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Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 22, 2018
Published: Jul. 22, 2018
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Hear me out: Hainsey and Zaitsev have both already failed at 1RD. I'm still not convinced Gardiner/Rielly can play RD effectively enough to justify using them there. Marincin is younger than Hainsey and better defensively than Zaitsev, and his puck skills have improved with the Marlies. This isn't likely to work, but it's probably Toronto's best chance if they can't land Karlsson for a reasonable price.
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Jul. 22, 2018 at 2:36 p.m.
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Hainsey didn’t fail! We didn’t have anyone else to run the PK so he was on the ice for way to much time. Should he be a top pair guy? No, but we also don’t have any other defenceman to help him on the PK. If Marincin can help out on the PK that would be amazing for Hainsey.

Zaitsev is a very good defenceman who just needs a bigger role like he played in Russia and I think he could run the PK in the future. I hear what ur saying, we could use another guy or two on the backend but the future is also bright with Rielly, Dermot, Liljegren and Sandin.
Jul. 22, 2018 at 2:37 p.m.
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Again this inaccurate fascination with the term 1 RHD. Like all teams the best players will generally get the most Ice time. So if it means Zaitsev, plays 22 minutes, Hainsey 20 minutes Marner playing 6 minutes at right side point one the PP that leaves 12 minutes for Carrick/Marincin/Holl or Ozhignikov Hard to fathom that Marincin will suddenly be capable of big minutes at at the NHL level. But if whoever plays the best will get the most minutes, despite any numbering system.
Jul. 22, 2018 at 2:48 p.m.
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Quoting: TML2000
Hainsey didn’t fail! We didn’t have anyone else to run the PK so he was on the ice for way to much time. Should he be a top pair guy? No, but we also don’t have any other defenceman to help him on the PK. If Marincin can help out on the PK that would be amazing for Hainsey.

Zaitsev is a very good defenceman who just needs a bigger role like he played in Russia and I think he could run the PK in the future. I hear what ur saying, we could use another guy or two on the backend but the future is also bright with Rielly, Dermot, Liljegren and Sandin.


Hainsey's gonna be playing a crapload of PK anyway, since Zaitsev really isn't that great at it. Hockeyvis's shotmaps for Gardiner-Zaitsev consistently showed the majority of dangerous chances coming from the right side. Zaitsev's an OFD. He's a pretty decent OFD, but Zaitsev on PK is a bad idea.

Hainsey down the stretch each of the past two years was really ineffective. His body just can't handle playing 1RD and PK1 over the course of a season. He can't really be moved off of PK1, so he has to be moved off of 1RD.

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Again this inaccurate fascination with the term 1 RHD. Like all teams the best players will generally get the most Ice time. So if it means Zaitsev, plays 22 minutes, Hainsey 20 minutes Marner playing 6 minutes at right side point one the PP that leaves 12 minutes for Carrick/Marincin/Holl or Ozhignikov Hard to fathom that Marincin will suddenly be capable of big minutes at at the NHL level. But if whoever plays the best will get the most minutes, despite any numbering system.


You're correct that Marincin playing big minutes at the NHL level will probably not work. Hainsey and Zaitsev playing massive minutes are options that have already not worked. Might as well gamble on the thing that is a longshot to work over the thing that has already failed to work.

There are 3 pairings at 5v5, each playing a different amount of 5v5 minutes. The RD on the pair that plays the most 5v5 minutes is the 1RD. Babcock has shown 3 things as an NHL coach. 1. He hates playing guys that are under 25 unless they are legitimate stars. 2. He keeps his lines and pairings together over long periods of time. 3. He likes to have a line and a pairing he can hard-match against other teams' top lines.

Babs needs a shutdown pair with a strong defensive 1RD in order for his system to work. You're correct that teams don't necessarily need a true top-pairing guy at 1RD if they have really good LD, Tampa proved that. But Babcock needs a good defensive 1RD for his system to work, and Marincin is the best shot at that working.
Jul. 22, 2018 at 2:59 p.m.
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I would think the Leafs are still kinda stuck with their current group on defence and they have to hope someone or two emerges as NHL competent. Leafs only have abut 2.8m in cap space so a big name likely is coming to help. Maybe later a trade can be made with a team for Dmen after they dropped out of the playoff race.
The other option might be is to play Dermot on the right side. He seems to have the mobility and puck handling abilities to do the job if no one else grabs the opening of the right side.
I'm more optimistic long term for the Leafs defence as they seem to have some prospects that appear to NHL good in a few years.
Jul. 22, 2018 at 3:28 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal


Marincin is the most likely to immediately pan out IMO.

This was very specifically me trying to not make a trade.

Dermott as 1RD isn't impossible, but Marincin is more defensively responsible and more experienced at RD.
Jul. 22, 2018 at 4:12 p.m.
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If you're going to Marincin, at least put him with Zaitsev. Hainsey is absolute balls but he yells at Rielly to play his position so his value is there. They are not however, the top pair.
Gardiner - Dermott
Rielly - Hainsey
Marincin - Zaitsev
Jul. 22, 2018 at 4:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Goulet
If you're going to Marincin, at least put him with Zaitsev. Hainsey is absolute balls but he yells at Rielly to play his position so his value is there. They are not however, the top pair.
Gardiner - Dermott
Rielly - Hainsey
Marincin - Zaitsev


IMO, Gardiner about = Rielly. Gardiner IMO is slightly better, but every time I put him over Rielly I get yelled at for it, and I wanted people to yell at me for putting Marincin on the top pair instead.
I feel like Babs wants the top pair to be a shutdown pair, while Dermott is very much an offensively-oriented player. The Leafs probably should commit to offense/transition from the top pair, but Babcock won't.
Your D core is probably optimal if Babs is willing to accept that the Leafs are a team committed to winning off of their ability to outscore their problems. I don't think he is.
Jul. 22, 2018 at 5:04 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Ultimate_Pielord
IMO, Gardiner about = Rielly. Gardiner IMO is slightly better, but every time I put him over Rielly I get yelled at for it, and I wanted people to yell at me for putting Marincin on the top pair instead.
I feel like Babs wants the top pair to be a shutdown pair, while Dermott is very much an offensively-oriented player. The Leafs probably should commit to offense/transition from the top pair, but Babcock won't.
Your D core is probably optimal if Babs is willing to accept that the Leafs are a team committed to winning off of their ability to outscore their problems. I don't think he is.


This year will be interesting with no Lou around. The team appeared to be caught in the middle of the high tempo vs old school big bodied bullshit with Lou and now, they may indeed go with the old adage that "the best defense is a good offense".
No one likes Gardiner except for actual hockey guys. Dermott looks like a mini Jake without the bonehead giveaways. Hainsey is replacement level, but he tries to keep Rielly in check, who is still only a one way D. And 3rd, at best, on the Leafs depth chart.
Zaitsev, same thing. Marincin is probably already better than Hainsey and at a fraction of the price but I doubt he makes it past Babcock. If he did, he is the perfect complement to Zaitsev.

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