Hey, I’ll happily take Pietrangelo instead . But calling the rest spare parts shows you don’t see Leafs play much. Kapanen is a good young winger who has RW1 as a real possibility, and solid RW3 who kills penalties as floor. Bracco is a 1st round pick not that long ago (2 drafts?). Gardiner is top 4 D on any team in league. Borgman made the team and played well the first month before he ran out of gas as a young guy come over from the short European season. Plus a 1st round pick. Those aren’t spare parts to any team in the league.

By pretty much every advanced metric he's a top 25 defensemen. WAR, Game Score, GAR etc. He's a stud. He scores at a first pairing rate on 5v5. ETc. Etc.

The issue is they don't fill needs for the Blues. We have a boatload of NHL left handed d men and a ton of left handed prospect d men. We have 3rd line wingers. We already have 2 top 6 wingers with 2 of our top 4 prospects being top 6 RW potential as well. Borgman is.... fine. Bracco had 6 goals in 50 games in the AHL last year. That looks like a bottom 6 type. He was also a 2nd rounder. Also the 1st will be late 20s.

They are spare parts compared to what we have already. The problem is our depth behind Parayko is thin. So why the hell is it a good idea to go thin on the Right Side just so you can win a cup??

Again, you’ve missed my point entirely. Assuming they actually are discussing him (as per reports), and that Dubas isn’t an idiot to trade a big 5 (eg Nylander), what would it take? Nobody is answering that. They’re (most anyway) just ignoring the point and freaking out about whatever they want. What would a trade look like given those 2 points? I’d love to send Zaitzev back too. But that seemed unfair lol.

Simple answer. You won’t get him. You lack the idea give to get.

Then why comment? You have nothing to ad. Just sit quietly and watch the other 8 people who are willfully ignorant and think their player isn’t being moved because he’s a superstar.

70th isn't 1st pair rate. In the past 2 seasons - combined - he has just 4 5v5 goals in 163 games.

Because you guys have this obsession with thinking Toronto can get whatever they want now that Tavares came along. News for ya if you can’t give what we need and what would improve us then you aren’t getting the player. End of story.

Parayko easily is the best player in the deal and blues have every intention to get overpayment or improvement in our lineup. You guys lack this common knowledge and idea of Give to get if you can’t give to get you don’t get.

You misunderstand me. Given his minutes distribution and his 5v5 scoring, it's at a first line rate. Below:

https://imgur.com/a/f2svZ4m (from ineffectivemath on twitter)

https://imgur.com/a/GAheDJQ (from Bill Comeau SKATR)

You're making a weird point. You're asking what would it take, but no one is allowed to say that it would take Nylander? You're saying what would an underpayment look like for Parayko lol. It's a silly question.

I can't open those images, but of all defensemen that played 250+ minutes last year, Parayko's 5v5 points/60 ranks him 106th. Since there are 31 teams in the league and 2 "top-pair" spots per team, he would have to be in the top-62 to be considered "top-pair 5v5 scoring rate. As it is, he's in the bottom half of the second pair guys.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=250&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=82&lines=single

Parayko's point generation rate is lower than defensive standouts like Polak, Beauchemin, Kris Russell, Mark Barberio, Erik Johnson and Ron Hainsey, to name a few. Offense is not his forte, and defensively he got outscored last year. Also, he gets somewhat sheltered assignments, as Bouwmeester and Pietrangelo take on the league's best. Parayko only faces elites about 30% of the time - fairly typical of a 2nd pairing guy.

Lol you just love it fit narratives that make no sense to get your point across. Stoooop it. You guys have no cap space and are a top heavy team salary cap wise and need to find ways to get depth through your lineup. 1 for 1 for an elite player like Parayko is fair but you guys lack depth, and traded it away for Orielly, and you guys nose dived after moving Stastny. I wouldn't be shocked if a core guy gets moved for a package of depth, not saying it's Parayko, but I am just saying it's a possibility. Stop crying over the trade rumors, anyone can get traded and they're just rumors.

And before you say your team has "depth" I see no Andreas Johnssons and Kapanens on your team to fill voids like (JVR). Fabbri is a player already. Everyone else on your team has been pretty dissapointing. Barbashev? He's a ghost out there.

1. Leafs fan calling Blues a top-heavy team - y'all about to have two 11 million dollar players.
2. We used our cap space - I don't view that as a problem, it gave us more depth
3. Our record without Stastny was 10-7-2, almost identical to our record before the TDL, 34-25-4
4. Not sure where you're coming from with this "no depth" take... say we trade a core guy for "a package of depth"... show me where the holes are that need to be filled. We have lines based on the duos of ROR-Tarasenko, Schwartz-Schenn, Steen-Bozak, and then Perron, Fabbri, Maroon, Thomas, Barbashev, Soshnikov, Jaskin, Thorburn, Nolan, Kyrou, Foley, Sanford, Kostin, Stevens, etc.

Some of y'all Leafs fans are insufferable... as soon as you get a good team, gotta go around and say dumb **** like "I see no Andreas Johnssons and Kapanens on your team". Big deal - your prospects have graduated, just wait until we graduate Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, Bokk, etc. Won't be many complaints about depth.

Then don’t comment. You’re just being a troll.



Again, you’re just wrong. Gardiner is just as good (if not better by many metrics not counting game 7 performance). But yes, just 1 year left. Hence the extra.



I wouldn’t say it’s weird, but definitely I have set a condition. I know it’s angering Blues fans (and after their terrible off season I wouldn’t do that on purpose), but there is no way they’re getting Nylander. Just not happening. So using logic, I’ve made another trade I think reasonable. They just refuse to believe that. They accuse me of being Tavares confidence blind. But they’re the ones who think their 2nd pair D is worth Karlsson value.

Hey. Us Leafs fans are ALWAYS insufferable saying dumb ****. Advantage of being fans of the best team in all of sports

Wow like I said, none of your depth are good players. Sosh Barbashev etc. aren't good, you had to overpay for bozak. Perron had a career year in Vegas like everyone else. Oh and Maroon needs to have good players around him to produce. Pretty meh 3rd line considering you have to ice them for O-zone starts because they're terrible defensively.

2 11 million players with the cap going up? Same cap % as Crosby and Malkin at that time.

Not worried about that, and 10-7-2 is the reason you guys fell out. No push

And remember you have Jake Allen PLEASE.

He's a worse version of James Reimer.

I give you a month and you'll hate how one dimensional Bozak is. That is why he is not back with Toronto.

And prospects are just prospects if they graduate. Who says yours are good enough? It's a crap shoot. Be jealous that the Leafs are finally good, it's great for the NHL.

I like how Blues fans are though, "We have an elite team" but you have JAKE ALLEN in net. You don't win with shotty goal-tending period.

That's why Lou went after Andersen after we finished last place, you can't build a winning culture without a good goalie. You guys did this backwards.

Now you're just out here making insults. I'm not a fan that blindly loves every move my team makes. I'm not a huge Jake Allen fan. I never said the Blues had amazing depth. You're just out here talking a bunch of garbage when all I did was correct your incorrect statements. I never said 2 x 11m players was a bad thing, it's especially not when it's Matthews and Tavares, those are top centers in the league. But don't call the Blues top-heavy when they're clearly not. Their top salary is 7.5m. Plenty of guys in the 3-5m range. That's the complete opposite of top-heavy. And depth is depth. If they were great players in the bottom six, they wouldn't be bottom six players... just bc JT signs in TOR and makes Kadri a 3rd line guy, now you're gonna showboat to the rest of the league about depth? The way I see it, everyone is in a position that they can handle on this Blues roster. Stark contrast from last year where basically everyone was playing up a line. Before you go around bashing other teams, keep in mind that the Blues have had to quietly rebuild over the last few years while making the playoffs. They didn't tank the team to get lottery picks - they had to try to make the playoffs to make money, and they still ice a pretty decent team. I think I have pretty realistic outlook on this team, don't need you over here going "LOL Jake Allen".

We're done here, you're just making stuff up. I ain't jealous and I never said "we have an elite team". I'm just out here trying to have a discussion. Obviously you're not interested.

You started the insults, I watch all 30 other teams clearly you don't. I have been on capfriendly for years and this is the first time I have ever seen a trade romour where the team giving up a quality piece having a meltdown like this.

That is all I see in arm chair gms is you blues fans crying. Get over it, it's a rumor, and you guys aren't getting a 21 year old who finished 2 back to back 61 point seasons for Parayko. And I have layed my reasons out why you'd want a package, stop looking at forwards, you have 3 UFA's on the backend next year.

I know Bozak way better than you, that's going to be a line that if it gets stuck in your end it is going to be there until the whistle. O-Zone starts

LOL why does the argument always turn into "I watch hockey, you don't". So lame. I feel like you're tagging me in this but arguing with someone else... I don't think Bozak is good defensively, I don't cry about rumors, and I definitely do understand the needs of the team that I root for.

Then why talk trash you have provided no facts and I have about your lineup? Also I saw you made an armchair on the blues getting Tavares so LOL to you.