3 way deal... does it work? OTT TOR

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Created by: TotheNorth

Team: 2018-19 Winnipeg Jets

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 15, 2018

Published: Aug. 15, 2018

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Like the Hoffman deal, OTT doesn't want to trade Karlsson within the division so they work out a deal where Winnipeg trades Trouba to TOR for Kapanen Nielsen and a 1st, which is then flipped to OTT + Dano and a WPG 2nd for Karlsson.

OTT comes out looking like winners as they get a decent package for the rental of Karlsson, WPG moves on from Trouba and goes all in to win this season with Karlsson. They'll attempt to re-sign him but likely won't be able to. It's a big risk but you're getting arguably the best D in the league for the year to add to one of the most potent offenses in the league.

TOR also gets the top pairing RHD at 24 years old they're looking for to compete for the next two years. They'll also use Matthews to try and convince Trouba to stay long term in TO.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Morrissey, Joshua		6	$5,000,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Vesalainen, Kristian		3	$925,000

Trades

WPG

Kapanen, Kasperi
Nielsen, Andrew
2019 1st round pick (TOR)

TOR

Trouba, Jacob

WPG

OTT

Dano, Marko
Kapanen, Kasperi
Nielsen, Andrew
2019 1st round pick (TOR)
2019 2nd round pick (WPG)

WPG

Karlsson, Erik ($500,000 retained)

OTT

Buyouts

Mark Stuart: $583,333

Buried

Ben Chiarot: $375,000 ($1,400,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2019
2020
2021

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$79,500,000	$75,350,000	$0	$3,912,500	$4,150,000

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Connor, Kyle $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW UFA - 1	Scheifele, Mark $6,125,000$6,125,000 C UFA - 6	Wheeler, Blake $5,600,000$5,600,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Ehlers, Nikolaj $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 7	Roslovic, Jack $894,166$894,166 ($212,500$212K) C, RW UFA - 2	Laine, Patrik $925,000$925,000 ($2,650,000$3M) C, RW, LW UFA - 1
Perreault, Mathieu $4,125,000$4,125,000 LW, RW, C M-NTC UFA - 3	Little, Bryan $5,291,667$5,291,667 C, RW NMC UFA - 6	Vesalainen, Kristian $925,000$925,000
Copp, Andrew $1,000,000$1,000,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Lowry, Adam $2,916,667$2,916,667 C UFA - 3	Tanev, Brandon $1,150,000$1,150,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Lemieux, Brendan $839,167$839,167 ($200,000$200K) LW, RW UFA - 1		Griffith, Seth $650,000$650,000 RW, C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Morrissey, Joshua $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Hellebuyck, Connor $6,166,667$6,166,667 G UFA - 6
Poolman, Tucker $775,000$775,000 RD UFA - 3	Byfuglien, Dustin $7,600,000$7,600,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Brossoit, Laurent $650,000$650,000 G UFA - 1
Kulikov, Dmitry $4,333,333$4,333,333 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Myers, Tyler $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD UFA - 1
	Morrow, Joe $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Connor, K.		Scheifele, M.		Wheeler, B.
	Laine, P.		Karlsson, E.

Power Play 2
Ehlers, N.		Roslovic, J.		Vesalainen, K.
	Morrissey, J.		Byfuglien, D.

Penalty Kill 1
	Lowry, A.	Copp, A.
	Kulikov, D.	Myers, T.

Penalty Kill 2
	Scheifele, M.	Wheeler, B.
	Poolman, T.	Byfuglien, D.

Aug. 15, 2018 at 10:44 a.m.

PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

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Can it be Brown instead of Kapanen? Or maybe Johnsson?

Aug. 15, 2018 at 10:44 a.m.

csick

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Personally, I don't think Ottawa would bite at this package while helping Toronto get better. If Ottawa was getting Trouba + Lowry/Stanley + 1st, theyd rather get that tbh

Aug. 15, 2018 at 11:46 a.m.

palhal

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Quoting: csick

Personally, I don't think Ottawa would bite at this package while helping Toronto get better. If Ottawa was getting Trouba + Lowry/Stanley + 1st, theyd rather get that tbh

It's not like the Ottawa would be in competition for the Leafs for the next two years (Trouba's stay with the Leafs) for a playoff spot. IMO Ottawa can get a better return elsewhere though
What's all these Neilsen trades?

Aug. 15, 2018 at 11:51 a.m.

TotheNorth

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Quoting: palhal

rumors based on him changing his instagram affiliation away from TOR and liking ANH

Aug. 15, 2018 at 11:56 a.m.

palhal

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Quoting: TotheNorth

rumors based on him changing his instagram affiliation away from TOR and liking ANH

Thanks for the info. He's strictly minor league. I wish him the best in his quest to be an NHLer, but just saying, let's not fool ourselves thinking he has value in an NHL trade.

Aug. 15, 2018 at 12:04 p.m.

TotheNorth

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Quoting: palhal

Thanks for the info. He's strictly minor league. I wish him the best in his quest to be an NHLer, but just saying, let's not fool ourselves thinking he has value in an NHL trade.

No the speculation is he's a piece to a bigger puzzle

Aug. 15, 2018 at 12:28 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Thanks for the info. He's strictly minor league. I wish him the best in his quest to be an NHLer, but just saying, let's not fool ourselves thinking he has value in an NHL trade.

He's a good prospect how does he not have value?? Only reason he's not here is because of how stacked in LHD depth the Leafs have. Maybe not a top 4 guy but he's got potential to be a top 6 D.

Aug. 15, 2018 at 1:08 p.m.

palhal

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Quoting: DJSums17

He's a good prospect how does he not have value?? Only reason he's not here is because of how stacked in LHD depth the Leafs have. Maybe not a top 4 guy but he's got potential to be a top 6 D.

He was benched on many Marlies playoff games. Just on the Marlies he has been passed by Rosen, Borgman, Liljegren and Sandin and Durzi are eligible to be Marlies. Add vets Marincin and LaVorde, and newbie Lindgren, where is there spot for him? After last year I just don't think he's real NHL prospect.

Aug. 15, 2018 at 1:16 p.m.

DJSums17

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Quoting: palhal

He was only benched cause of Dermott. When Dermott wasn't there he played and played well.
Lilegren, Lindgren, LoVerde all RHD
Marincin, Borgman, Rosen are LHD that CAN play right side which btw at least 1 will be on the Leafs
Sandin is going to Sweden, you sure Durzi is Marlies eligible?
Either way there is a spot for Nielsen

Aug. 15, 2018 at 3:57 p.m.

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I don't understand how Toronto gives up the better assets and gets the weaker player? For WPG to only give up a 2nd, Trouba and Dano for Karlsson is outrageous. TOR giving up Kapanen and a 1st would be a bit of an overpayment for one year of Trouba, but if he was to come with an extension, TOR could throw in a 3rd or 4th and I think that's fair value

Aug. 16, 2018 at 9:35 a.m.

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TotheNorth

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Quoting: dirtysaucedonny

It's actually 1 year @ 5.5M then 1 year of RFA with arb rights so 2 years control of Trouba. Gives them the ability to try and re-sign him after jan 1st for 1.5 years.

Aug. 17, 2018 at 9:05 a.m.

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Quoting: TotheNorth

It's actually 1 year @ 5.5M then 1 year of RFA with arb rights so 2 years control of Trouba. Gives them the ability to try and re-sign him after jan 1st for 1.5 years.

Ok so with this in mind, WPG is still fleecing this deal, with TOR giving up way more and getting the weaker player. I just don't see how that happens? Why would TOR not just give up the same pieces and get a year of Karlsson, and then try the same thing you're suggesting they do with Trouba?

Aug. 17, 2018 at 4:00 p.m.

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TotheNorth

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Quoting: dirtysaucedonny

So depends on what theory you prescribe to. Toronto gets a 24 year old RHD instead of a 28 year old Karlsson whos more likely to decline in an 8 year deal than Trouba. The other factor is with Tavares, Matthews, Marner all making big money deals, adding Karlsson at the rumored 10-12M might not be as feasible as a 6.5-8M Trouba. Also OTT likely WILL NOT trade in the division. Use the Hoffman deal as reference where SJS seemingly got a better return for Hoffman than OTT did because they refused to trade him within the division (or were told they couldn't).

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