Overpayment by chicago

Chicago says no all day long DeBrincat=Nylander and the rest of that garbage does not equal boqvist... that islanders trade is bad on both sides.

Debrincat has a 1 good season and equals Nylander , and Boqvist is not nhl proven yet.

Debrincats career high in goals is more than nylanders in half the time

Yes that is correct, 1 season 2 seasons does it matter to Chicago? Your right boqvist isn’t but he most likely will be a good nhl defencemen carrick won’t .... I’ll let the Chicago fans call you out for this if they don’t just laugh and pass it by. I don’t hate nylander for DeBrincat, his contract would make things very easy next season. Sometimes I think too easy.

Nylander has had 2...

DeBrincat getting 55 points at a 778,000 is miles better than getting 60 points out of Nylander while having to pay him 8-9 million...

As a chicago fan id take Boqvist and Cat over the non cost controlled player who is asking for the moon despite only getting 61 points this deal does wonders for the leafs cap but ****s up Chicago's cap

As a Blackhawks fan I agree with you and others saying this is an overpay. Would do DeBrincat for Nylander in terms of value, like that D-cat is still on entry level though.

Debrincat's trade value is higher than Nylander's at this exact moment. While Nylander may be the better player, his situation hinders his trade value. Not many teams want to pay him what he wants. And then adding Boqvist is just a slap in the face.

Only way I trade DeBrincat is if it's for a 80 point forward or too pairing D man in his prime. And we both know there's none of those available.

Or Chicago trades with Arizona to get their 3rd round pick back and off-sheets the kid after dumping Anisimov.
I would give up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for Nylander.

Oh sure I think most teams in the league would. but are the hawks going to be good or will that 1st be a lottery pick?

I think most assume it could be a lottery pick. Outside of Hughes I would take a developed and proven top 10 talent (Nylander) over the possibility that Chicago drafts in the top 10 and selects a player that eventually becomes better than Nylander. If the Blackhawks finish with a lottery pick, the holes in the line-up indicate that they would try to draft an elite winger, so trade for one now with that pick and make the most of Keith, Kane and Toews years. Write down the Blackhawks top 6 with Willie in it - hard to imagine they won't compete for wildcard.

Fair point and I agree with you. Could use a nice forward prospect but Nylander would put the team much closer to the cup than a prospect would.

My concern then would be cap space of course. Schmaltz needs a big raise.

No doubt.

Considered that myself. Rutta and Ward are off the books next year. That would free up over 5$ Move Murphy in the offseason and it shouldn't be a problem. DeBrincat the following year could be covered by the departure of Crow (6 mil) and cap increases.

EDIT: Kruger's cap hit disappears after this season too.

And a dumb leafs trade leads to a dumb offer sheet... stupidity breeds stupidity.

The issue with this trade (other than value) and the offer sheet is cap space. You don’t have it. To lure nylander away from a contender like the leafs to a team like Chicago (no disrespect meant) would be something like 8m+ this puts him out of range of us matching this offer as well. I would assume you would have to go for 8m over 5 years to keep under the the next tier. So now you have lost what will probably be a top ten pick plus a second and third. Only to over pay for a guy like nylander by 2m. Not to mention the fall out of the offersheet. Does nylander win you a cup? I doubt it. Leafs on the other hand now have 2 firsts 2 seconds and 2 thirds in a very strong draft year and lots of cap space to work with. Sure we would rather have nylander on our team but after that offersheet which team is worse off?

And what if it costs 8.5m....

I would consider paying 8. Would certainly pay 7.5. He would be a touch over paid for an off-season. If he comes out and puts up 70+ pts he is earning the contract. It really isn't a silly idea as far as Chicago is concerned.

At 7.5m he doesn’t sign and leafs could potentially match. To be honest I think it would need to be 8.5 for him to actually sign it. Either way this means you would need to immediately get rid of anisimov and then cap crunch next year. Probably lose DeBrincat when we offersheet him ?. All the while leafs have the depth to replace him. But hey if you want to give up a 1st,2nd and 3rd plus DeBrincat for nylander.... lol. I’ve never been to worried about offer-sheets they rarely happen and never seem to work out. You always end up overpaying. In cap era nhl you can’t overpay players and be competitive.

My reply to your idea of it not being silly for Chicago is that it is silly for any team. I would think in Chicago’s case it’s time for a rebuild. I think your contracts on the D will hinder this. Far to high priced and long term. Some good drafting and development could turn those 3 picks into something better than nylander at a good time for your team.

Hawks need cap space. They would prefer Debrincat's two years of ELC compared to Nylander's...new contract (which was never mentioned in this post).
Can't see the Hawks wanting to trade Boyquist for an iffy NHLer Carrick and a never to be NHLer Neilsen.

Also worth noting DeBrincat scored 50+ points almost entirely in a bottom 6 role. Never playing with Kane or Schmaltz his most frequent linemates were Sharp and lance freaking Bouma while also not getting power play time until half way into the season. Nylander scored only a few more points while Nylander spent 60% of the season with Matthews and the other 40% playing with Marner, Marleau, Kadri.