we are getting Dylan Strome when we have Morgan Frost that will take his place in a couple of years.

edit: not a huge fan of resigning him...he will want more AAV than I would want to offer him.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 2:50 p.m.
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Hefty price to pay for a goaltender rental that doesn't make us cup contenders. Also not sure why we are getting Dylan Strome when we have Morgan Frost that will take his place in a couple of years.

edit: not a huge fan of resigning him...he will want more AAV than I would want to offer him.


How about a Lindblom/Strome/Frost line? Or move Strome to the wing and have Frost at C? As for Rinne, we can afford him...I doubt he will want $7 mil on his next deal. And yes Rinne could make us a contender right away.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 2:55 p.m.
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How about a Lindblom/Strome/Frost line? Or move Strome to the wing and have Frost at C? As for Rinne, we can afford him...I doubt he will want $7 mil on his next deal. And yes Rinne could make us a contender right away.


Yeah not a huge fan of that line. Dylan Strome's potential isn't anything more than basically whatever Sam Bennett is imo. The kid has a ton of flaws. I would rather have someone like Wade Allison or Tanner Laczynski over Dylan Strome on the third line.

This lineup probably doesn't beat 3-4 teams in the East right now. Teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Washington, and Boston probably have the upper hand versus us in the playoffs.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 2:58 p.m.
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Yeah not a huge fan of that line. Dylan Strome's potential isn't anything more than basically whatever Sam Bennett is imo. The kid has a ton of flaws. I would rather have someone like Wade Allison or Tanner Laczynski over Dylan Strome on the third line.

This lineup probably doesn't beat 3-4 teams in the East right now. Teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Washington, and Boston probably have the upper hand versus us in the playoffs.


Saying that Strome basically has no potential at this point is asinine! He was a PPG player last year in the AHL. The kid has a ton of skill and just needs to translate it to the NHL level.

Sure any team could beat us in the playoffs or Rinne does what he can do and we can beat any of those teams. Saying we wouldn't challenge those teams is just a dumb statement.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:00 p.m.
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Too much for a 35 soon to be 36 yr old goalie w/ little playoff success aside from the 2016 cup run.
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Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:00 p.m.
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Do you struggle to read? If you read the description I saw that we will resign him for 2 more years to mentor Hart. Maybe if you can't take the time to read 3 sentences in the description, you should refrain from commenting. Just a thought.


Rinne is overrated. And you pay more for him than any goaltender has fetched in recent memory at age what 37? And then extend him? Hard pass. The Simmonds deal is nice and I'd take that but idk if ARZ would. Neuvy and WPG would be a good match but I'm not sure what teams value him. The other deals are reasonable but the Rinne one is not imo. That's just a gross overpay for nothing special.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:02 p.m.
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Saying that Strome basically has no potential at this point is asinine! He was a PPG player last year in the AHL. The kid has a ton of skill and just needs to translate it to the NHL level.


I don't take too much stock in points per game at non-NHL levels. Jordan Weal had .93 PPG over two years when he was 22 and 23 years old. He struggles to make a depleted Arizona roster and isn't the best at skating, among other things. Realistically, he has very limited upside to turn himself into a top-six caliber forward. If you want to move Simmonds, I would rather move him for someone like Andreas Johnsson in Toronto.

Like I said, I would rather have someone like Morgan Frost, Wade Allison, Tanner Lacyznski, or even guys like Jay O'Brien or Joel Farabee get looks before Dylan Strome.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:11 p.m.
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Rinne is overrated. And you pay more for him than any goaltender has fetched in recent memory at age what 37? And then extend him? Hard pass. The Simmonds deal is nice and I'd take that but idk if ARZ would. Neuvy and WPG would be a good match but I'm not sure what teams value him. The other deals are reasonable but the Rinne one is not imo. That's just a gross overpay for nothing special.


Ummm...
https://www.nhl.com/news/connor-hellebuyck-pekka-rinne-andrei-vasilevskiy-named-vezina-trophy-finalists/c-298062362

And guess what, he won!

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I don't take too much stock in points per game at non-NHL levels. Jordan Weal had .93 PPG over two years when he was 22 and 23 years old. He struggles to make a depleted Arizona roster and isn't the best at skating, among other things. Realistically, he has very limited upside to turn himself into a top-six caliber forward. If you want to move Simmonds, I would rather move him for someone like Andreas Johnsson in Toronto.

Like I said, I would rather have someone like Morgan Frost, Wade Allison, Tanner Lacyznski, or even guys like Jay O'Brien or Joel Farabee get looks before Dylan Strome.


LMFAO, the kid just turned 21 and it was his 1st pro season. If you think you can determine a players potential or lack there of then I'm sorry but you just aren't using common sense.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:20 p.m.
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Too much for a 35 soon to be 36 yr old goalie w/ little playoff success aside from the 2016 cup run.


Probably an overpay but who cares, remove a pick or something. You guys get way too hung up on what YOU believe is the exact perfect value for players.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:20 p.m.
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LMFAO, the kid just turned 21 and it was his 1st pro season. If you think you can determine a players potential or lack there of then I'm sorry but you just aren't using common sense.


Just saying man, I don't think his potential is better than those guys I listed. Would rather give that spot to one of Morgan Frost, Joel Farabee, Wade Allison, Jay O'Brien, or Tanner Lacyznski.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Ummm...
https://www.nhl.com/news/connor-hellebuyck-pekka-rinne-andrei-vasilevskiy-named-vezina-trophy-finalists/c-298062362



LMFAO, the kid just turned 21 and it was his 1st pro season. If you think you can determine a players potential or lack there of then I'm sorry but you just aren't using common sense.


did you post a Vezina article to back up your argument that he's good lol? If anything that proves he's overrated. Bob and Gibson are both better. And i believe when I offered Rubtsov/1st/2nd for Nino that was "way too much for a player like that" in your words. But you'll spend the same thing on a goalie who is over a decade older, declining, and overrated? I just don't get you sometimes. Your comments and values are just sporadic.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:21 p.m.
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Probably an overpay but who cares, remove a pick or something. You guys get way too hung up on what YOU believe is the exact perfect value for players.


we should go back through the posting history and look at what is considered all of "us" getting worked up vs you getting worked up..
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
Just saying man, I don't think his potential is better than those guys I listed. Would rather give that spot to one of Morgan Frost, Joel Farabee, Wade Allison, Jay O'Brien, or Tanner Lacyznski.


Farabee is not ready, O'Brien won't be ready for 3 years minimum, Allison maybe next year but his potential is not what Strome's is. Just FYI, Strome put up 7 points in 8 games at the end of the year with the Coyotes.
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did you post a Vezina article to back up your argument that he's good lol? If anything that proves he's overrated. Bob and Gibson are both better. And i believe when I offered Rubtsov/1st/2nd for Nino that was "way too much for a player like that" in your words. But you'll spend the same thing on a goalie who is over a decade older, declining, and overrated? I just don't get you sometimes. Your comments and values are just sporadic.


http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123014 So tell me how Nino has produced anything more than a middle 6 winger in his career. Also, please elaborate as to how Rinne is over-rated...https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-10-nhl-seasons-goalies-stats.html
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:27 p.m.
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Farabee is not ready, O'Brien won't be ready for 3 years minimum, Allison maybe next year but his potential is not what Strome's is. Just FYI, Strome put up 7 points in 8 games at the end of the year with the Coyotes.


I don't need them to be ready until a couple of years down the line. With Morgan Frost coming up in the next two years or so and Mikhail Yorobyov in the same timeline, I just don't see the need for him, which was my original point.
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I don't need them to be ready until a couple of years down the line. With Morgan Frost coming up in the next two years or so and Mikhail Yorobyov in the same timeline, I just don't see the need for him, which was my original point.


You add NHL ready skill. That is the point! If he ends up being what he was supposed to be or even 80% of what he was supposed to be then we have a 1-3C that can rival the Leafs.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:34 p.m.
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You add NHL ready skill. That is the point! If he ends up being what he was supposed to be or even 80% of what he was supposed to be then we have a 1-3C that can rival the Leafs.


I think we just have different views on what the team state is. I don't have any issue with waiting a year or two to have the center depth of Couturier, Patrick, Frost, and Vorobyov. Like I said, would rather give that slot to Frost over Strome.
Jul. 12, 2018 at 3:38 p.m.
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I think we just have different views on what the team state is. I don't have any issue with waiting a year or two to have the center depth of Couturier, Patrick, Frost, and Vorobyov. Like I said, would rather give that slot to Frost over Strome.


Or how about we give that slot to the better player? If Frost is the better player then fine move Strome to the wing or Strome could easily be the better player then he takes that spot.
 
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