It's not what TheDream_43 thinks

It's what the best offer out there is

Keeping Nylander, if possible for both sides to agree on $7x7, will kick the can down the road and force Dubas into harder choices with bigger potential losses

No one WANTS to trade Nylander. The Islanders didn't want to lose Tavares either

stop trading Nylander for 2nd pairing players.... pssst.....Nylander isnt a top line elite talent either. back to back 20 goal 60 point seasons is great but stacking up to the rest of the NHLer, what makes him a lock to get Stud top pairing Dmen?

Nylander is a good young player but hes not a franchise player so to get a solid Top 4 Dman for him, thats not like its out of the realm of value for value

But leaf fans also do not want to pay the guy anything either.............

Lol right. They keep saying Nylander is a great elite player, but also say he shouldn’t be making around $7.5 mill. Makes no sense

It's not what TheDream_43 thinks, it's common sense. How many 20-21 year olds put up back to back 60 point seasons the answer is not many.

I'm not saying they won't trade him, It's up in the air right now. They won't trade him for a guy to sit in their middle pair though.

Wrong. He's not a franchise player, I'm not saying you get a franchise Dman for him. 60 point rookies that REPEAT that success at a young age are a lot more valuable than a plug and play second pairing Dman.

A second pairing Dman would suggest he's at best around the 60th best Dman in the NHL. Therefore, if you're going to argue that William Nylander is not a top 90 forward in the NHL, you're delusional.

Nylander is probably worth 7.5 million, he's an RFA with no negotion rights. Look at pasta, worth well over that value but had little leverage to argue it.

Leafs fans: “Nylander is a top line elite top 10 RW in the NHL. #1 D man ++ or no deal!”

*Nylander asks to be paid like a top line elite top 10 RW*

Also leafs fans: “Nylander just isn’t worth what he’s asking...he should take a pay cut because of intangible reasons!”

Pasta could of done the same as what Nylander is doing, he just chose not to.

Nylander has every right to do what he is doing. Just because another player chose not to do it doesn’t mean he has to do the same.

Completely agree, but irrelevant to the fact that Dubas won't trade him for an average Dman

Nylander isnt a stud top line offensive driver, he is a great complimentary player who can play with Elite talent. You dont want to pay him that would consider him this star talent that leaf fans claim he is but expect teams to trade stars back for him.

I think there might be a bit of a disconnect of what Nylander is, what he is worth and what he would get in a trade return. Hes a good player, hes not a star player a team building around. Nylander was 70th in NHL points last year. Which is a good year of production from. him but I dont think its some superior production that teams will tear down their roster for especially if they have to pay him 7m plus for

The thing is the talk is the leafs have given up trying to reason with nylander and something tells me even if they offer that contract he will counter with 8 million seeing he thinks he's the most under used player that never had a proper centre to bring out he talant (I'm obviously being sarcastic). So when you look at the players available there really is only 2 teams that can make a proper offer CAR and STL. Thats due to their need for more offense and depth in areas the leafs need it. Pesce is the perfect complement to reilly so is Parayko. So odds are it will be one of those 2 comming to the leafs. Saying that CAR have wanted Nylander since preseason and knew going in the leafs weren't going to gift wrap him. So though more pieces will need to be involoved Nylander and Pesce will be the 2 big peices moving.

The longer this goes the worse it gets for the Leafs. No one is going to overpay for a 60pt winger who wants 7-8 mil. If he sits out this year his value next year will drop. Who wants to trade a top D man for someone who sat out a year?

cherry picking his last 2 seasons....Nylander is the 15th in RW points, and 22nd in RW goals. Top 10 is only in the mind of the fan base

That’s the current market if Dubas is looking to trade Nylander though. It’s not like teams are going to be lining up with a #1 D in hand to go after Nylander.

We get Dubas in a perfect world signs him. Not the cards he’s being delt unfortunately.

Calling Nylander a "60 point winger" is one of the main reasons for the ridiculous trade takes.

at 20 Barkov had 59 points. Thornton had 60 points as a 20 year old (In an easier league). Ehlers 60 points at 20. Kessel 61 points at 21. Johnny Hockey 61 points at 23!!!

Nylander took on top comps at 20 albeit with Matthews, but also playing a lot less than most first line players (Played games on L4 and with AM too)

Where is this information that this is "The current market" how many players at this age and caliber have been traded lately? Hall where Chia's head was put on a stake for it?

Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones happened years ago, arguably A TOP 5 DMAN IN THE ENTIRE NHL for a "60 point player".

Johansen put up a 70 point season before being traded, and a 30 goal season before that as well as being a complete 2 way Center. Nylander has yet to put up that offensive production and is not a complete 2 way centre, Hes a one dimensional scoring winger thats why

There aren't enough teams right now that can both afford his contract demands and that also have spare elite top pairing defenders on reasonable contracts that they are willing to move. I think they should sign Nylander, play the year out with him, and trade him at next year's draft. The Leafs are a bit handcuffed and the reality is is that they may have to take a bit of a hit on a future trade since other team's GMs know that as well as anyone here on capfriendly. But if you consider that the reason Toronto is going to be tight against the cap is because they were able to land Tavares and that Matthews has blossomed right away into a superstar, its not the worst situation for a team to be in at all. The Wings have cap issues and they suck.

The thing is how many of them had a franchise player on their line? And how many of them were at that time conidered by almost everyone asking for 2 million more than value? Thats the issue here all leafs like nylander and think he's has great upside the problem is he wants a salary matching a player that has proven to be a point a game. So seeing he neither wants a bridge nor a long term contract at anything close to market value Dubas has been forced to rectify the situation by trading him. He may end up being a phil kessel but there is a reason kessel was traded he was one dimentional and was not a team player sound familiar. So i wish nylander all the best with his future team but to expect any team no matter their cap situation to over pay up by 2 million dollars cause players better than them are going to get paid is the dumbest excuse for an overpay ever. But fans who were going on for years about nylander as the best are to blame just as much as willie dad he got it in his head hes worth this somehow.

The issue right now is that Leafs fans want (and expect) a “Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen” deal for Nylander. It’s not going to happen.

1. Nylander isn’t RyJo. At the time Johansen had a 30goal season and another 70pts season as a #1 C under his belt.
2. NSH had more defensive depth then they knew what to do with back then (Weber, Jones, Ellis, Josi, Ekholm). No team today has anything close to that caliber of depth.

It was a perfect situation for both teams back then. Today there’s no situation like that on the horizon. Especially with an expansion draft that recently happened (which made losing a Dman far too easy) and another coming up in a few years. Dman depth is and will be hard to come by. We are much more likely to see deals like “Hall for Larsson” then “Jones for Johansen” ever again.

I'm not arguing that Nylander gets you Seth Jones, but the gap between Nylander and Johansen (At the time of the trade) is a lot smaller than the gap between Jones and the players being mentioned. I don't disagree that Dumba (for example) wouldn't make sense for MIN to trade for him. But anything less than a guy that can step into your top pair wouldn't make sense for the Leafs. There are plenty of teams that have reportedly contacted Toronto regarding him, PHI CAR etc mentioned as "All in". Pesce/Sanheim for Nylander is not all in.

Also, Nylander was never given the opportunity to be a center. That's probably one of the main sticking points in the contract negotiations.

Meant to quote you in my previous post. My bad.

yeah I just responded to the Seth Jones was trade for Ryan freaking Johansen comment....Ryjo is a more complete Top line player than Nylander, pretty simple trade based on the situations you outlined as well.
With the fact you still have to resign Nylander to his contract asks, who in their right mind are going to trade a stud top pairing Dman, especially one signed long term already for Nylander. Best thing leafs can do is try to sign him, play him this year, and move him in the offseason when teams are more likely to make big moves. The damage is done with that relationship and Nylander as a leaf is on borrowed time

At the time, Ryjo put up a 70 point season and. 30 goal season before trading. Nylander hasn't done that. Not sure the point you are trying to make here. You claimed he was. 60 point player that landed Jones, but he wasn't...thats why that trade was made. There is still a big game, at the time of his trade Johansen has better offensive numbers, while playing 1C, and being a stud defensively.

Nylander is a great offensive talent, no one is denying that, but he has shown he is one dimensional so far in his NHL career. He might not be given the chance to play C bc he just might not be good enough defensively to stack up against teams top lines as a Center. He is made to be a winger in this league

Ehlers had a better scoring line than Nylander did as Hyman is an offensive downer. Big joe did it in an era where 60 points means much less. And ALL of them averaged much more TOI than him.

I believe it was Friedman that mentioned leafs may step their offer up to "pasternak deal". Meaning the negotionations are nowhere near 8 million. Every number you hear is hearsay as we have no factual evidence on what the dispute and offers are. Saying someone is "overpaying him 2 million" is incorrect.

I am in no way arging the contract dispute doesn't put a downer on the leafs, but Dubas is not making his first big move (other than JT) to lose severely on a trade that sends out a potential star for a guy that "stabilizes his middle pair"