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MTL would probably have to offer Patches + to get Kaprizov....

Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:01 a.m.

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Quoting: JayBeagleFanAccount

MTL would probably have to offer Patches + to get Kaprizov....

Lets wait to see what Kaprizov does at the NHL level before crowning him the next Ovechkin please....

Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:10 a.m.

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Lets wait to see what Kaprizov does at the NHL level before crowning him the next Ovechkin please....

yea hense why i think Patches has more value right now. But its really hard to tell at this point given we have never seen him play an NHL Game

Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:12 a.m.

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I think u might have gotten to much for max but its ok

Maybe, but It is hard to predict how go he is or if he will even come. hense why I think a 2020 1st should be add. But if Kaprizov is having a good KHL season again, I would downgrade that 1st 100%

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Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:15 a.m.

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Trading Plekanec after signing him as UFA is a bad look.

EDIT - didn't read the explanation, my bad.... Continue.

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Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:17 a.m.

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Lets wait to see what Kaprizov does at the NHL level before crowning him the next Ovechkin please....

I'm not crowing him as the next Ovi however I do think Kaprizov will be a better player than Patches.

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I'm not crowing him as the next Ovi however I do think Kaprizov will be a better player than Patches.

Based off what?

Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:47 a.m.

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yea hense why i think Patches has more value right now. But its really hard to tell at this point given we have never seen him play an NHL Game

He could very well be one day. But he hasn't done jack in the NHL yet and he's being hailed as the second coming, by many. All Im saying is lets see how he pans out first. IMO Doubt he ever scores 30 goals in a season in his career. That may not mean much either but Pacioretty did 5 times and is still young enough to do it another 5 times.....

Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:56 a.m.

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Based off what?

Watching him play, he was unreal in the Olympics and in the WC. He was almost PPG on CSKA this season. His hockey IQ is next level and his stick handling and play making is very good as well. He's not afraid to use the body or get in the corners if necessary. His only downside is that he's stuck in the KHL. He was only 2nd in points in the KHL as an 18 year old (behind Kuznetsov). He also captained Russia's WJC team in 16-17.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 11:57 a.m.

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and that's why I think it's a fair deal. MTL is trading a proven commodity for a unproven commodity.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:02 p.m.

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I think u might have gotten to much for max but its ok

I think you have it right it might be a little too much but still might be possible 3 stars

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:03 p.m.

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I think we really need to pump the breaks with him. Yes he was really good at the World jrs but the Olympics is nothing really. Do you know who also had a really good Oympics....Linus Omark, Derek Roy, and a bunch of random players. The KHL is nothing close to the NHL(example Vladimr Shipnovov guy that went to Vegas). He couldn't even make the expansion team when he was one of the best players in the KHL the prior season.

yea sure, he could be the next great goal scorer but he also could be Maxim Afinogenov.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:04 p.m.

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So he's a lock to be worth more than a Pacioretty, whose a 5 time 30+ goal scorer and top 10 in the NHL in goal scoring the past 7 years combined?

Yeah I watched Kaprizov too but there have been a lot of other players to talk the talk and not be able to walk the walk in the NHL. I'll reserve judgement on this kid till I see him prove it. Frankly if he is stuck in the KHL for another two years, that contributes to his lack of value. Minny is losing the out on prime years of Kaprizov's career.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:12 p.m.

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People made this exact argument with Kuznetsov too and now he's an elite center in the NHL. I'm very high on Kaprizov but I may be wrong, only time will tell.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:14 p.m.

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The KHL is the 2nd best league in the world after the NHL. Producing in that league isn't that easy. Comparing Kaprizov to Derek Roy is brutal, I'm not solely basing my skill evaluations on point production.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:18 p.m.

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People made this exact argument with Kuznetsov too and now he's an elite center in the NHL. I'm very high on Kaprizov but I may be wrong, only time will tell.

Yeah and one thing we know for sure is if one player makes it, all players do right? rolling eyes

I agree time will tell and Im not opposed to Kaprizov becoming a star player one day but he hasn't proved it yet and he could also be a 10-20 goals scorer who plays a little PP and the teams 3rd line RW. Is he still better worth more than Pacioretty?

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:30 p.m.

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Yeah and one thing we know for sure is if one player makes it, all players do right? rolling eyes

Kaprizov + a 1st for patches is a massive overpay. I'd say I'd value them right about the same. I'm not saying if 1 player makes it they all do but he's put up similar numbers to Kuzy so that's why I compared the two.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 12:56 p.m.

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It's not a "Massive" over payment as we can both agree MTL is trading a 5 time 30 goal scorer who is 29 for a player who has good number in the KHL and has never played an NHL game. I could prove you a long list a players who have had good KHL numbers and have been marginal point producers in the NHL. Ill leave one example...Nail Yakupov.

You are right, kaprizov could be really good, but he also could go the way 90% of all KHL stars go when they come to the NHL. MTL is taking all the risk here.

Jul. 19, 2018 at 1:16 p.m.

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