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An $81M Salary Cap Would Do It

Created by: OldNYIfan
Initial Creation Date: Jul 23, 2018
Published: Jul 23, 2018 at 7:50 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
The problem presented by 2019 is to keep most of the core talent while not exposing an inexperienced defense. As you can see, I'm keeping the top 10 forwards and the top defense pairing. You can substitute any one of our top 5 defense prospects (Borgman, Ozhiganov, Rosen, Lindgren or even Sandin) for Liljegren. Ditto Bracco or one of the Russians for a LW. And I'm sure that in 2019 there will be viable UFA candidates for all of those slots, too. (If you don't like the idea of retaining Connor Carrick, there's likely to be Robert Bertuzzo.)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Matthews, Auston8$11,000,000
Marner, Mitchell8$7,000,000
Nylander, William8$6,000,000
Kapanen, Kasperi4$2,400,000
Carrick, Connor4$1,950,000
Johnsson, Andreas4$1,500,000
Borgman, Andreas3$975,000
McAdam, Eamon3$975,000
Moore, Trevor3$975,000
Ozhiganov, Igor3$975,000
Rosén, Calle3$975,000
Sparks, Garret3$833,333
Subban, Jordan3$833,333
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Folin, Christian4$1,250,000
Lindholm, Pär3$975,000
Marincin, Martin3$975,000
Pickard, Calvin3$975,000
Jooris, Josh3$833,333
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Durzi (RD), Sean3$925,000
Rasanen (RD), Eemeli3$925,000
Korshkov (RW), Yegor3$925,000
Woll (G), Joseph3$925,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Connauton, Kevin
Additional Details:
(trade best made at end of summer in 2018)
ARI
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,000,000$81,384,999$0$400,000-$384,999
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Nylander, William
$6,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
Marleau, Patrick
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Matthews, Auston
$11,000,000
C
UFA - 5
Marner, Mitchell
$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
Kapanen, Kasperi
$2,400,000
RW
RFA - 3
Johnsson, Andreas
$1,500,000
LW
UFA - 4
Lindholm, Pär
$975,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Grundström, Carl
$925,000
LW
RFA - 1
Jooris, Josh
$833,333
C
UFA
Moore, Trevor
$975,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
Connauton, Kevin
$1,375,000
LD
UFA - 1
Carrick, Connor
$1,950,000
RD
UFA - 2
Pickard, Calvin
$975,000
G
UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
Folin, Christian
$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Jul 23, 2018 at 8:05
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Truber73
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I don't think you are getting either Marner or Nylander at those AAV for 8 years
Jul 23, 2018 at 8:08
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Quoting: Truber73
I don't think you are getting either Marner or Nylander at those AAV for 8 years


And what will their AAV's look like?
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Jul 23, 2018 at 8:20
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Quoting: Truber73
I don't think you are getting either Marner or Nylander at those AAV for 8 years


I was thinking 10,7.5 and 6.5 the math all works out
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Jul 23, 2018 at 8:22
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Quoting: Goulet
And what will their AAV's look like?


Matthews number is good

Marner + Nylander, if they get 8 year deals the aav goes up because you are buying years of UFA
Nylander has 5 years to UFA
A 5 year deal would be 6.5, an 8 year deal would be 7.5-7.75
Same math with Marner he will have 5 years to ufa
A 5 year deal would be 7M and 8 year deal would 8.25-8.5
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Jul 23, 2018 at 8:26
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You may well see 5 year deals for either Marner or Nylander to keep the aav down
I think Matthews get the same deal Tavares got except with the 8th year

They may stagger Marner and Nylander so the don't come due again at the same time
Like Matthews 8 years, Marner 6-7 years, Nylander 5 years
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Jul 23, 2018 at 8:30
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If Marner waits to sign and plays out the year
It's conceivable he gets 80-90 pts if he gells with Tavares
Tavares made some players millionaires in NYI because suddenly a guy is getting 25 goals playing with JT

Then you could be looking at 9m for Marner
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Jul 23, 2018 at 8:35
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Edited Jul 23, 2018 at 8:44
Quoting: buxvet
Matthews number is good

Marner + Nylander, if they get 8 year deals the aav goes up because you are buying years of UFA
Nylander has 5 years to UFA
A 5 year deal would be 6.5, an 8 year deal would be 7.5-7.75
Same math with Marner he will have 5 years to ufa
A 5 year deal would be 7M and 8 year deal would 8.25-8.5


None of the numbers are good.
Term brings the aav down, not up.
Nylander is 4years to UFA, Marner/Matthews 5.
Jul 23, 2018 at 8:47
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Quoting: buxvet
If Marner waits to sign and plays out the year
It's conceivable he gets 80-90 pts if he gells with Tavares
Tavares made some players millionaires in NYI because suddenly a guy is getting 25 goals playing with JT

Then you could be looking at 9m for Marner


Pulling numbers out of a hat doesn't work in the cap era. The Leafs aren't about to trade players, making the team worse, to pay players what the player or the fans may think they're worth.
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Jul 23, 2018 at 8:51
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How about that D though. Everyone is complaining about how bad it is now... it's 40% worse.
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:09
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Subbanator
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I think all those numbers are discounts. Nylander and Marner are better and can earn more then Evander Kane who just got $7 million. Mathews could ask for the max but won’t, still probably gets closer to $12 million though.
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:32
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The numbers are in the ballpark either 1M for one and 1M less for the other I say total of 25M should get all 3 kids in for 8 years
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:34
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
I think all those numbers are discounts. Nylander and Marner are better and can earn more then Evander Kane who just got $7 million. Mathews could ask for the max but won’t, still probably gets closer to $12 million though.


Look at Pasternak ( Bos ) and Ehlers ( Wpg)
They are better comparables than Kane
Who I think was an overpay

We'll see soon enough
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:38
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Quoting: Goulet
Pulling numbers out of a hat doesn't work in the cap era. The Leafs aren't about to trade players, making the team worse, to pay players what the player or the fans may think they're worth.


Well you quoted my comment, this isn't my armchair team
I was just commenting on what I thought the contracts would look like

And I agree about the D
Of course I would consider trading Nylander for help on D if the right deal came along
And upgrade Gardiner too, great Offensively, horrid defensively
His 50 points are great but not when your constant turnovers turn into goals for the other team
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:39
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Quoting: Goulet
None of the numbers are good.
Term brings the aav down, not up.
Nylander is 4years to UFA, Marner/Matthews 5.


Not when you are buying years of UFA it doesn't
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:39
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
I think all those numbers are discounts. Nylander and Marner are better and can earn more then Evander Kane who just got $7 million. Mathews could ask for the max but won’t, still probably gets closer to $12 million though.


Less than 300k in cap space, the cheapest and worst backend in the league, and you still go on about how they're going to get more?
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:40
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Quoting: Goulet
And what will their AAV's look like?


Thanks, Michel!
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:40
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I was thinking 10,7.5 and 6.5 the math all works out


Thanks, Jamie!
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:42
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Quoting: buxvet
You may well see 5 year deals for either Marner or Nylander to keep the aav down
I think Matthews get the same deal Tavares got except with the 8th year

They may stagger Marner and Nylander so the don't come due again at the same time
Like Matthews 8 years, Marner 6-7 years, Nylander 5 years


Thanks, Buxvet!
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:44
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Quoting: Fignn
The numbers are in the ballpark either 1M for one and 1M less for the other I say total of 25M should get all 3 kids in for 8 years


Thanks!
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:44
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Quoting: buxvet
Well you quoted my comment, this isn't my armchair team
I was just commenting on what I thought the contracts would look like

And I agree about the D
Of course I would consider trading Nylander for help on D if the right deal came along
And upgrade Gardiner too, great Offensively, horrid defensively
His 50 points are great but not when your constant turnovers turn into goals for the other team


Check out Corsica. You'll see that Gardiner is far better than you think and currently vastly superior to who you think is better.
Quoting: buxvet
Not when you are buying years of UFA it doesn't


When you're talking 7 to 8 years of term it does.
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:45
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Thanks, Michel!


It's Robert...
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:46
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Quoting: buxvet
Well you quoted my comment, this isn't my armchair team
I was just commenting on what I thought the contracts would look like

And I agree about the D
Of course I would consider trading Nylander for help on D if the right deal came along
And upgrade Gardiner too, great Offensively, horrid defensively
His 50 points are great but not when your constant turnovers turn into goals for the other team


The whole object of the exercise was NOT to trade any of the top 10 forwards, i.e., to see what sort of defense could be constructed with a budget of $16M (assuming a cap of $81M) and assuming that I had to go with Rielly's $5M and Zaitsev's $4.5M.
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:49
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Quoting: Goulet
Less than 300k in cap space, the cheapest and worst backend in the league, and you still go on about how they're going to get more?


"Worst backend in the league"?? Apparently, you haven't seen enough of Buffalo, Ottawa, Arizona or Vancouver.
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:52
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Quoting: buxvet
Look at Pasternak ( Bos ) and Ehlers ( Wpg)
They are better comparables than Kane
Who I think was an overpay

We'll see soon enough


I agree on both points but Ehlers and Pasternak were signed in 2017, Mathews and Marner will be two years out from that and Nylander will get a slight increase because of inflation. Even Mcdavids contract will be two years ago by the time Mathews signs, that all leads to increased salaries and new bars being set. Don’t know if any of these three would be big enough egos to enforce setting that bar and likely do get discounts.

But as you said, wait and see.
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:53
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Quoting: Goulet
Less than 300k in cap space, the cheapest and worst backend in the league, and you still go on about how they're going to get more?


What’s how much players get paid have to do with their depth at a different position? Players get as much as they can, if they take less to win its a discount. The contracts above are what I would say are discounts, in my opinion.
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