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Gardiner extension, 3 rfa's bridged.

Created by: Goulet
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 16, 2018
Published: Jul. 17, 2018
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Following the TB model...
I don't believe management will jettison Marleau or Zaitsev. Those players have value and will be important pieces over the next few years. Marleau's deal was a calculated move from management that forces the kids to take bridge deals and allows the team significant cap flexibility in the early years of Tavares' deal.
Add 2.5M roughly each year for the cap to increase, get the key defensemen signed, add some local free agents and we have the makings of a true dynasty.
I don't believe this is a Cup winning roster unless the youth really takes a significant jump forward. Having 6-9M in cap space means other pieces can be added to strengthen the weak areas.
Free Agent Signings
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3$2,200,000
3$2,200,000
3$2,200,000
3$700,000
3$1,200,000
3$4,000,000
3$4,000,000
3$5,000,000
2$700,000
2$700,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$5,500,000
2$700,000
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$67,563,333$0$0$11,936,667
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$700,000$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
$2,200,000$2,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
UFA - 5
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW
UFA - 5
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$2,200,000$2,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$700,000$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,200,000$1,200,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 4
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
$2,200,000$2,200,000
RD
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:42 p.m.
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Matthews at 5 mill per season on bridge? Come on that's not even close to a possibility. Won't even start on the others.

What's the TB model you're talking about? Hometown discounts? Because that doesn't apply in a market like Toronto where the income taxes are among the worst in the league.
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Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:43 p.m.
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How is it in the land of make believe? I've heard it's nice this time of year.
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Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:45 p.m.
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Why would you bridge them then fail to use the extra ~6.5 million in cap space?
Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:50 p.m.
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Ridiculous bridges, all that just sign to Gardiner.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Goldendelicious
Matthews at 5 mill per season on bridge? Come on that's not even close to a possibility. Won't even start on the others.

What's the TB model you're talking about? Hometown discounts? Because that doesn't apply in a market like Toronto where the income taxes are among the worst in the league.


Everyone is so focused on money. Does no one here play hockey to win?

TB bridged Kucherov, Stamkos left money on the table, as did Hedman, and they did it to play on a winner.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:54 p.m.
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Why would you bridge them then fail to use the extra ~6.5 million in cap space?


Just to show the possibility. No wild trades here, just potential.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:55 p.m.
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Ridiculous bridges, all that just sign to Gardiner.


Not to sign Gardiner. They need help on the backend and letting your best D walk doesn't make sense.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 2:57 p.m.
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Quoting: wojme
How is it in the land of make believe? I've heard it's nice this time of year.


Quite lovely actually. You guys all forget that every time you throw one of these together it is in the land of make believe. It's easy trade away what you think won't fit but it's something else entirely to look at options that work outside of inflated salaries.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Goldendelicious
Matthews at 5 mill per season on bridge? Come on that's not even close to a possibility. Won't even start on the others.

What's the TB model you're talking about? Hometown discounts? Because that doesn't apply in a market like Toronto where the income taxes are among the worst in the league.


Didn't Tavares take a hometown discount? What about Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly, Brown, Hyman, Zaitsev...all signed to value deals.

A few mill is a few mill. Having a legacy of winning is worth a hell of a lot more than that.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:02 p.m.
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Their bridge deals will still be expensive. Toronto won’t get any of them for less than 6 mill avg
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:04 p.m.
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Their bridge deals will still be expensive. Toronto won’t get any of them for less than 6 mill avg


They could have Nylander presumably at 6M x 7 just like Ehlers.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:15 p.m.
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Not even talking about money...Why would Toronto even do these terms. Wouldn't this make them UFA's in 4 years?
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Goulet
Didn't Tavares take a hometown discount? What about Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly, Brown, Hyman, Zaitsev...all signed to value deals.

A few mill is a few mill. Having a legacy of winning is worth a hell of a lot more than that.


Tavares reportedly was offered 13 mill. How true that is we don't know. But 13->11mill is a much less significant gap than 11.5->4mill. The other players you mentioned are paid what they earned, when they signed those deals, I would not call them value.

These guys are in their prime trying to make as money as possible as their opportunity for prime dollars is minimal and affects the rest of their life. So the money is pretty important and while yes I'm sure they want to win, they also want to ensure their security throughout their retirement.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:20 p.m.
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Not even talking about money...Why would Toronto even do these terms. Wouldn't this make them UFA's in 4 years?


The 3 year bridge leaves them as rfa's, just like Kucherov was. Give them 8 year deals after the bridge and have them for 11 years, their entire prime years, rather than having them become ufas in their late 20's.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:23 p.m.
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Tavares reportedly was offered 13 mill. How true that is we don't know. But 13->11mill is a much less significant gap than 11.5->4mill. The other players you mentioned are paid what they earned, when they signed those deals, I would not call them value.

These guys are in their prime trying to make as money as possible as their opportunity for prime dollars is minimal and affects the rest of their life. So the money is pretty important and while yes I'm sure they want to win, they also want to ensure their security throughout their retirement.


If the options are 3 year bridge, then 8 year extensions, or 8 years now, which has them guaranteed to make more?
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:31 p.m.
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If the options are 3 year bridge, then 8 year extensions, or 8 years now, which has them guaranteed to make more?


No team would or could guarantee a 3 year then an 8 year term with ANY player. This is the same nonsense as the sign a UFA for 1 year max then long term 8 year deal for cheap (I wish Seravalli never mentioned this idiotic idea). The NHL works on a what have done for me recently basis. Go out and blow a knee. Get a back injury. Get a concussion. The potential pit falls from injuries like that are why players take security earlier rather than later on.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Goldendelicious
No team would or could guarantee a 3 year then an 8 year term with ANY player. This is the same nonsense as the sign a UFA for 1 year max then long term 8 year deal for cheap (I wish Seravalli never mentioned this idiotic idea). The NHL works on a what have done for me recently basis. Go out and blow a knee. Get a back injury. Get a concussion. The potential pit falls from injuries like that are why players take security earlier rather than later on.


I didn't say guarantee. I mentioned the TB model, and Kucherov. 11 years of control rather than 8. That works for the player as well because it means more salary and security.

I don't know what Seravalli said..
Jul. 17, 2018 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Goldendelicious
No team would or could guarantee a 3 year then an 8 year term with ANY player. This is the same nonsense as the sign a UFA for 1 year max then long term 8 year deal for cheap (I wish Seravalli never mentioned this idiotic idea). The NHL works on a what have done for me recently basis. Go out and blow a knee. Get a back injury. Get a concussion. The potential pit falls from injuries like that are why players take security earlier rather than later on.


99% of the people that comment on this site assume the players point of view, but they do it solely from a greed and fear perspective.

The Leafs simply don't have the cap space to offer the kind of dollars the same 99% seem to think our players will get.

2 straight 1st round exits. Dubas seems to be a winner and winners understand that you can't cross your fingers and hope. You have to do everything in your power to give the team what is needed to win.

And paying Matthews 11M is simply not something a winner would do. Nor can they afford it.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 5:56 p.m.
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Bobby Orr said it best.

"John is a great hockey player," Orr said. "Auston is a very good hockey player. They're going to be great teammates.

Hockey people understand the value of proving yourself in the league over 9 years versus 150 games. Leaf fans don't.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 6:25 p.m.
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Sorry those offers are is nuts. Players can sign offer sheets for 8m a year for 5 years and it only costs first, second and third. And you think you can Nylander and Marner at 4m, and Matthews at 5m?
A dozen teams would put in offer sheets for 7 to 8m per year.
Jul. 17, 2018 at 11:08 p.m.
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Sorry those offers are is nuts. Players can sign offer sheets for 8m a year for 5 years and it only costs first, second and third. And you think you can Nylander and Marner at 4m, and Matthews at 5m?
A dozen teams would put in offer sheets for 7 to 8m per year.


There have been 3 signed offer sheets since 2010.
Jul. 18, 2018 at 6:54 p.m.
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There have been 3 signed offer sheets since 2010.


Yep, but no team has low balled three players 3m and more each . teams could even just over 8m and it would cost just 1, 2, and 3 round picks. sorry goulet this post of your was poor. it's a mulligan, cause I read your posts and you're pretty fair in your comments
Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:11 p.m.
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Yep, but no team has low balled three players 3m and more each . teams could even just over 8m and it would cost just 1, 2, and 3 round picks. sorry goulet this post of your was poor. it's a mulligan, cause I read your posts and you're pretty fair in your comments


I come at things from an alternate perspective because let's face it, the Leaf threads all say the same thing with regard to the big 3.

There are always cases of bridge deals league wide. Stone and Trouba both just finished theirs, Kucherov has a year left and I believe Giroux had one as well.
If there was ever a player to offer sheet it's Trouba who has his arbitration hearing tomorrow. The team offered 4M, he asked for 7M. The lowballing happens all the time.

Somewhere between my lowballing and everyone else's highballing, their numbers will fall.
Jul. 19, 2018 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Goulet
I come at things from an alternate perspective because let's face it, the Leaf threads all say the same thing with regard to the big 3.

There are always cases of bridge deals league wide. Stone and Trouba both just finished theirs, Kucherov has a year left and I believe Giroux had one as well.
If there was ever a player to offer sheet it's Trouba who has his arbitration hearing tomorrow. The team offered 4M, he asked for 7M. The lowballing happens all the time.

Somewhere between my lowballing and everyone else's highballing, their numbers will fall.


iit's obvious trouba wants out of winnipeg or least wants to be a ufa in 2020. just my opinion there is no way he would ever sign an offer sheet, the fear is the Jets would match. it's really one reason why there have been so many signed offer sheets. players are afraid they would be matched.
 
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