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Team: 2018-19 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 15, 2018
Published: Aug. 15, 2018
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Patches signs a $6.5M x 5 year extension.

Faulk is a good fit for 2 years. Boqvist will be ready in 2 years allowing the Hawks to let Faulk walk and move up Jokiharju to play in Faulk's place, Boqvist in 2nd or 3rd pairing his first year with Seabs trading places with him. Year after, Boqvist moves to first line and Jokiharju 2nd line and Seabs 3rd line.
Trades
1.
CHI
  1. Faulk, Justin
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Anisimov, Artem
  2. Forsberg, Anton
  3. Forsling, Gustav
  4. 2019 2nd round pick (CHI)
  5. 2019 4th round pick (BOS)
2.
CHI
  1. 2019 2nd round pick (OTT)
3.
MTL
  1. Iacopelli, Matheson
  2. Rutta, Jan
  3. 2019 1st round pick (CHI)
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2018 1st round pick Nicolas Beaudin
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2020
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2021
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23$79,500,000$64,758,045$1,232,500$4,757,500$14,741,955
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$833,750$833,750
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$2,775,000$2,775,000
C
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UFA - 1
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LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
C
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C, LW, RW
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
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C
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
NMC
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$925,000$925,000
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UFA - 1
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Aug. 15, 2018 at 11:55 p.m.
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I wouldn't move that 2019 1st. That draft class is so deep it's too risky to move it. I'd trade Mitchell before I trade that 1st.
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Aug. 15, 2018 at 11:58 p.m.
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Quoting: NickC1988
I wouldn't move that 2019 1st. That draft class is so deep it's too risky to move it. I'd trade Mitchell before I trade that 1st.

I would maybe trade trade the 2020 pick but similar value for a 2019 first would be Mitchell and krys
Aug. 15, 2018 at 11:58 p.m.
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Quoting: NickC1988
I wouldn't move that 2019 1st. That draft class is so deep it's too risky to move it. I'd trade Mitchell before I trade that 1st.


I agree I'm hesitant. However, if Hawks pick up Faulk and Patches both and Crawford is healthy, this team goes to the playoffs so that pick will be a mid to late 1st rounder, while by design, I traded with OTT to get an early 2nd rounder.
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Aug. 15, 2018 at 11:59 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
I agree I'm hesitant. However, if Hawks pick up Faulk and Patches both and Crawford is healthy, this team goes to the playoffs so that pick will be a mid to late 1st rounder, while by design, I traded with OTT to get an early 2nd rounder.


About that OTT trade.... Don't think they're moving picks for any player at this point. Unless they plan on competing and keeping their big guys. But I can't see that.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Itz_Kane_88
I would maybe trade trade the 2020 pick but similar value for a 2019 first would be Mitchell and krys


I hate the idea of trading Mitchell. I like that kid a lot. Seabs is going to get bought out before the contract is done, I'm confident of it and something to do with the new CBA. In 2021/2022 I could see a lock down right side for long term with Boqvist, Jokiharju, Mitchell. That would make a hell of a right sided defense for long term. Chad Krys I'm not as fond of.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:01 a.m.
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About that OTT trade.... Don't think they're moving picks for any player at this point. Unless they plan on competing and keeping their big guys. But I can't see that.


Yeah but Murphy is still really young and Karlsson is gone on the right. They are going to need a young step in now 1st or 2nd pairing. Again, this assumes they get a boatload for Karlsson and that 2nd round pick isn't quite as valuable.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:01 a.m.
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I would maybe trade trade the 2020 pick but similar value for a 2019 first would be Mitchell and krys

I would move the D prospects that are going to be hard to sign with the given log jam Stan created before I move anymore 1st rounders. I'm perfectly fine with a top 4 of Forsling Boqvist Beaudin and Jokiharju in a few years. Krys and Mitchell are good expendable assets in my opinion.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:03 a.m.
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Yeah but Murphy is still really young and Karlsson is gone on the right. They are going to need a young step in now 1st or 2nd pairing. Again, this assumes they get a boatload for Karlsson and that 2nd round pick isn't quite as valuable.


I see what you're saying, but if they're trading Karlsson, they're tanking. They need all the picks they can get to make up for losing that top 5 pick.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:03 a.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
I hate the idea of trading Mitchell. I like that kid a lot. Seabs is going to get bought out before the contract is done, I'm confident of it and something to do with the new CBA. In 2021/2022 I could see a lock down right side for long term with Boqvist, Jokiharju, Mitchell. That would make a hell of a right sided defense for long term. Chad Krys I'm not as fond of.
what about guys like Forsling Murphy and Gustafsson who I believe play right side as well
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:04 a.m.
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thats a return that would keep MB' attention
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:04 a.m.
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I would move the D prospects that are going to be hard to sign with the given log jam Stan created before I move anymore 1st rounders. I'm perfectly fine with a top 4 of Forsling Boqvist Beaudin and Jokiharju in a few years. Krys and Mitchell are good expendable assets in my opinion.


Forsling is a big question mark. I think Hillman and Mitchell both have more upside then Forsling. Krys, Forsling, Dahlstrom, Carlsson, Gilbert are all movable in my opinion as of now comparing the talent. Hillman is going to surprise a lot of people is my bet. Tuulola is a dark horse possibly.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:05 a.m.
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I see what you're saying, but if they're trading Karlsson, they're tanking. They need all the picks they can get to make up for losing that top 5 pick.


But still need to hit the floor. Murphy has a relatively big salary, is still young and plays on the right. Those would all be an asset for OTT.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:06 a.m.
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what about guys like Forsling Murphy and Gustafsson who I believe play right side as well


Forsling and Gus play Left. Murphy is a stop gap for the Hawks which is why I traded him here.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:08 a.m.
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Forsling is a big question mark. I think Hillman and Mitchell both have more upside then Forsling. Krys, Forsling, Dahlstrom, Carlsson, Gilbert are all movable in my opinion as of now comparing the talent. Hillman is going to surprise a lot of people is my bet. Tuulola is a dark horse possibly.


Forsling is much more rounded than Hillman in my opinion, Hillman looks like a Hjalmarsson type, not bad at all, I'd take that, on the bottom pair. Forsling is much more proven, he played really well in Rockford too. 13 points in 41 NHL games isn't terrible, and he's the same age as Hillman. Time will tell, Forsling's injury will give Hillman a chance to prove himself.
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Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:12 a.m.
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Forsling is much more rounded than Hillman in my opinion, Hillman looks like a Hjalmarsson type, not bad at all, I'd take that, on the bottom pair. Forsling is much more proven, he played really well in Rockford too. 13 points in 41 NHL games isn't terrible, and he's the same age as Hillman. Time will tell, Forsling's injury will give Hillman a chance to prove himself.


Very different players in that Forsling is more offensive guy and Hillman is a stay at home guy. Comparing points between the two for that reason is not a good comparison. The Right side is going to have the offensive guys in Jokiharju, Boqvist, Mitchell with the left being more stay at home in Keith, Beaudin and Hillman. From a balance perspective, Forsling doesn't work if the right shakes out this way. However, as long as Seabs is around, then they need someone on the left who is offensive minded and that's why Gus and him work well together from what we saw last year.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:14 a.m.
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Very different players in that Forsling is more offensive guy and Hillman is a stay at home guy. Comparing points between the two for that reason is not a good comparison. The Right side is going to have the offensive guys in Jokiharju, Boqvist, Mitchell with the left being more stay at home in Keith, Beaudin and Hillman. From a balance perspective, Forsling doesn't work if the right shakes out this way. However, as long as Seabs is around, then they need someone on the left who is offensive minded and that's why Gus and him work well together from what we saw last year.


I wouldn't exactly call Beaudin defensive, he's been a PP specialist in Drummondville. I think these guys will develop into the new age defensemen nicely. The Ryan Ellis/Roman Josi run and gun types with fantastic stick work. I don't think there will be much offensive and defensive defensemen anymore. Just a bunch of rovers.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:16 a.m.
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I wouldn't exactly call Beaudin defensive, he's been a PP specialist in Drummondville. I think these guys will develop into the new age defensemen nicely. The Ryan Ellis/Roman Josi run and gun types with fantastic stick work. I don't think there will be much offensive and defensive defensemen anymore. Just a bunch of rovers.


There's some truth in that except I think teams who do best will keep 2 stay at home defenders. Keith and Seabs will be those guys.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:18 a.m.
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There's some truth in that except I think teams who do best will keep 2 stay at home defenders. Keith and Seabs will be those guys.


For how long? Seabrook isn't Rafalski and Keith isn't Lidstrom. They're running out of time.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:24 a.m.
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For how long? Seabrook isn't Rafalski and Keith isn't Lidstrom. They're running out of time.


Seabs plays 3 more seasons and then gets bought out or retires. As for Keith, now is the time where he determines if he goes down as a legend and one of the best ever to play defense. He has the ability to play 5 more seasons for sure but he's going to have to dramatically change his diet, workouts, and the way he plays.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:26 a.m.
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Seabs plays 3 more seasons and then gets bought out or retires. As for Keith, now is the time where he determines if he goes down as a legend and one of the best ever to play defense. He has the ability to play 5 more seasons for sure but he's going to have to dramatically change his diet, workouts, and the way he plays.


Keith is still good, last season was really flukey for him, didn't really handle the puck like we all are used to seeing. Part of the reason he didn't score many goals is because he didn't want the puck or something. I know he can still be elite for a couple more years. Needs to get his legs back I think, who knows.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:29 a.m.
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Keith is still good, last season was really flukey for him, didn't really handle the puck like we all are used to seeing. Part of the reason he didn't score many goals is because he didn't want the puck or something. I know he can still be elite for a couple more years. Needs to get his legs back I think, who knows.


I think he definitely gave up for the last 3rd of the season but even in the start, there is no doubt the miles are catching up to him. He can still be a 1st pairing on any team, but changing his game to more a stay at home guy and Q giving him 15% less minutes would do wonders for him.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:31 a.m.
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I think he definitely gave up for the last 3rd of the season but even in the start, there is no doubt the miles are catching up to him. He can still be a 1st pairing on any team, but changing his game to more a stay at home guy and Q giving him 15% less minutes would do wonders for him.


His cap hit is definitely manageable too, so he doesn't have to be amazing. Just top 4 and I'll be happy, same with Seabrook. I agree they do need role reductions, but who steps in? Murphy? Rutta? Jokiharju? Boqvist makes the team in 19-20 for sure and he could handle it. I think this season may be another stop gap year if they can't play top minutes.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:40 a.m.
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His cap hit is definitely manageable too, so he doesn't have to be amazing. Just top 4 and I'll be happy, same with Seabrook. I agree they do need role reductions, but who steps in? Murphy? Rutta? Jokiharju? Boqvist makes the team in 19-20 for sure and he could handle it. I think this season may be another stop gap year if they can't play top minutes.


Jokiharju will be fine if he is paired with Keith and Keith stays at home. If jokiharju is paired with Gus he is going to fall flat. The best move, assuming they don't get Faulk, is to keep Murphy and Keith together, Seabs and Gus and Manning and Jokiharju/Rutta. Ease Jokiharju in on the 3rd line. By mid to 2/3rds through, move him to the 1st line with Keith. Boqvist, I'm torn whether he is ready at the start of 2019/2020 or you wait till the end of the season. Given that they signed him, I'm guessing boqvist starts in 2019/2020.

If i'm managing the team, I'm moving Rutta at the TDL for anything that's for sure. Murphy goes in the offseason assuming Jokiharju looks good this year. Then next year you have to play Ian Mitchell in to see what you have. The shitty thing is with Murphy, Rutta, Mitchell, Jokiharju, Boqvist and Seabs all on the right side, 3 of those players need to go in the next two years...max 3 years. That's going to be the hard part which is why Rutta is gone at the TDL and Murphy in the offseason at the latest. Then between 2019/2020 and 2020/2021, one of Seabs, Jokiharju, Boqvist or Mitchell are going to get moved.

On the left side, there's not a clear 1st/2nd line guy besides Keith. Gus? Maybe. Beaudin, too early to say. Forsling, Hillman, Krys Dahlstrom, Carlsson, Gilbert I think are no more then 3rd pairing guys.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 12:46 a.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
I agree I'm hesitant. However, if Hawks pick up Faulk and Patches both and Crawford is healthy, this team goes to the playoffs so that pick will be a mid to late 1st rounder, while by design, I traded with OTT to get an early 2nd rounder.


Habs would probably be very happy with a Pacioretty package based on Beaudin and a 1st rounder, even if it's the 2020 first rounder from CHI instead. Lots of good players in that draft too. Montreal needs high end assets to build around even if they are 3-5 years away from being NHL ready. I doubt Chicago would offer that much, and i also doubt the Max P could be re-signed at $6.5M. More likely over $7.0M, since his ask from LA was $8.0M. Just my opinions of course. Nice trade scenarios.
Aug. 16, 2018 at 1:00 a.m.
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Habs would probably be very happy with a Pacioretty package based on Beaudin and a 1st rounder, even if it's the 2020 first rounder from CHI instead. Lots of good players in that draft too. Montreal needs high end assets to build around even if they are 3-5 years away from being NHL ready. I doubt Chicago would offer that much, and i also doubt the Max P could be re-signed at $6.5M. More likely over $7.0M, since his ask from LA was $8.0M. Just my opinions of course. Nice trade scenarios.


Well part of the reason $8m was asked from LA is due to the 13% income tax rate in California. Illinois is 5% in comparison. So $8M in CA is like $7M in IL. Also, playing in Chicago's likely in every players top 5 teams they'd like to play for. Chicago has the biggest fan base 10 years in a row selling out every game in one of the largest stadiums. Not to mention he'd play on a line with Kane and either Toews or Schmaltz in the middle. Plus, he's not getting Evander Kane money since he is older. JVR is being overpaid IMO.
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