Winnick and Moore on the the team? I would think Borgman and Ohiganov would get more $$$ if they are NHLers. At age 25 Rosen, he better be more than a "depth prospect". He's either an NHLer or not.

Trevor Moore is just kinda 14th guy who would play in AHL and would be the first call up. And Winnik would be 13th guy and he deserves to be on the team. He was one of the hardest working guys when we sucked and I think he would be a very good 13th forward. Also there is money to re-sign Ozhiganov and Borgman for more but I think they would not command more since those are just 2yr deals, but we never know.

Ozhiknov is just one year away from being a UFA, much how Zaitsev was due to his age. If he NHL good, I can't see him foregoing a year of UFA for so little. Winnick hasn't got an NHL contract (for whatever reason) now, I can't see him in the NHL in the 2019.

That might be true with Winnik. And yes Ozhiganov is one year shy of UFA and other option contract wise is Hyman kinda deal (2.25x4) but as I said, there is a cap space.

As Leaf fan, I'm hoping Oz is NHL good. Even if he is competent getting a 2.25m Dman as you suggest would fair, and then having Liljgegren and Zaitsev (or Larsson) would fill the right side nicely. Hopefully the two second rounders....Durzi and Rasenen are coming in a few years

I see Durzi and Räsänen knocking on doors of the NHL in 2020, but that would take atleast to 2021, 2022 until they are full time.

I don't think you are getting Hall out of Edmonton without a 1st rounder moving. Especially with trading Zaitsev's contract there also

Hall is not value of Larsson lol, that trade was horrendous! They are not going to get Hall value on Larsson.. I know that trade happened but Zaitsev would actually be an upgrade over Larsson offensively and in the case of 2-way game and Zaitsev with Nurse or Klefblom would be a perfect pairing.

There is a certain investment factor you have to remember. Everyone is working for their job and when you make a deal like that and sell it to you boss (owner) you can't really go turn around and then make this trade. I think they are sticking with Larsson until he either wants out or leaves personally. I do like the deal though just think you need a 1st in there and I would also do it

Oh yeah.. I get that. And adding 1st to that deal would not really hurt Toronto since Larsson is great in POs and the pick would be in the range of 25-30 which doesnt really hurt honestly.

Would be a solid piece to the D. Where is Gardner?? Lol

GONE!!! lol Im almost 100% sure Toronto doesnt re-sign Gardiner after 18/19 season, just like JVR..

You have 5 Stars because he’s looking at this from the TOR perspective. Not good enough value for Larsson. You’re trading someone who compares as:
• the same number of points in ‘18
• career -18 versus +44
• one year older
• almost 300 less games of NHL experience
• $300K increases salary
• horrible advanced statistics vs decent advanced stats
• undrafted vs #4 overall pick (not of value inherently, but still indicative of skill and potential)

Edmonton just lost their most experienced defenseman, and now your solution to them is to take away their second? You know they see themselves as a playoff team right? Larsson is far from being in the block. When that’s the case you need to give a fantastic offer to get an organization to let go of someone they want to retain. This feels like the opposite

Look at the other part from Edmonton Oilers part, its just under this part. Also it counts on Bouchard being NHL ready and he is Shea Weber 2.0 trust me. He would be great.

First of all its trade in 2019 preseason as you might read probably, also in the scenario it counts redemption from Zaitsev and that he would be very solid, which might help Oilers as he is better 2-way player and has better defence-to-offence transition than Larsson by miles, also can double the Larsson points and be solid on D without loosening D core.. And also helps offensively.

As for your comparables:
-the same amount of points in good season for Larsson compared to worst possible season from Zaitsev (in 3 less games and horrible illness in January) and he for sure would be atleast 40pt player in NHL in 2018/19
-career -14 versus +44.. Im not taking anything from Larsson, but Zaitsev when he posted -22 in 16-17 was playing with arguably the least defensive line in the league in JVR-Bozak-Marner and paired with Gardiner (who we know is bad defensively), he is a plus player with decent teammates with him. Also +/- is shitty stat.
-if you are 25 or 26 it does not matter in this league, as soon as the difference is more than 3yrs age does not matter.
-NHL experience does not matter.. or does it make Duchene better player in comparable to Panarin (1yr year difference) because he has 411 more games in NHL? No..
-300k is almost nothing
-advanced stats are sometimes misleading, you got to look into it from stats and eyetest standpoint.. combine those two in 2018/19 season when Zaitsev hasnt got TERRIBLE season.. they would be similar.. advanced stats say that Polak is comparable to Ristolainen lol..
-position on the draft or not being drafted does NOT matter.

I get what you are trying to say but that deal is from stats, playwise and contract wise pretty fair.

In a Toronto pipe dream I’ll agree with all of that. You basically are adept at seeing only the best in Zaitsev and ignore all the risk and red flags, and then simultaneously make the trade a year out with the assumption that his year 1 is the standard of play for him rather than the regression he realized in his most recent year of play. Yes, a lot of these factors are that it’s a slight edge to Larsson, however add up a bunch of slight edges in addition to a few not so slight ones I mentioned and there’s very little upside present for Edmonton. Post this trade from the an Edmonton Armchair GM and see the reaction you get. I’m a fan of a pacific division rival and still can tell you this is not an offer that would be entertained

I get what you are saying. Im not seeing everything good in Zaitsev, Im realistic in him because I know his capabilities as an NHL defender. He can be realistically 40pt player. If I know something about players its players from Maple Leafs. This year was one off and next year he would be good again, Im not saying he would be norris candidate, just that he would be better than many predict. I see red flags and risks in his game, but I know his capabilities, I watched him before he joined Leafs in KHL.

In addition to that bad EDM trade, why on Earth would Minny trade an actually decent prospect for a backup goalie we don't need?