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Created by: BringerOfHeat
Team: 2018-19 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 10, 2018
Published: Aug. 10, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
If Zetterberg retires and then put on "LTIR"
Trades
1.
DET
  1. 2019 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Nyquist, Gustav ($2,375,000 retained)
  2. 2019 7th round pick (ARI)
2.
DET
  1. 2019 4th round pick (MTL)
  2. 2020 5th round pick (MTL)
3.
DET
  1. Gillies, Jon
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (CGY)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Howard, Jimmy ($1,291,666 retained)
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$79,500,000$65,205,831$755,000$1,220,000$14,294,169
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 4
$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
UFA - 5
$3,300,000$3,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$3,850,000$3,850,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
LW, C
UFA - 3
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
$4,250,000$4,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
RW, RD
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,166,666$3,166,666
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
$2,687,500$2,687,500
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
$714,166$714,166 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
RD
RFA - 3
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 3
$4,250,000$4,250,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$6,083,333$6,083,333
C
UFA - 3
$3,954,545$3,954,545
RW, LW
UFA - 2

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Aug. 10, 2018 at 2:37 p.m.
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You definitely aren't getting a 1st for a 28 year old depth winger.
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Aug. 10, 2018 at 2:47 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
You definitely aren't getting a 1st for a 28 year old depth winger.


Thank god Nyquist is an elite second line winger then.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Thank god Nyquist is an elite second line winger then.


40 pts isn't ELITE bud.
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Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:04 p.m.
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Quoting: HotsamBatcho
40 pts isn't ELITE bud.


Check the stats bud. Hes at the cut off for first line wingers in points for both right and left wingers. It's your perception of second line wingers that not elite.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:07 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Check the stats bud. Hes at the cut off for first line wingers in points for both right and left wingers. It's your perception of second line wingers that not elite.


Second Line Wingers are not ELITE, I agree he's a decent 2nd Line W but definitely not ELITE.
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Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:13 p.m.
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Oh come on, Nyquist is not in the conversation of being elite at all. I get it if you're a Wing fan, I am too, but please just be honest with yourself.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: HotsamBatcho
Second Line Wingers are not ELITE, I agree he's a decent 2nd Line W but definitely not ELITE.


For a second line winger he is which is what I said.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:16 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
For a second line winger he is which is what I said.


That literally makes no sense, calling Nyquist ELITE would make half the league ELITE. There is some 3rd liners on some teams that put up the same numbers as Nyquist.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:23 p.m.
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Quoting: HotsamBatcho
That literally makes no sense, calling Nyquist ELITE would make half the league ELITE. There is some 3rd liners on some teams that put up the same numbers as Nyquist.


Why doesn't that make sense to you? For a second line winger Nyquist is at the very top of the list for scoring: that makes him elite FOR SECOND LINE WINGERS. I can't be any more clear than that so I don't know what else to say. Also, the fact that some teams have more talent than others on their third line is irrelevant to what we were discussing. Oh and btw did half the league have 40 points last year?
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:26 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Thank god Nyquist is an elite second line winger then.


2 things

1) What does an elite 2nd line winger mean? Elite players are first liners unless they are basically a 1C playing 2C then they can be elite or a 1st line winger playing 2nd line because there is also a elite winger ahead of them.
2) Nyquist is a bottom 6 winger on most good teams.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:27 p.m.
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Why doesn't that make sense to you? For a second line winger Nyquist is at the very top of the list for scoring: that makes him elite FOR SECOND LINE WINGERS. I can't be any more clear than that so I don't know what else to say. Also, the fact that some teams have more talent than others on their third line is irrelevant to what we were discussing. Oh and btw did half the league have 40 points last year?


Nyquist is not at the very top of the list lmaoooo, Nyquist is a 40 point F they're are much much better 2nd Line wingers in the league than him he's just average. And what you're saying still makes no sense just because someone is good on the second line doesn't make them ELITE. I guess this would also mean that Tyler Myers is ELITE because he's good for a 3rd Pairing guy??? You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:32 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
2 things

1) What does an elite 2nd line winger mean? Elite players are first liners unless they are basically a 1C playing 2C then they can be elite or a 1st line winger playing 2nd line because there is also a elite winger ahead of them.
2) Nyquist is a bottom 6 winger on most good teams.


Saying Nyquist is bottom six on most teams just proves you don't actually use facts to form opinions. I can't argue with you about your arbitrary emotional rankings as I don't have any information on how you compile them. So I'm forced to use facts: Nyquist has scored at or around the cut-off for first line wingers for the last five years. Using those pesky inconvenient facts I draw the conclusion that you are wrong, sorry.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:34 p.m.
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Nyquist is a versatile middle 6 winger. that being said id love a low second or a prospect we can work with. at the trade deadline maybe try and squeeze someone for a 2nd and a 4th maybe
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:36 p.m.
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Quoting: HotsamBatcho
Nyquist is not at the very top of the list lmaoooo, Nyquist is a 40 point F they're are much much better 2nd Line wingers in the league than him he's just average. And what you're saying still makes no sense just because someone is good on the second line doesn't make them ELITE. I guess this would also mean that Tyler Myers is ELITE because he's good for a 3rd Pairing guy??? You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.


Your making less and less sense. Are you unable to access the stats page at NHL.com or are you unable to spell Nyquist correctly?
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:38 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Your making less and less sense. Are you unable to access the stats page at NHL.com or are you unable to spell Nyquist correctly?


I am able to access it thank you very much, and he had 40 pts last year, nothing about 40 pts is ELITE and there's no such thing as being ELITE for a 2nd Line W.
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Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:38 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Your making less and less sense. Are you unable to access the stats page at NHL.com or are you unable to spell Nyquist correctly?


Lol elite and 40 points in the same sentence not working for you bud the only elite player is larkin and zadina later on but please nyquist is good but not elite lmao
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:40 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Saying Nyquist is bottom six on most teams just proves you don't actually use facts to form opinions. I can't argue with you about your arbitrary emotional rankings as I don't have any information on how you compile them. So I'm forced to use facts: Nyquist has scored at or around the cut-off for first line wingers for the last five years. Using those pesky inconvenient facts I draw the conclusion that you are wrong, sorry.


He's good for around 40 a year. There are a tonne of wingers who can put up 40 points a season. If Nyquist is elite so is Zack Hyman........he is not elite.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:48 p.m.
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He's good for around 40 a year. There are a tonne of wingers who can put up 40 points a season. If Nyquist is elite so is Zack Hyman........he is not elite.


Huh, thats weird then because where are they? There not on the NHL stat page. On that page it only shows thirty or so guys on either right or left wing that out scored him. Maybe you meant if I added all their weights together I'd get a ton?
Aug. 10, 2018 at 3:53 p.m.
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Huh, thats weird then because where are they? There not on the NHL stat page. On that page it only shows thirty or so guys on either right or left wing that out scored him. Maybe you meant if I added all their weights together I'd get a ton?


Including LWs, RWs, and Cs there about 150 (147) Forwards that had more points than him next year and all of those guys are NOT ELITE, calling Nyquist ELITE is like calling Ryan Dzingel ELITE. JUST STOP.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 4:02 p.m.
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Including LWs, RWs, and Cs there about 150 (147) Forwards that had more points than him next year and all of those guys are NOT ELITE, calling Nyquist ELITE is like calling Ryan Dzingel ELITE. JUST STOP.


Dude he's not a center. You combined three different positions to get to 147 so um no. See because Nyquist doesn't play three positions simultaneously.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 4:03 p.m.
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Dude he's not a center. You combined three different positions to get to 147 so um no. See because Nyquist doesn't play three positions simultaneously.


Either compare him individually to right wingers or left wingers. Otherwise stop.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 4:04 p.m.
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Dude he's not a center. You combined three different positions to get to 147 so um no. See because Nyquist doesn't play three positions simultaneously.


I'm just going to stop arguing with you before I get cancer or get banned.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 4:06 p.m.
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Either compare him individually to right wingers or left wingers. Otherwise stop.

Ok but theres still 30 LW who are better than him, and being right outside of all of the first Line W does not make you ELITE even some 1st Line W are not Elite.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 4:14 p.m.
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Ok but theres still 30 LW who are better than him, and being right outside of all of the first Line W does not make you ELITE even some 1st Line W are not Elite.


What part of "for a second line winger" is unclear? Why is this concept so difficult? I'm not saying he's in the top tier for first line wingers, I'm saying he's in the top tier for second line wingers. The stats, inconvenient though they are, back me up. it seems as if you and a few other people got hung up on the word elite when thats not the point.
Aug. 10, 2018 at 4:18 p.m.
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What part of "for a second line winger" is unclear? Why is this concept so difficult? I'm not saying he's in the top tier for first line wingers, I'm saying he's in the top tier for second line wingers. The stats, inconvenient though they are, back me up. it seems as if you and a few other people got hung up on the word elite when thats not the point.


He is an average 2nd Line Winger there about 20 2nd line Wingers and also other 3rd Line Wingers who produce the same amount of points as him.
 
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