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Definitely not a Trouba trade.

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If you clicked on this thinking its a Trouba trade, you didn't read the title. This is not a Trouba trade.
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Jul. 23, 2018 at 4:54 p.m.
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Ty, seems to be Trouba everything right now lol
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Jul. 23, 2018 at 4:58 p.m.
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Ty, seems to be Trouba everything right now lol


He's a terrific player but the cost of obtaining someone elses terrific player is always too much.
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Jul. 23, 2018 at 5:17 p.m.
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Dont know why anyone who watched last season and not just the stat sheet would be OK with paying Nylander 7 mil. If not playing with AM his numbers would be way down
Jul. 23, 2018 at 6:44 p.m.
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Five stars,,,,for NOT a Trouba trade.
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Jul. 23, 2018 at 7:07 p.m.
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But I agree with jangle29 -- I think $6M for Nylander is enough.

Glad to see you think either Ozhiganov or Rosen might be able to step in this year.
Jul. 23, 2018 at 8:16 p.m.
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Dont know why anyone who watched last season and not just the stat sheet would be OK with paying Nylander 7 mil. If not playing with AM his numbers would be way down


Or...would Matthews numbers be way down if he wasn't playing with Willy?
7M is too much.
Jul. 23, 2018 at 9:57 p.m.
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Or...would Matthews numbers be way down if he wasn't playing with Willy?
7M is too much.


How anyone can look at Ehlers deal and think he should get more confuses me. Same exactly player/draft/position/age. Ehlers actually has a bit more success IMO
Jul. 23, 2018 at 10:43 p.m.
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How anyone can look at Ehlers deal and think he should get more confuses me. Same exactly player/draft/position/age. Ehlers actually has a bit more success IMO


I agree completely. Other contenders set the bar, not basement teams with horrible management.
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Jul. 23, 2018 at 10:44 p.m.
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I honestly cannot believe people quickly forgot how useless Nylander was vs Boston. But want to dish out the world to him
Jul. 24, 2018 at 6:29 a.m.
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How anyone can look at Ehlers deal and think he should get more confuses me. Same exactly player/draft/position/age. Ehlers actually has a bit more success IMO


I. suppose the Nylander camp will say OK compare Ehlers, but the cap went up 6%. I know he was UFA but how. did Kane get 7 X 7 from the Sharks. Hart candidate Marchant signs for 6.1m. Yep it makes no sense what is a comparable. IMO Nylander "wasn't pleased" with the Tavares signing. His days of playing centre are now gone as a Leaf. I think he always had the intention of going the Trouba route and being a UFA as soon as possible. So all these negotiations and long term offerings by the Leafs just might be meaningless, he isn't signing long term. Plus if the Leafs have to spend cap money on Dman in a year or two, Nylander looks like a trade piece for the Leafs.
Jul. 24, 2018 at 6:56 a.m.
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I. suppose the Nylander camp will say OK compare Ehlers, but the cap went up 6%. I know he was UFA but how. did Kane get 7 X 7 from the Sharks. Hart candidate Marchant signs for 6.1m. Yep it makes no sense what is a comparable. IMO Nylander "wasn't pleased" with the Tavares signing. His days of playing centre are now gone as a Leaf. I think he always had the intention of going the Trouba route and being a UFA as soon as possible. So all these negotiations and long term offerings by the Leafs just might be meaningless, he isn't signing long term. Plus if the Leafs have to spend cap money on Dman in a year or two, Nylander looks like a trade piece for the Leafs.


No, there is no negativity to be spun from signing Tavares. He will play wing like he has for two seasons now. Then centre in 2-4 years when Kadri leaves. IMO Ehlers was a step ahead of Nylander so far so I think the 6 mil fits fine. If not what leverage does he have? Sit out and have the whole city/fan base hate him? Didn't work out for Trouba and won't for him. The leafs management have made it clear in the last few years they will only sign cap friendly deals to RFA players so I don't see that changing
Jul. 24, 2018 at 7:57 a.m.
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No, there is no negativity to be spun from signing Tavares. He will play wing like he has for two seasons now. Then centre in 2-4 years when Kadri leaves. IMO Ehlers was a step ahead of Nylander so far so I think the 6 mil fits fine. If not what leverage does he have? Sit out and have the whole city/fan base hate him? Didn't work out for Trouba and won't for him. The leafs management have made it clear in the last few years they will only sign cap friendly deals to RFA players so I don't see that changing


I said nothing about sitting out. He's a RFA and his contract will reflect that I just said, I don't think he is signing long term. Actually it working for Trouba. He wanted to be a UFA as soon as possible , He signed a bridge for two years then a year of arbirtration, maybe a another year of arbitration then he's a UFA. Sure Trouba lost some money in that bridge deal, but he plans to make it up as early as possible UFA.

But to assume that Nylander will want to be a centre with the Leafs in a few years, and still "behind" Tavares and Matthews, I just don't think Nylander is accepting that. He wants (deserving or not) to be a top centre on some club.
You're right the Leafs will probably only sign players to cap friendly deals. That doesn't mean that players are forced to sign long term with the Leafs.
Jul. 24, 2018 at 8:13 a.m.
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I said nothing about sitting out. He's a RFA and his contract will reflect that I just said, I don't think he is signing long term. Actually it working for Trouba. He wanted to be a UFA as soon as possible , He signed a bridge for two years then a year of arbirtration, maybe a another year of arbitration then he's a UFA. Sure Trouba lost some money in that bridge deal, but he plans to make it up as early as possible UFA.

But to assume that Nylander will want to be a centre with the Leafs in a few years, and still "behind" Tavares and Matthews, I just don't think Nylander is accepting that. He wants (deserving or not) to be a top centre on some club.
You're right the Leafs will probably only sign players to cap friendly deals. That doesn't mean that players are forced to sign long term with the Leafs.


Where is this "Nylander wants to be centre or leave" talk coming from? Do you have a link? Sounds new to me
Jul. 24, 2018 at 8:44 a.m.
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Where is this "Nylander wants to be centre or leave" talk coming from? Do you have a link? Sounds new to me


No, as I stated earlier, it's just may opinion. It's my opinion that he wants a shot term deal so he can explore other options in his career at the earliest possible date. Do you have a link that the Nylander and the Leafs want to negotiate a long term deal? Sounds new to me.
Jul. 24, 2018 at 8:49 a.m.
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No, as I stated earlier, it's just may opinion. It's my opinion that he wants a shot term deal so he can explore other options in his career at the earliest possible date. Do you have a link that the Nylander and the Leafs want to negotiate a long term deal? Sounds new to me.


If he was ever asked he said he wants to be there. That's all we can go by now
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:27 a.m.
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Dont know why anyone who watched last season and not just the stat sheet would be OK with paying Nylander 7 mil. If not playing with AM his numbers would be way down


Anyone who doesn't want to pay him 7 million for 8 years is old school and has no forward thinking. Paying him less will result in a short 2-3 year bridge deal and then with him playing with AM will score at or above a point a game and then he'll be able to demand over 10 million a year for 8 years. Get him for 8 now and no matter what he does, the team will be able to argue for less cap since he'll be 30 at the start of his next contract. Adapt with the times or be like Lou and sign Komarov for 4 years at 3 million.
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:38 a.m.
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Anyone who doesn't want to pay him 7 million for 8 years is old school and has no forward thinking. Paying him less will result in a short 2-3 year bridge deal and then with him playing with AM will score at or above a point a game and then he'll be able to demand over 10 million a year for 8 years. Get him for 8 now and no matter what he does, the team will be able to argue for less cap since he'll be 30 at the start of his next contract. Adapt with the times or be like Lou and sign Komarov for 4 years at 3 million.


So many wrong statements. For one if he doesn't improve 7 million is an overpayment and he loses value. Also the fact you have no idea how a rebuild works by talking about a komarov contracts shows me you are just a regular casual couch fan. When you rebuild you need to spend money on something so you go and identify players who are good leaders and sign them. Every team does this and every time people's act like they have no clue. That's what Komarov, and Martin were for the leafs, and will be for the islanders as they rebuild
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:47 a.m.
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So many wrong statements. For one if he doesn't improve 7 million is an overpayment and he loses value. Also the fact you have no idea how a rebuild works by talking about a komarov contracts shows me you are just a regular casual couch fan. When you rebuild you need to spend money on something so you go and identify players who are good leaders and sign them. Every team does this and every time people's act like they have no clue. That's what Komarov, and Martin were for the leafs, and will be for the islanders as they rebuild


Toronto brought in a bunch of vets 3 seasons ago and stuck most of them in the AHL because they let the young guys like Hyman, Brown etc play over guys like Michalek. You must be a Vancouver fan because what you are saying is exactly what that stellar franchise is doing. Spend just under 9 million on 4th liners because thats how you build a winner. Give me a break, idiot GM's who don't want to accept the league is changing spend way too much money on depth guys. Yes you need leadership but spending 3 million on a guy who wouldn't make the Leafs just for leadership is non sense.

As for Nylander, do you honestly think he isn't going to improve from being a 60 point player? He hasn't hit his prime, he's shown that he can utterly dominate in this league and he's surrounded by elite talent. He will outscore JVR this year and over the next 5 years (The length of JVR's contract) I bet Nylander will outscore JVR every season (health permitting). Now tell me, what makes more sense, paying JVR 7 million for scoring 30 goals a lot when he was in his 20's or paying Nylander 7 million for the entirety of his 20's when those will be his offensively greatest seasons.

These are all stats that are readily available. Plays score their most points in their 24 year old season. Nylander is 22, its a very safe bet he'll have 3-4 big seasons in the coming years before leveling out, then he'll decline in his 30's. 95% of hockey players follow this trend. Smart money is betting on Nylander to become and surpass being a 7 million dollar player. You think Yzerman isn't regretting giving Kucherov an 8 year deal 2 years ago? He could have had him locked up for 7 million for 8 years, now he has to pay him 9.5 million when he'll be 33. He won't be worth that money at that stage. (Corey Perry)
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:52 a.m.
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Toronto brought in a bunch of vets 3 seasons ago and stuck most of them in the AHL because they let the young guys like Hyman, Brown etc play over guys like Michalek. You must be a Vancouver fan because what you are saying is exactly what that stellar franchise is doing. Spend just under 9 million on 4th liners because thats how you build a winner. Give me a break, idiot GM's who don't want to accept the league is changing spend way too much money on depth guys. Yes you need leadership but spending 3 million on a guy who wouldn't make the Leafs just for leadership is non sense.

As for Nylander, do you honestly think he isn't going to improve from being a 60 point player? He hasn't hit his prime, he's shown that he can utterly dominate in this league and he's surrounded by elite talent. He will outscore JVR this year and over the next 5 years (The length of JVR's contract) I bet Nylander will outscore JVR every season (health permitting). Now tell me, what makes more sense, paying JVR 7 million for scoring 30 goals a lot when he was in his 20's or paying Nylander 7 million for the entirety of his 20's when those will be his offensively greatest seasons.

These are all stats that are readily available. Plays score their most points in their 24 year old season. Nylander is 22, its a very safe bet he'll have 3-4 big seasons in the coming years before leveling out, then he'll decline in his 30's. 95% of hockey players follow this trend. Smart money is betting on Nylander to become and surpass being a 7 million dollar player. You think Yzerman isn't regretting giving Kucherov an 8 year deal 2 years ago? He could have had him locked up for 7 million for 8 years, now he has to pay him 9.5 million when he'll be 33. He won't be worth that money at that stage. (Corey Perry)
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:52 a.m.
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Toronto brought in a bunch of vets 3 seasons ago and stuck most of them in the AHL because they let the young guys like Hyman, Brown etc play over guys like Michalek. You must be a Vancouver fan because what you are saying is exactly what that stellar franchise is doing. Spend just under 9 million on 4th liners because thats how you build a winner. Give me a break, idiot GM's who don't want to accept the league is changing spend way too much money on depth guys. Yes you need leadership but spending 3 million on a guy who wouldn't make the Leafs just for leadership is non sense.

As for Nylander, do you honestly think he isn't going to improve from being a 60 point player? He hasn't hit his prime, he's shown that he can utterly dominate in this league and he's surrounded by elite talent. He will outscore JVR this year and over the next 5 years (The length of JVR's contract) I bet Nylander will outscore JVR every season (health permitting). Now tell me, what makes more sense, paying JVR 7 million for scoring 30 goals a lot when he was in his 20's or paying Nylander 7 million for the entirety of his 20's when those will be his offensively greatest seasons.

These are all stats that are readily available. Plays score their most points in their 24 year old season. Nylander is 22, its a very safe bet he'll have 3-4 big seasons in the coming years before leveling out, then he'll decline in his 30's. 95% of hockey players follow this trend. Smart money is betting on Nylander to become and surpass being a 7 million dollar player. You think Yzerman isn't regretting giving Kucherov an 8 year deal 2 years ago? He could have had him locked up for 7 million for 8 years, now he has to pay him 9.5 million when he'll be 33. He won't be worth that money at that stage. (Corey Perry)

Islanders a tanking. Anyone who knows anything about hockey can see it. Adorable how you truly think your right lol
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:57 a.m.
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Islanders a tanking. Anyone who knows anything about hockey can see it. Adorable how you truly think your right lol


If the Islanders were tanking they wouldn't have signed Komarov to a 4 year deal. A smart tank is what the Leafs did, bring in vets on 1 year deals and then trade them for more assets at the deadline. Not sign long term deals for people you just won't be able to move. If I'm tanking for a rebuild, I want to get rid of all contracts that won't help me long term. Not bring in 4th liners and pay them 3 million a season. That is insanity.

Anyone who thinks the Komarov signing was smart has no idea how to build a team. If you were right, the Leafs would have kept him because he's so valuable. He isn't and thats why he is not in TO anymore.
Jul. 24, 2018 at 10:04 a.m.
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If the Islanders were tanking they wouldn't have signed Komarov to a 4 year deal. A smart tank is what the Leafs did, bring in vets on 1 year deals and then trade them for more assets at the deadline. Not sign long term deals for people you just won't be able to move. If I'm tanking for a rebuild, I want to get rid of all contracts that won't help me long term. Not bring in 4th liners and pay them 3 million a season. That is insanity.

Anyone who thinks the Komarov signing was smart has no idea how to build a team. If you were right, the Leafs would have kept him because he's so valuable. He isn't and thats why he is not in TO anymore.


Clearly he wanted komarov and if he wouldn't sign for less he had no option
Jul. 24, 2018 at 10:08 a.m.
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Clearly he wanted komarov and if he wouldn't sign for less he had no option


This is why Lou is outdated, Komarov is a 1-1.5 million dollar player, a team with good depth can let depth guys leave every season because 4th liners are easy to find and are cheap. (Pass this memo off to Vancouver)

Pay superstars super star money, pay depth guys depth money. And if those depth guys want too much for the role they play, trade them for future assets so you can keep rotating young players into the lineup.
Jul. 24, 2018 at 10:23 a.m.
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If he was ever asked he said he wants to be there. That's all we can go by now


99% of the time, a player will say publicly that he wants to stay and loves his team and city he plays in. Doesn't mean its true. He just doesn't want to throw himself or his current team "under the bus" and certainly doesn't want to convey to other teams (potential employers) that he isn't a "team guy". Like Trouba who wants explore UFA options at the earliest convenience, I just believe Nylander wants the same thing. We'll know in a couple of months.
Jul. 24, 2018 at 10:27 a.m.
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99% of the time, a player will say publicly that he wants to stay and loves his team and city he plays in. Doesn't mean its true. He just doesn't want to throw himself or his current team "under the bus" and certainly doesn't want to convey to other teams (potential employers) that he isn't a "team guy". Like Trouba who wants explore UFA options at the earliest convenience, I just believe Nylander wants the same thing. We'll know in a couple of months.


Nylander has shown zero signs of any of that. Trouba has demanded trades, asked for way too much money and has done this publicly. Nylander has been quiet and when he has said anything, he's said how much he loves the team and the city.
 
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