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Good News Toronto fans you can have Parayko

Created by: BeastModeUnknown
Initial Creation Date: Aug 3, 2018
Published: Aug 3, 2018 at 12:18 pm
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
SIke.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Nylander, William7$7,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Bouwmeester, Jay
STL
  1. Gardiner, Jake
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
STL
TOR
TOR
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$79,500,000$68,083,333$2,550,000$4,550,000$11,416,667
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
Nylander, William
$7,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 6
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
UFA - 3
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Leivo, Josh
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
Lindholm, Pär
$925,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Marner, Mitchell
$894,167
RW
UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas
$787,500
LW
UFA - 1
Matthews, Auston
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
Kapanen, Kasperi
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
Hainsey, Ron
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
McElhinney, Curtis
$850,000
G
UFA - 1
Bouwmeester, Jay
$5,400,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
Carrick, Connor
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2

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Aug 3, 2018 at 12:24
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Ark
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Dirty clickbate tears of joy
Aug 3, 2018 at 12:28
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Parayko/Bouwmeester for Gardiner. Evens out.
Aug 3, 2018 at 12:29
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Quoting: Weezley
Parayko/Bouwmeester for Gardiner. Evens out.


it actually doesn't....Parayko is a top line D anywhere else. It actually doesn't Gardiner is a friggin terrible defenseman and a Rental.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 12:44
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
it actually doesn't....Parayko is a top line D anywhere else. It actually doesn't Gardiner is a friggin terrible defenseman and a Rental.


You're coming across as a big time homer there boss. I appreciate that you like Parayko but he isn't the best RHD on a lot of teams. Karlsson, Doughty, Seth Jones, PK Subban etc. There are a lot of guys who are at or above Parayko. He would be the number 1 d on several teams but he's a step below the elite guys.
Aug 3, 2018 at 12:47
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
You're coming across as a big time homer there boss. I appreciate that you like Parayko but he isn't the best RHD on a lot of teams. Karlsson, Doughty, Seth Jones, PK Subban etc. There are a lot of guys who are at or above Parayko. He would be the number 1 d on several teams but he's a step below the elite guys.


He is a top line minute guy tho. its gonna take a lot more than a mid tier prospect and a 2nd Pairing Dman who can't play defense anyway that is a rental. you get what im saying?
Aug 3, 2018 at 12:54
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
it actually doesn't....Parayko is a top line D anywhere else. It actually doesn't Gardiner is a friggin terrible defenseman and a Rental.


More GMs should use this tactic. The "what if" one. Well Gardiner would be a #1LD anywhere else if Rielly was not there. So give us 6 1st round picks for him please. Thanks
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Aug 3, 2018 at 12:59
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Quoting: Jangle29
More GMs should use this tactic. The "what if" one. Well Gardiner would be a #1LD anywhere else if Rielly was not there. So give us 6 1st round picks for him please. Thanks


He wouldn’t here. Edmundson is better than Gardiner by a mile
Aug 3, 2018 at 1:00
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
He is a top line minute guy tho. its gonna take a lot more than a mid tier prospect and a 2nd Pairing Dman who can't play defense anyway that is a rental. you get what im saying?


Well you know my opinion on a trade between St Louis and Toronto, its just not going to happen without one of fan bases being really pissed. Either St Louis loses a player for a diminished return, or TO sends too much for an upgrade on the D but they'll damage their overall depth way too much to get it. A potential trade at this time just doesn't make sense for either teams.

That being said, if you are going to say that your 2nd pair RHD is a top line guy anywhere else, you better have the best RHD in the league ahead of him and you don't. Pietrangelo is a stud, no question about it. Top 5 RHD likely, but he's definitely better than Parayko. Parayko is the top D man on several teams and likely is top pairing on half of the teams but he's not the top on any other team.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 1:02
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Quoting: Jangle29
More GMs should use this tactic. The "what if" one. Well Gardiner would be a #1LD anywhere else if Rielly was not there. So give us 6 1st round picks for him please. Thanks


Gardiner isn't the top D man on almost every team in the league. He isn't even in the top 2 pairings on some teams. He would be the best defenceman in Vancouver or maybe Montreal and Detroit but that's about it, and those defenses are terrible. Rielly isn't even the top d guy on a lot of teams and he's way better than Gardiner. Lets all take a deep breath and be rational and reasonable.

Also just drop the Howard Berger BS rumour. There are no sources and this was made up.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 1:10
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
it actually doesn't....Parayko is a top line D anywhere else. It actually doesn't Gardiner is a friggin terrible defenseman and a Rental.


Oh I wasn’t actually serious. I was being stupid like this post.
Aug 3, 2018 at 1:11
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Quoting: Weezley
Oh I wasn’t actually serious. I was being stupid like this post.


This isn’t stupid. Making you realize you can’t get Parayko for nothing. That’s stupidity.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 1:13
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
He is a top line minute guy tho. its gonna take a lot more than a mid tier prospect and a 2nd Pairing Dman who can't play defense anyway that is a rental. you get what im saying?


For a guy that's posted 4 troll trades lately, you're getting pretty worked up...The thing about armchair-gm, and most other trade forums in professional sports is that 99% of people overvalue their players/prospects. You are definitely included. Instead of trying to troll everyone, why don't you post a trade where you express your opinion on his actual value.

Here's my offer- Parayko for Nylander. You're going to say it's too low, I'm going to say if anything, it's high, and then we're going to continue making dumb trade threads, and commenting on them because it's entertaining.

Edit:
Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
This isn’t stupid. Making you realize you can’t get Parayko for nothing. That’s stupidity.


I will second the motion that this is in fact very stupid, and that it's more about trolling Leaf fans than it is about making them realize anything.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 1:20
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Quoting: Lenny7
For a guy that's posted 4 troll trades lately, you're getting pretty worked up...The thing about armchair-gm, and most other trade forums in professional sports is that 99% of people overvalue their players/prospects. You are definitely included. Instead of trying to troll everyone, why don't you post a trade where you express your opinion on his actual value.

Here's my offer- Parayko for Nylander. You're going to say it's too low, I'm going to say if anything, it's high, and then we're going to continue making dumb trade threads, and commenting on them because it's entertaining.

Edit:

I will second the motion that this is in fact very stupid, and that it's more about trolling Leaf fans than it is about making them realize anything.


Nvm. You don’t get it. Every single Parayko Trade is a Troll with Leafs fans making it. Lol I’ve done little compared to the 70 million leafs fans making troll trades.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 1:22
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
This isn’t stupid. Making you realize you can’t get Parayko for nothing. That’s stupidity.


It is actually really stupid. If your point was to make people realize the Leafs can’t get Parayko for nothing you have failed miserably. What you were trying to do was be a jerk. Let’s call it what it is. That’s all you do. You overvalue Parayko just as much as people undervalue him.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 1:24
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
it actually doesn't....Parayko is a top line D anywhere else. It actually doesn't Gardiner is a friggin terrible defenseman and a Rental.


Just stop talking man, you don't have a clue, all you're right about is he's a rental, like I am starting to feel bad for you. http://ownthepuck.blogspot.com/
Aug 3, 2018 at 1:35
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Nvm. You don’t get it. Every single Parayko Trade is a Troll with Leafs fans making it. Lol I’ve done little compared to the 70 million leafs fans making troll trades.


Jeez, you're giving up that easily? You've spent the last hour "making everyone realize you can't get Parayko for nothing", and instead of offering an opinion on his actual value, you're going to take your ball and leave? I've given you an opportunity to discuss his actual value instead of sitting here bickering back and fourth, and instead you're going to say that I don't understand what you're trying to do?
Aug 3, 2018 at 1:50
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Quoting: Weezley
It is actually really stupid. If your point was to make people realize the Leafs can’t get Parayko for nothing you have failed miserably. What you were trying to do was be a jerk. Let’s call it what it is. That’s all you do. You overvalue Parayko just as much as people undervalue him.


Quoting: LeGreen95
Just stop talking man, you don't have a clue, all you're right about is he's a rental, like I am starting to feel bad for you. http://ownthepuck.blogspot.com/


You guys over estimate what Gardiner is if you don’t like him you just want to pawn him off on someone else and get a guy you like. You understand. Face Value I’m not overvalue. I’m valuing him on Market Value
Aug 3, 2018 at 1:52
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Quoting: Lenny7
Jeez, you're giving up that easily? You've spent the last hour "making everyone realize you can't get Parayko for nothing", and instead of offering an opinion on his actual value, you're going to take your ball and leave? I've given you an opportunity to discuss his actual value instead of sitting here bickering back and fourth, and instead you're going to say that I don't understand what you're trying to do?


I’m done arguing with fans who are blind to market value.
Aug 3, 2018 at 1:54
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
You guys over estimate what Gardiner is if you don’t like him you just want to pawn him off on someone else and get a guy you like. You understand. Face Value I’m not overvalue. I’m valuing him on Market Value


No one here is saying a trade for Gardiner and Parayko is a fair deal.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 1:57
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Quoting: Weezley
No one here is saying a trade for Gardiner and Parayko is a fair deal.

Some have
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Aug 3, 2018 at 2:00
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Some have


In this thread? No.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 2:01
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In this thread? No.


In this one no others yes for a few months.
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Aug 3, 2018 at 2:04
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
He wouldn’t here. Edmundson is better than Gardiner by a mile


No sir
Aug 3, 2018 at 2:09
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Quoting: Jangle29
No sir


You are biased. I’m sorry. I have to say it you are very biased. Edmundson is a defensive Defenseman and does well at his job better than Gardiner. Gardiner would leave Allen High And Dry Every time. He doesn’t even know what a defensive zone is
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Aug 3, 2018 at 2:09
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
You guys over estimate what Gardiner is if you don’t like him you just want to pawn him off on someone else and get a guy you like. You understand. Face Value I’m not overvalue. I’m valuing him on Market Value


No you aren't as a rental he can fetch a high end prospect and a 1st round pick. Like I have said multiple times, you know nothing about hockey. Just stick to watching and let the big boys talk.
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