Does Franzen have a career-ending skin disease too? Very peculiar how everyone getting paid 1mil at the tail end of their contract are injured.

Edit: I did not realize he has been out for years from PCS. Brutal.

Yeah, it is rough, however, I think if you are Ottawa, you know he is going to collect that 1 mil, which he very much should, and it is good for your cap.

Not sure on the rest, but Toronto laughs at you for even suggesting this trade. Gardiner has been vilified in the media after what was the worst game of his career, but he is a number 1 LD that is very good offensively, and sufficient defensively. His problem is not so much defensive, but decision making, which on top of being a much smaller and controllable problem, is also still able to be fixed even though he is well into his career. Even without that, no one is taking Ceci for anything. He is one of if not the worst D-men in the league statistically, and the eye test is not flattering either. He is also paid more than Gardiner. You might get a 3rd from a team looking for a bottom pairing O-zone start only Dman that can add some offence, maybe, but not a #1 LD like Gardiner.

Just for those reading who don't thing Gardiner is a #1 D, he and Zaitzev were our top pairing last season on the 11th (or 12th) best D core in the league by pk% and goals against respectively. His flaws are massively overstated thanks to one bad showing in a season where he was solid Defensively (but not perfect by any stretch) and excellent offensively.

tl;dr
Leafs say no.

Hey man, I'm a Leafs fan and agreed 100%, I'm just trying to help Ottawa, I think a 1 for 1 is a better trade, but the non-Leaf fans would say I'm nuts even though we both know Jake is a top 10 LD in the League, but Ceci has at least another year of control vs Jake who will leave on July 1. this picks are for the control and for the record, if Dubas got Ceci, he would fix him. I think Reilly would enjoy playing with him too, anyway, you are right but maybe the Leafs feel charitable to the lowly sens.

As I said, at best Ceci is worth a 3rd, maybe. The leafs might give up Neilsen and a 4th if you asked nicely tho. Ceci for Gardiner one for one would get Dubas fired, and rightly so.

What do you think they do with Jake, try and win a cup and let him walk, or do you see maybe a Myers Gardnier swap, because that just makes sense to me from a positional need on both sides or is the Top pair Reilly-Gardnier and we just chuckle as they both carve opponents with those beautiful stretch passes.

Leave it. The D will sort itself out. Let me elaborate:
Rielly is a stud
Gardiner is good
Dermott is a potential top 2 dman, guaranteed top 4/#3 guy that can play both left and right.
Zaitzev will bounce back. He got sick and never recovered. He was fine in early season.
Carrick, Oz, and holl will be fine as extra guys, Oz could even make the full jump and be Rielly's partner.
Carrick *could* become a #4 guy / 2nd pairing RD. I think if like him on the 3rd pair, and that is likely where he stays, but maybe he breaks out.

Keep Gardiner at deadline like we did with JVR, Try and re-sign him for like 4.75 - 5 for 7 or 8 (term for cap trade off), if he walks, fair enough.
19-20 lines could be:
Rielly - Oz (Oz could really be something)
Dermott - Zaitzev
Borgman/someone - Liljegren

If Oz doesn't work out:

Rielly - Zaitzev
Dermott - Carrick
Borgman - Liljegren
Holl

Or even:
Rielly - Dermott
Borgman - Zaitzev
Rosen - Carrick
Holl.

And all of that assuming Gardiner leaves. Convince Gardiner to stay at a discount and you can move Dermott to the right or even Rielly and really have a solid D core. Gardiner - Rielly was statistically one of the best D-pairs in the game, Rielly - Dermott could be great, and hell maybe even Gardiner Dermott could be good.

Yup yup yup. So you know I am on the exact some page, trade no one use the team. I think they have 10 dmen for a reason. People re high on Ozz if he works out it goes from the medias biggest fear, how how how to hilariously a position of strength.
Also most in not all Marlies analysts say that by game 30 in the AHL Liljegren looked like the guy that was said to be going 2nd overall, imagine that, without mono ge has greatly improved.
Asthma and mono have us Johnsson and Liljegren
The leafs cornered the market on sick swedes with high upside.

I'd just like to add that I think Zaitzev is best suited to be a 2nd pair guy (not that he cant play 1st like last year, just that he'd dominate on 2nd pair) and that should be the leafs goal in this. Hopefully Oz and or Liljegren will make that easy for us to do.

Also, and I'm not trying to be optamistic, people hated Zaitsev lstbyear.
He had like 5 things go wrong. If you look at his world championship numbers and then find footage on YouTube, like he looks outstanding.
I wonder I'd Dubas shows that Babcock and there is just a constant effort to use him better.
Let's be honest as well, he will get less questions this year as well with that 91 in the locker room.

Gardiner is astronomically better than Ceci so I assume you made a mistake on who gives those picks in the trade

I'm a Sens fan, but these are terribly high returns for the Sens. Detroit isn't giving up anything for player on LTIR. Can't people ever learn the ramifications or lack of ramifications for a player of LTIR. Leafs don't need Ceci now or even long term. These trades for Karlsson are getting foolish. He isn't worth that much to team who might finish out the playoffs again anyway. God, Tampa has plenty of centres, certainly don't need the ordinary Pageau. Tampa doesn't the Sens to a middleman if they can trade Callaghan to the Rangers.

DAL with EK makes the playoffs, the problem is so many player like Hanzal and Cala have NTC/NMC....they ait waiving to go to OTT.

I think, simile to the Brassard trade with Vega last year, Ottawa should be a side bar. Callahan does jo waive to go to Ottawa, but if half his salary is in Ottawa and then he gets to go to NY I think it makes a lot of sense.
The Leafs used cap space to get assets. If the sens do the same for players on 1 and 2 year deals they could help many teams in the league and I think they could simply clean the roster out so after the expansion draft of 2020 Ottawa comes out with kids and prospects.

Hanzal probably has the sens on a no trade list but I think so get Miro they need to make it easier for Dallas to sign EK and Seguin.

I think if Dallas who has those big 3 forwards, all middle aged, need to have an LA kind of approach and go for it.
Hieskanen is a good player but he my not ever be EK of if he gets close to that Level Benn, Radulov and Bishop will all be old.
I do not know if the west has ever been as weak as it is, Winnipeg and Nashville are the only contenders, Dallas with a true number 1 D yo yo with that line could challange a team like Winnipeg, again I am not saying they would be victorious but 10 years of Karlsson, they could have a chance for a cup.

Benn 29 Radulov 32 Seguin 26 Bishop 31 EK 28

He fits perfectly in this mix, yes Hieskanen is going to be really good, but Erik already is.

Maybe Hieskanen reaches his level in 5 years
Benn 34 Radulov 37 Seguin 31 Bishop 36, it might be too late. The cap is going to clip Winnipeg, Dallases window is now and have a 2-time Norris winner rips that window open. I think it is a no brainer for both teams.

yes Dallas window in the next 5-6 years for certain, Spezza 7m+ cap comes off next year and Dal can buyout Hanzal if need be, they can both afford Duch, EK and Seguin next year. (i did a post on cap freindly about that before)

True true, I think a buyout is possible, but I do not know if it is worth next years cap implication, I think the ask Arizona what pick it would take to rid them of Hanzal, he played there for a long time and they could actually be good this year, so if Zona wanted him for 2 years and Dallas tossed them a 2nd round pick, I think that gets it done.