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Petro/Parayko the one I listed was for Parayko but if Petro Gardiner is added
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  1. Clague, Kale
  2. Kempe, Adrian
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (LAK)
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    Nylander
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    1. Marincin, Martin
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (TOR)
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      2. Liljegren, Timothy
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      Oct. 16, 2018 at 9:51 a.m.
      #26
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      Quoting: Random2152
      Q: Can we fit everyone with Nylander at 6.5?
      A:
      Yes, and it is not even close. I will even go a touch high on the depth.
      Forwards: $60 000 000 (<-- I swear that was an not on purpose lol, also did it totally by memory YAY!)
      Hyman(2.25)-Tavares(11)-Marner(8)
      Marleau(6.25)-Matthews(11)-Kapanen(3)
      Nylander(6.5)-Kadri(4.5)-Brown(2.1)
      Johnsson(1.5)-Lindholm(1.5)-Grundstrom(0.925)
      Leivo(0.800)-Goat(0.675)

      Defence: $14 607 499
      Rielly(5)-Dermott(0.863,333)
      Ohziganov(1.5)-Zaitzev(4.5)
      Borgman(0.925)-Liljegren(0.894,166)
      Rosen(0.925)

      Goalies: $5 800 000
      Andersen(5)
      Sparks(0.800)

      Total = $80 407 499
      Salary cap = $82 500 000 (BoG says 81.5 with no inflation and NHLPA says 1.25% inflation, which is 82.5)


      You're underpaying Nylander and Matthews. Do u really think that Nylander wants just 6.5? If he's asking only 6.5, I'm pretty sure that Toronto would already re-sign him. He's probably asking for something like 7.5M. And as for Matthews, well...if you guys want to pay him "just" 11M, so you'll have to pray a lot to his current performance drops a lot. Otherwise, he'll ask for a McDavid contract. Nothing less than 12.5M.
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 9:58 a.m.
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      Trade #3 w/ Edmonton: Edmonton can't send off 3 nonroster/ELC players and a 1st and still fit Nylander in under the cap. Unless Sekera retires his cap hit will be coming back.
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:05 a.m.
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      Quoting: herzausstein
      Trade #3 w/ Edmonton: Edmonton can't send off 3 nonroster/ELC players and a 1st and still fit Nylander in under the cap. Unless Sekera retires his cap hit will be coming back.


      they can cap dump Lucic and Russell
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:05 a.m.
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      Quoting: herzausstein
      Trade #3 w/ Edmonton: Edmonton can't send off 3 nonroster/ELC players and a 1st and still fit Nylander in under the cap. Unless Sekera retires his cap hit will be coming back.


      somewhere
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:05 a.m.
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      Quoting: Willian_Cardoso
      You're underpaying Nylander and Matthews. Do u really think that Nylander wants just 6.5? If he's asking only 6.5, I'm pretty sure that Toronto would already re-sign him. He's probably asking for something like 7.5M. And as for Matthews, well...if you guys want to pay him "just" 11M, so you'll have to pray a lot to his current performance drops a lot. Otherwise, he'll ask for a McDavid contract. Nothing less than 12.5M.


      Nylander is not worth a cent over 6.5 million. You are right that he wants more, but that is fair value (on a 6 year deal). It is a misconception that Nylander is holding out for more. That is not the case: The Leafs are holding out for below market value (6 million). All comparables have Nylander at 6.25-6.5 on a 6 year deal.

      As for Matthews, McDavid won three trophies his contract year. If Matthews wants that, he needs to win some combo of: Rocket, Ted Lindsey, Hart, Conn Smythe, and the Art Ross. On top of that, McDavid is in a different league than everyone else. Stats show Matthews is a better version of Eichel. On top of that, the Leafs have an internal cap with JT's 11, who is actually a very good comparison for Matthews. Add to that the fact that JT left money on the table, is a UFA (more expensive) with a bidding war, and Matthews promised to be here for the long run, and you get 8@11. Don't let media figureheads tell you that every leafs player is worth 10 million, and Matthews worth McDavid because they are not.

      If McDavid had a team around him even average in the league, he would be putting up 120+ points a year easy.

      I will link some cap charts here to explain it:
      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/877874
      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/884206 <--- Please note that this one is unfinished, but what is there goes deep into why the players should be making what.
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:06 a.m.
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      Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
      I mean toronto fans think he isn't worth it and think Nylander is worth way more, but if it gets you a solid #1 RHD then I would take it,


      That's my point and that's why I'd be pretty tough negotiating Pesce. It's much easier to find a talented RW than a top pairing RHD.
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:06 a.m.
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      Quoting: MG1986
      I imagine the criteria for the Leafs to consider any possible deal would be finding a RHD defenseman that could step in immediately and make an impact. So, automatically that would cancel the Edmonton and LA scenarios. Definite overpayment for Brett Pesce and I am sure the Leafs would want some form of relatively long-term control over any player they bring in. Although it would be wonderful to have Alex Pietrangelo, I cannot see the Leafs selling off so much of their futures for only 2 years guaranteed of him and I can't see the Blues willing to shop their captain. The most ideal of scenarios is working out a deal with Edmonton that would include Evan Bouchard. Not only is he on an ELC deal, but he would be exempt from any Seattle expansion draft. Of course, dealing with Edmonton would require the Leafs to take back some contracts.


      the thing is I don't see a problem with the D and I have doubts that they sign all of these guys who need to be signed thats why I brought in a few more prospects instead of keeping Nylander
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:08 a.m.
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      Quoting: Willian_Cardoso
      You're underpaying Nylander and Matthews. Do u really think that Nylander wants just 6.5? If he's asking only 6.5, I'm pretty sure that Toronto would already re-sign him. He's probably asking for something like 7.5M. And as for Matthews, well...if you guys want to pay him "just" 11M, so you'll have to pray a lot to his current performance drops a lot. Otherwise, he'll ask for a McDavid contract. Nothing less than 12.5M.


      Matthews is not McDavid 12M for Matthews.also Nylander 6.5 is reasonable for like 4-5 years he isn't getting 8M nowhere near the most I would offer is 7M
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:10 a.m.
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      Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
      the thing is I don't see a problem with the D and I have doubts that they sign all of these guys who need to be signed thats why I brought in a few more prospects instead of keeping Nylander


      Yeah prospects are perfectly fine, but I am sure the Leafs would insist on bringing in a piece that could make an immediate impact on defense. The Leafs should have signed Kapanen to an extension this summer, similar to the type of money they gave Brown or Hyman. Oh well for that.
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:24 a.m.
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      Quoting: Random2152
      Nylander is not worth a cent over 6.5 million. You are right that he wants more, but that is fair value (on a 6 year deal). It is a misconception that Nylander is holding out for more. That is not the case: The Leafs are holding out for below market value (6 million). All comparables have Nylander at 6.25-6.5 on a 6 year deal.

      As for Matthews, McDavid won three trophies his contract year. If Matthews wants that, he needs to win some combo of: Rocket, Ted Lindsey, Hart, Conn Smythe, and the Art Ross. On top of that, McDavid is in a different league than everyone else. Stats show Matthews is a better version of Eichel. On top of that, the Leafs have an internal cap with JT's 11, who is actually a very good comparison for Matthews. Add to that the fact that JT left money on the table, is a UFA (more expensive) with a bidding war, and Matthews promised to be here for the long run, and you get 8@11. Don't let media figureheads tell you that every leafs player is worth 10 million, and Matthews worth McDavid because they are not.

      If McDavid had a team around him even average in the league, he would be putting up 120+ points a year easy.

      I will link some cap charts here to explain it:
      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/877874
      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/884206 <--- Please note that this one is unfinished, but what is there goes deep into why the players should be making what.


      Of course Nylander don't worths more than 6 or 6.5M, but he thinks he worths. So, the obvious question here is, he will accept 6 or 6.5M or he'll ask to be traded? Idky. We'll see...

      As for Matthews, it's pretty obvious that he's not a McDavid type player. No one is. Just Crosby was one day (even better to me, but that's not part of our dialogue, so let's move on here...lol). But the when you have a cap raise and inflation, the salaries bases goes high as well. That's why I think Matthews can ask for something like 12 or 12.5M. But if I were him, I'd do something like Crosby did for the Pens. I'll give Toronto some discount to build the best team possible to win many cups as possible. So, I'd get a 11M contract. Maybe 10 or 10.5M...
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:26 a.m.
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      Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
      Matthews is not McDavid 12M for Matthews.also Nylander 6.5 is reasonable for like 4-5 years he isn't getting 8M nowhere near the most I would offer is 7M


      Pls, take a look at my explanation about Matthews and Nylander in my statement for Random. I'm too lazy to write again. Lol
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 10:39 a.m.
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      Quoting: Willian_Cardoso
      Of course Nylander don't worths more than 6 or 6.5M, but he thinks he worths. So, the obvious question here is, he will accept 6 or 6.5M or he'll ask to be traded? Idky. We'll see...

      As for Matthews, it's pretty obvious that he's not a McDavid type player. No one is. Just Crosby was one day (even better to me, but that's not part of our dialogue, so let's move on here...lol). But the when you have a cap raise and inflation, the salaries bases goes high as well. That's why I think Matthews can ask for something like 12 or 12.5M. But if I were him, I'd do something like Crosby did for the Pens. I'll give Toronto some discount to build the best team possible to win many cups as possible. So, I'd get a 11M contract. Maybe 10 or 10.5M...


      Honestly, without cap inflation, Matthews is worth 10 over 8 years. 11 is with the inflation. If you look at JTs SATs, he had an amazing contract year too, and ended up with 11. Even if Matthews blows his totals out of the water, I still think he gets 11. Even if he is above I think he can be argued down. Also reports say there have been some talks of a 5 year deal or something... I do not like that as an idea, but the cap hit would be like 8 million...
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 1:56 p.m.
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      Honestly, without cap inflation, Matthews is worth 10 over 8 years. 11 is with the inflation. If you look at JTs SATs, he had an amazing contract year too, and ended up with 11. Even if Matthews blows his totals out of the water, I still think he gets 11. Even if he is above I think he can be argued down. Also reports say there have been some talks of a 5 year deal or something... I do not like that as an idea, but the cap hit would be like 8 million...


      It's something arguable. I'm pretty sure that Matthews will wait till the end of the season to re-sign. Specially playing like he is. I'm not saying he deserves to be paid like McDavid. But I won't be surprise at all if he asks something like 12M, if he keeps his points pace. On the other hand, give him just 5 years would be a huge mistake. He's the franchise player. His value is above JT. Specially in Toronto. The kid was drafted in Toronto, so...you have to give him an 8 year contract, whatever salary Leafs intend to pay him.
      Oct. 16, 2018 at 3:00 p.m.
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      Quoting: Willian_Cardoso
      It's something arguable. I'm pretty sure that Matthews will wait till the end of the season to re-sign. Specially playing like he is. I'm not saying he deserves to be paid like McDavid. But I won't be surprise at all if he asks something like 12M, if he keeps his points pace. On the other hand, give him just 5 years would be a huge mistake. He's the franchise player. His value is above JT. Specially in Toronto. The kid was drafted in Toronto, so...you have to give him an 8 year contract, whatever salary Leafs intend to pay him.


      Well, yeah. Matthews will ask for 12, and the team will counter with 10 and what do ya know?!? Its 11! I agree on the 5 years thing being a mistake. I am however wondering if going 6 years would be more beneficial (with a 9aav). It all depends on cap hits, and we don't know where that would fall anyway so its an irrelevant convo. One year might not seem like a ton but in terms of a contract like this, it is huge. That being said, 8 all the way.

      Yes, his value on its own AM > JT
      But JT was UFA with a massive bidding war. We are buying mostly RFA years from Matthews, which should keep that all in check.
       
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