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If the Penguins really want Nylander

Created by: LetsTalkNHL
Initial Creation Date: Oct 10, 2018
Published: Oct 10, 2018 at 5:22 pm
Team: 2018-19 Pittsburgh Penguins
Team Explanation
Leafs want a RHD and I cannot see it being Letang. It will take more than just Schultz, so a 1st and Sprong are added. Penguins need to take a dman back, so Hainsey is part of it. Hagelin is put in for cap reasons, and the Penguins take Leivo back.

Leafs can get better offers.. this might not even be enough.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Nylander, William6$7,000,000
Trades
PIT
  1. Hainsey, Ron
  2. Leivo, Josh
Additional Details:
Rights to William Nylander
TOR
  1. Hagelin, Carl
  2. Sprong, Daniel
  3. Schultz, Justin
  4. 2019 1st round pick (PIT)
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Carl Hagelin: $250,000 (6%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
2019
PIT
PIT
BUF
PIT
PIT
VGK
2020
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$79,680,000$0$982,500-$180,000
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$734,167
LW, RW
UFA - 1
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
Nylander, William
$7,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 6
TOR
Leivo, Josh
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
PIT
Kessel, Phil
$6,800,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
PIT
Brassard, Derick
$3,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
Hörnqvist, Patric
$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Simon, Dominik
$750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Sheahan, Riley
$2,100,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
PIT
Cullen, Matt
$650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
PIT
Grant, Derek
$650,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 5
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Murray, Matt
$3,750,000
G
RFA - 2
PIT
Oleksiak, Jamie
$2,137,500
LD
UFA - 3
PIT
Johnson, Jack
$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
PIT
Määttä, Olli
$4,083,333
LD
UFA - 4
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$925,000
D
RFA - 1
TOR
Hainsey, Ron
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
$650,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Oct 10, 2018 at 5:30
#1
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If Nylander wanted that deal, the Leafs would of signed it.
Oct 10, 2018 at 5:37
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Quoting: goodfella
If Nylander wanted that deal, the Leafs would of signed it.


Nylander wants more now because he knows Marner and Matthews will get big increases, so he wants to stay close to them. On a team like Pittsburgh, $7M AAV puts him just over Kessel and not too far off Crosby and Malkin. Although it is not the exact same context, Turris signed a deal in Nashville he was unwilling to sign in Ottawa. Nylander might take less knowing he's a lot closer to everyone.
Oct 10, 2018 at 5:49
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Burla
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This is one of the more fair trades I have seen. I think the Leafs ask for 1 more pick maybe a 2nd ot 3rd in a few years, but logic is good.
And yeah Willy would need 8 I think.
Oct 10, 2018 at 6:04
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Quoting: burla13
This is one of the more fair trades I have seen. I think the Leafs ask for 1 more pick maybe a 2nd ot 3rd in a few years, but logic is good.
And yeah Willy would need 8 I think.


Thank you! And yeah I guess a little raise to 7.5-8M would make sense.
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Oct 10, 2018 at 6:46
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Quoting: LetsTalkNHL
Nylander wants more now because he knows Marner and Matthews will get big increases, so he wants to stay close to them. On a team like Pittsburgh, $7M AAV puts him just over Kessel and not too far off Crosby and Malkin. Although it is not the exact same context, Turris signed a deal in Nashville he was unwilling to sign in Ottawa. Nylander might take less knowing he's a lot closer to everyone.


Is that the reason? He wants to make close to what others will? I'm curious for a source for that. Also, when Malkin and Crosby signed those deals, their % of the cap was WAY higher than it is now. So it really isn't the "same".
Oct 10, 2018 at 6:50
#6
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Quoting: goodfella
Is that the reason? He wants to make close to what others will? I'm curious for a source for that. Also, when Malkin and Crosby signed those deals, their % of the cap was WAY higher than it is now. So it really isn't the "same".


A lot of analysts have said that Nylander does not want to sign for a certain amount this season and see Marner/Matthews make considerably more next season. I do not know if it's official and it makes sense. As for the AAV, I can see it going up to 7.5-8M.
Oct 10, 2018 at 7:18
#7
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Quoting: LetsTalkNHL
Nylander wants more now because he knows Marner and Matthews will get big increases, so he wants to stay close to them. On a team like Pittsburgh, $7M AAV puts him just over Kessel and not too far off Crosby and Malkin. Although it is not the exact same context, Turris signed a deal in Nashville he was unwilling to sign in Ottawa. Nylander might take less knowing he's a lot closer to everyone.


Not really the point of what you're saying, but that Thing about Turris not being open to signing that deal in Ottawa was a flat out lie from Melnyk and Dorion. Was never offered that deal. Julie Turris called this out when that story surfaced. Only reason Duchene trade happened is because Melnyk didn't want to pay Turris.
Oct 10, 2018 at 7:24
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Not really the point of what you're saying, but that Thing about Turris not being open to signing that deal in Ottawa was a flat out lie from Melnyk and Dorion. Was never offered that deal. Julie Turris called this out when that story surfaced. Only reason Duchene trade happened is because Melnyk didn't want to pay Turris.


Ahh thanks for that! Did not know.
Oct 10, 2018 at 7:25
#9
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Any deal for Nylander starts with Guentzel. Probably Schultz+Guentzel, which if I was a PIT fan, I'd still do.
Oct 10, 2018 at 7:25
#10
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so giving up 4 good pieces for nylander? heavy pass
Oct 10, 2018 at 8:03
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
Any deal for Nylander starts with Guentzel. Probably Schultz+Guentzel, which if I was a PIT fan, I'd still do.


I can't see the Penguins doing that. They love Guentzel and would not trade him.
Oct 10, 2018 at 8:06
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Quoting: awesome
so giving up 4 good pieces for nylander? heavy pass


You are getting a 22 year old who has put up 60+ points in the past 2 seasons. Schultz is an important piece, but you need to give something to get something. Sprong has potential, but is not proven. He is getting 4th line minutes right now. Hagelin is good but replaceable. The first will be a late one if the Penguins make this trade so that is not their biggest concern. ZAR can come up and you still acquire Leivo in this deal.
Oct 10, 2018 at 8:06
#13
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Quoting: LetsTalkNHL
I can't see the Penguins doing that. They love Guentzel and would not trade him.


They do love him, but Nylander is a much better dynamic player. But I understand PIT love his playoff scoring.
Oct 10, 2018 at 8:10
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Quoting: LetsTalkNHL
Nylander wants more now because he knows Marner and Matthews will get big increases, so he wants to stay close to them. On a team like Pittsburgh, $7M AAV puts him just over Kessel and not too far off Crosby and Malkin. Although it is not the exact same context, Turris signed a deal in Nashville he was unwilling to sign in Ottawa. Nylander might take less knowing he's a lot closer to everyone.


Money is money.
Oct 10, 2018 at 8:51
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Money is money.


Agreed. 8M is still great for a 22 year old!
Oct 10, 2018 at 10:33
#16
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Pens don’t want him that bad. Schultz isnt getting traded unless he is replaced. Pens pass. Especially since our RW position is fine. If Nylander shot left, it may be worth talking about, but since that’s not the case, no use in even considering it.
 
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