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Created by: mhockey91
Team: 2016-17 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: May 4, 2016
Published: May 4, 2016
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Calgary is desperate for a goalie and when GMs are desperate they can make bad decisions. After all, worse trades have happened
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,500,000
1$3,000,000
Trades
CGY
  1. Fleury, Marc-André
  2. Kunitz, Chris
  3. Sprong, Daniel
Additional Details:
2016 2nd round pick
Beau Bennett
Retained Salary Transactions
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$74,000,000$68,346,974$0$3,372,500$5,653,026
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$667,500$667,500 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 9
$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,300,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
$1,875,000$1,875,000
LW
UFA - 3
$1,900,000$1,900,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
$625,000$625,000
RW
UFA - 2
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
$640,000$640,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$625,000$625,000
LW
UFA - 2
$700,833$700,833 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,300,000$3,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
$3,333,225$3,333,225
LD
UFA - 6
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 1
$628,333$628,333 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
G
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
UFA - 1
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 2
$2,100,000$2,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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May 4, 2016 at 12:40 a.m.
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I like the trade good deal for both sides. Penguins get D depth Cap relief from fluery and a wicked #3 center. Flames get a Starting goalie and wing depth. Well thought out.
May 4, 2016 at 12:46 a.m.
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Lol no
May 4, 2016 at 1:16 a.m.
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Quoting: BurnEmUp
Lol no
agreed
May 4, 2016 at 8:54 a.m.
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Lol no
agreed
explain how
May 4, 2016 at 9:37 a.m.
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Well the OP"s whole premise is based on the Flames GM being "desperate" and "making a bad decision".

He's not desperate, we just finished year #3 of a complete tear down and rebuild. Bennett is going to be a cornerstone of the Flames future, and I would bet my house that Treliving is not going to trade him for an aging goaltender. If that's the asking price for, we keep Bennett (and Brodie, and Hamilton, and Gaudreau, and Monahan for that matter) and find another goalie somehow, or wait it out until the market for goaltenders gets even softer.

It's supply and demand. There is going to be way more goaltenders on the market than there will be teams that need them, thanks to expansion. The Penguins are going to be in a really tough spot because of this. Fleury has a No-Move Clause, which means he has to be protected by the Penguins in an expansion draft. You can only protect one goalie so the Pens will have to expose Murray unless they can trade MAF. That won't be easy because MAF also has a limited No-Trade Clause and there is only really 3 or so teams that will be actively looking for a goalie (Calgary, Toronto and Carolina) and way more teams looking to unload one because they have two and can only protect one. Some of those teams:

STL - Allen/Elliot
TBL - Bishop/Vasilevskiy
PHI - Mason /Neuvirth
ANA - Gibson / Andersen
COL - Varlamov/Pickard
CLB - Bobrovsky/Korpisalo
MIN - Dubnyk/Kuemper

Not to mention Howard is likely going to be available, rumors are out there that the Isles want to move Halak to save cap because Greiss has been good as the starter.
There are upcoming UFA's like Reimer, Enroth and Ward.

Pens will not be dealing Fleury from a position of strength, so Pens fans should temper their expectations on any trade return he might fetch, and I certainly wouldn't be hoping for a "Sam Bennett" if I were you guys.
May 4, 2016 at 11:41 a.m.
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Quoting: BurnEmUp
Well the OP"s whole premise is based on the Flames GM being "desperate" and "making a bad decision".


Jay Feaster isn't the GM anymore.
May 4, 2016 at 11:45 a.m.
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Although I agree with BurnEmUp or the value of Fleury and Bennett, there are thing in mentioned I think are incorrect.
First there has been no expansion announced. Apparently NTC can be exposed. Elliiot Bishop, Mason, Neurvirth currently are UFA at the end of the 2017on seas. So they likely can't be protected and llkely won't be drafted because they are free agents. Columbus would expose the over priced Bobrovsky....he wouldn't be picked and likely Varlamov wouldn't be either at 5.9m.
BurnEmUp is correct there is going to "lots" of goalies available. He mentioned Carolina, Calgary and Toronto, yea they are looking for long term net solutions, but that doesn't mean they have to rush things this summer.
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May 4, 2016 at 12:08 p.m.
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Although I agree with BurnEmUp or the value of Fleury and Bennett, there are thing in mentioned I think are incorrect.
First there has been no expansion announced. Apparently NTC can be exposed. Elliiot Bishop, Mason, Neurvirth currently are UFA at the end of the 2017on seas. So they likely can't be protected and llkely won't be drafted because they are free agents. Columbus would expose the over priced Bobrovsky....he wouldn't be picked and likely Varlamov wouldn't be either at 5.9m.
BurnEmUp is correct there is going to "lots" of goalies available. He mentioned Carolina, Calgary and Toronto, yea they are looking for long term net solutions, but that doesn't mean they have to rush things this summer.
o



Yes those goalies are slated to become UFA's at the end of next season, all that means however is that those goalies are going to be available one way or another, and the Flames won't have to give up the likes of Sam Bennett to acquire them.

Also, yes NTC can be exposed, but like I said NMC have to be protected and Fleury has one to go along with his limited NTC. If the Pens don't trade him then they will have to protect him and leave Murray exposed in the event of expansion.
May 4, 2016 at 12:43 p.m.
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Quoting: BurnEmUp
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Although I agree with BurnEmUp or the value of Fleury and Bennett, there are thing in mentioned I think are incorrect.
First there has been no expansion announced. Apparently NTC can be exposed. Elliiot Bishop, Mason, Neurvirth currently are UFA at the end of the 2017on seas. So they likely can't be protected and llkely won't be drafted because they are free agents. Columbus would expose the over priced Bobrovsky....he wouldn't be picked and likely Varlamov wouldn't be either at 5.9m.
BurnEmUp is correct there is going to "lots" of goalies available. He mentioned Carolina, Calgary and Toronto, yea they are looking for long term net solutions, but that doesn't mean they have to rush things this summer.
o



Yes those goalies are slated to become UFA's at the end of next season, all that means however is that those goalies are going to be available one way or another, and the Flames won't have to give up the likes of Sam Bennett to acquire them.

Also, yes NTC can be exposed, but like I said NMC have to be protected and Fleury has one to go along with his limited NTC. If the Pens don't trade him then they will have to protect him and leave Murray exposed in the event of expansion.


Only full NMC's have to be protected. Limited NMCs can be exposed. But the Pens would be foolish to lose Fleury for nothing in the expansion draft.
May 5, 2016 at 1:44 p.m.
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this is really bad for many reasons,

a backup making 3m behind a star rookie? no thanks.
S Bennett playing wing? no thanks.
Wideman playing top 4 over dumoulin? why?
why is wideman even on this team?
why do we trade sprong for bennett?

1/5
May 5, 2016 at 2:01 p.m.
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Quoting: mtdavis311
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Quoting: palhal
Although I agree with BurnEmUp or the value of Fleury and Bennett, there are thing in mentioned I think are incorrect.
First there has been no expansion announced. Apparently NTC can be exposed. Elliiot Bishop, Mason, Neurvirth currently are UFA at the end of the 2017on seas. So they likely can't be protected and llkely won't be drafted because they are free agents. Columbus would expose the over priced Bobrovsky....he wouldn't be picked and likely Varlamov wouldn't be either at 5.9m.
BurnEmUp is correct there is going to "lots" of goalies available. He mentioned Carolina, Calgary and Toronto, yea they are looking for long term net solutions, but that doesn't mean they have to rush things this summer.
o



Yes those goalies are slated to become UFA's at the end of next season, all that means however is that those goalies are going to be available one way or another, and the Flames won't have to give up the likes of Sam Bennett to acquire them.

Also, yes NTC can be exposed, but like I said NMC have to be protected and Fleury has one to go along with his limited NTC. If the Pens don't trade him then they will have to protect him and leave Murray exposed in the event of expansion.


Only full NMC's have to be protected. Limited NMCs can be exposed. But the Pens would be foolish to lose Fleury for nothing in the expansion draft.


There is no such thing as a limited NMC. You either have an NMC or you don't.

Fleury has a No-Move Clause (NMC) and a Limited No-Trade Clause (NTC)

The No-Move Clause prevents him from being sent to the minors, the Limited No-Trade Clause allows him to list 18 teams he will allow a trade to (12 he can't be traded to)

If Fleury is not traded before an expansion draft, he will have to be protected and Murray exposed.
 
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