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Win-Win Nylander Acquisition

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Team: 2018-19 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 13, 2018
Published: Nov. 13, 2018
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*Assumes everyone is healthy.
Nylander for 8yrs/6.25M is a handsome salary for a 2nd liner at his production.
Timmins shows some great potential, Meloche is added depth, Jost and COL 1st are "Compensation"
I think this helps solve Colorado's immidiate need without hurting their future and Toronto's current and future needs.
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8$6,250,000
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  1. 2019 4th round pick (TOR)
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Nylander signed -8yrs/6.25M
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24$79,500,000$70,048,095$0$1,345,000$9,451,905

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Nov. 13, 2018 at 3:16 p.m.
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wouldnt TOR just sign him if he wanted 6.25?
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Nov. 13, 2018 at 3:21 p.m.
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Nylander wants 8m not 6.25m
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Nov. 13, 2018 at 3:31 p.m.
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wouldnt TOR just sign him if he wanted 6.25?


Quoting: Bloodykisame
Nylander wants 8m not 6.25m


Sakic is a very persuasive man! And I think being able to play with fellow Swede in Landeskog would be attractive. I'm sure he'd take the "discount" haha.
Nov. 13, 2018 at 3:44 p.m.
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1. Not enough money
and 2. why is Colorado giving up so much?
3 really good and young prospects and on top of that a first? man the value for Nylander is nuts. Might aswell just trade him for McDavid and a couple 1st.
Nov. 13, 2018 at 3:51 p.m.
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1. Not enough money
and 2. why is Colorado giving up so much?
3 really good and young prospects and on top of that a first? man the value for Nylander is nuts. Might aswell just trade him for McDavid and a couple 1st.


Desperate times the Avs are sort of in. Might be "overkill" however if signing him for 6.25M was actually realistic, then I'd say not a bad bargain for the long term.
Nov. 13, 2018 at 3:53 p.m.
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Leafs add biggly
Nov. 13, 2018 at 4:12 p.m.
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Jebus H Chrips on a cracker is than a massive overpayment and a terrible deal for the avs
Nov. 13, 2018 at 4:41 p.m.
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Literally the value of 2 or maybe 3 Nylanders, not to mention if Nylander was willing to sign for 6.25 he would have signed 2 months ago
Nov. 13, 2018 at 6:26 p.m.
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Colorado says no
Nylander says no because he already turned down 6.7mill
Nov. 13, 2018 at 6:54 p.m.
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What part of William Nylander wanting $8 million per, Don't you understand. Nylander would've already been signed by now. If he accepted that little.
Nov. 13, 2018 at 8:32 p.m.
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This trade makes absolutely 0 sense. Leafs are in win-now mode, they're not gonna trade Nylander for prospects and picks. None of those players are fully proven to help Toronto win this year or next. Any Nylander deal is going to start with a young, bonafide NHL defensemen. Not prospects who are years away. Plus this trade would just put Colorado in a similar situation soon. Rantanen is going to get a huge raise soon and Kerfoot will get a decent size one too. Plus their back end is highly overpaid.
This deal makes no sense for both sides. Toronto does't get enough or what they need for a deal. And Colorado gets put in a bad situation. Not a chance this wold go down.
Nov. 13, 2018 at 10:51 p.m.
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Desperate times the Avs are sort of in. Might be "overkill" however if signing him for 6.25M was actually realistic, then I'd say not a bad bargain for the long term.


desperate times? Are you even an Avs fan or did you just make this account as a leafs fan over valuing Nylander.

If you were an Avs fan you would have known right from the start of this year, from Sakic to all the outlets that are carrying them that they are in wait and see mode to what they have in their young guys in Jost, Kerfoot, Kamanev, Compher first as Kaut, Bowers, and potential Top 10 pick with the SEns are coming in soon.

The more I think about your comments and move, Leaf fans who made an Avs account is the most likely scenario
Nov. 14, 2018 at 9:23 a.m.
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desperate times? Are you even an Avs fan or did you just make this account as a leafs fan over valuing Nylander.

If you were an Avs fan you would have known right from the start of this year, from Sakic to all the outlets that are carrying them that they are in wait and see mode to what they have in their young guys in Jost, Kerfoot, Kamanev, Compher first as Kaut, Bowers, and potential Top 10 pick with the SEns are coming in soon.

The more I think about your comments and move, Leaf fans who made an Avs account is the most likely scenario


Pretty sure this is called "Armchair GM", not "What would a current GM do"
I am an Avs fan. You don't have to make stupid speculations. Maybe, as an armchair GM, I'd like to be in a win now mode? Leafs don't lose anything from their current roster. They could flip the assets to a team that needs them for whatever it is they want. A 3-way trade perhaps? Ya'll need to relax, isn't this all supposed to be for fun?
Nov. 14, 2018 at 10:10 a.m.
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Pretty sure this is called "Armchair GM", not "What would a current GM do"
I am an Avs fan. You don't have to make stupid speculations. Maybe, as an armchair GM, I'd like to be in a win now mode? Leafs don't lose anything from their current roster. They could flip the assets to a team that needs them for whatever it is they want. A 3-way trade perhaps? Ya'll need to relax, isn't this all supposed to be for fun?


Its a terrible trade, 95% of the comments here are against it, that comes with the territory when you post rosters. When its a bad deal people will go after it.
Nov. 14, 2018 at 10:39 a.m.
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Its a terrible trade, 95% of the comments here are against it, that comes with the territory when you post rosters. When its a bad deal people will go after it.


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Nov. 14, 2018 at 10:47 a.m.
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Thanks for the tip cheers


and to your win now comment, that is a backwards approach to the Avs. They are still a flawed team and not one player away from being a contender. They are on the upswing and have a lot of talent on the roster who are young and more elite talent coming

Trading away 4 prime young assets, you start to close the Avs window before it even begins bc you limit your chances of youth developing into important roles as part of complimentary to the core and you eat up a young chunk of the Cap space they have which will make it harder to keep certain players as they all progress.

Nylander is a nice to have but a trade like that, you torpedo the Avs today and intot he future and are over paying on top of overpaying for a a player that has only shown he is a 60 point player while playing with Matthews and cant play a lick of Defense and isnt a Centre, just an scoring winger. Nylander isnt going to break up the top line, do you think he is going to lit it up on the 2nd line acting as the catalyst on his own? I argue that he does not have that ability
Nov. 14, 2018 at 11:18 a.m.
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and to your win now comment, that is a backwards approach to the Avs. They are still a flawed team and not one player away from being a contender. They are on the upswing and have a lot of talent on the roster who are young and more elite talent coming

Trading away 4 prime young assets, you start to close the Avs window before it even begins bc you limit your chances of youth developing into important roles as part of complimentary to the core and you eat up a young chunk of the Cap space they have which will make it harder to keep certain players as they all progress.

Nylander is a nice to have but a trade like that, you torpedo the Avs today and intot he future and are over paying on top of overpaying for a a player that has only shown he is a 60 point player while playing with Matthews and cant play a lick of Defense and isnt a Centre, just an scoring winger. Nylander isnt going to break up the top line, do you think he is going to lit it up on the 2nd line acting as the catalyst on his own? I argue that he does not have that ability


Isn't secondary scoring all that people have been talking about? Why would you want a top 6 forward to play defence? He's a 2nd liner at 60pts in my opinion, which is stellar. Mackinnon and Landeskog are also "underpaid" given last year and this year's (so far) performance and if they continue, Rantanen will get his raise I'm sure. Truth be told, I decided to "overpay" for the guy cause from what I had noticed, people were giving Nylander a high value. I also understand Nylander wanting his 8M cause in 4-5 years, that'll be a moderate value while still making bank. I didn't think Jost and Timmins would be valued so high. I understand the Avs and Sakic want to trust the process with the "wait and see" but some people just aren't as patient. Jost, Timmins, Meloche and that 1st aren't going to be superstars. Plus, the Avs still have Makar, Kaut, Bowers coming up and Ottawa's 1st and 3rd. I like Jost, truly I do. Timmins I feel will be a bust from being plagued with a concussion injury already (I know they aren't rushing it, which is good and I hope I'm wrong) and I will admit I don't know much about Meloche so I just threw that in. But, like everyone else here, I felt like playing around with assets.
Nov. 14, 2018 at 12:12 p.m.
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Isn't secondary scoring all that people have been talking about? Why would you want a top 6 forward to play defence? He's a 2nd liner at 60pts in my opinion, which is stellar. Mackinnon and Landeskog are also "underpaid" given last year and this year's (so far) performance and if they continue, Rantanen will get his raise I'm sure. Truth be told, I decided to "overpay" for the guy cause from what I had noticed, people were giving Nylander a high value. I also understand Nylander wanting his 8M cause in 4-5 years, that'll be a moderate value while still making bank. I didn't think Jost and Timmins would be valued so high. I understand the Avs and Sakic want to trust the process with the "wait and see" but some people just aren't as patient. Jost, Timmins, Meloche and that 1st aren't going to be superstars. Plus, the Avs still have Makar, Kaut, Bowers coming up and Ottawa's 1st and 3rd. I like Jost, truly I do. Timmins I feel will be a bust from being plagued with a concussion injury already (I know they aren't rushing it, which is good and I hope I'm wrong) and I will admit I don't know much about Meloche so I just threw that in. But, like everyone else here, I felt like playing around with assets.


Avs are a top 10 scoring team in the league (8th)....why do Avs fans scream about secondary scoring, bc its a lazy narrative that they have made up without actually taking the time to look at everything as a whole.
Secondary scoring isnt an issue, its what Avs fans are obsessed about and think they need to torpedo the future so they can maybe get a guy to score 15 more goals for them.

He isnt a 60 point 2nd line player, He isa 60 point player when he gets top line minutes and top PP time. Look at his usage. This isnt hard fo figure out. If you are going to play him on the 2nd line, he is going to have to learn how to be a 2 way player. So yes you want him to play defensive hockey.

Its a bad misguided trade that you havent found one support for, maybe chalk this up as a lose and move on
Nov. 14, 2018 at 12:28 p.m.
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Avs are a top 10 scoring team in the league (8th)....why do Avs fans scream about secondary scoring, bc its a lazy narrative that they have made up without actually taking the time to look at everything as a whole.
Secondary scoring isnt an issue, its what Avs fans are obsessed about and think they need to torpedo the future so they can maybe get a guy to score 15 more goals for them.

He isnt a 60 point 2nd line player, He isa 60 point player when he gets top line minutes and top PP time. Look at his usage. This isnt hard fo figure out. If you are going to play him on the 2nd line, he is going to have to learn how to be a 2 way player. So yes you want him to play defensive hockey.

Its a bad misguided trade that you havent found one support for, maybe chalk this up as a lose and move on


You can't lose in fantasy land. All you're doing is saying I'm wrong and everyone else is wrong. I challenge you to post an upgraded Avs team, if they were to be in a win now mode. Show me where their actual weaknesses lie if it isn't secondary scoring. Show all of here where Nylander should land and for who and how much he'll sign for. Let's see what you've got. Educate me because clearly I've got it all wrong.
Nov. 14, 2018 at 12:33 p.m.
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You can't lose in fantasy land. All you're doing is saying I'm wrong and everyone else is wrong. I challenge you to post an upgraded Avs team, if they were to be in a win now mode. Show me where their actual weaknesses lie if it isn't secondary scoring. Show all of here where Nylander should land and for who and how much he'll sign for. Let's see what you've got. Educate me because clearly I've got it all wrong.


I have said it and posted it. If Avs wanted to win now, an ideal target for now and into the future would be Kevin Hayes. Its not that hard, its why they were interested in Stastny. Both are defensively sound 2 way Centeres, who are good at faceoffs, that can handle heavy D zone starts, and bring secondary offense (50 point players).

Nylander doesnt solve anything, he creates more holes and doesnt address other key issues with the current roster build
Nov. 14, 2018 at 12:50 p.m.
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I have said it and posted it. If Avs wanted to win now, an ideal target for now and into the future would be Kevin Hayes. Its not that hard, its why they were interested in Stastny. Both are defensively sound 2 way Centeres, who are good at faceoffs, that can handle heavy D zone starts, and bring secondary offense (50 point players).

Nylander doesnt solve anything, he creates more holes and doesnt address other key issues with the current roster build


I don't see your team with Hayes or Stastny. What would you trade for them? What would you sign them for? But look where Stastny ended up... The IR. If the Avs needed a 2 way 2nd line center, why'd they draft Kaut? Why'd they sign Calvert? Your Avs playoff team roster had you saying they could use another winger... Hmmm smirk
Nov. 14, 2018 at 1:07 p.m.
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I don't see your team with Hayes or Stastny. What would you trade for them? What would you sign them for? But look where Stastny ended up... The IR. If the Avs needed a 2 way 2nd line center, why'd they draft Kaut? Why'd they sign Calvert? Your Avs playoff team roster had you saying they could use another winger... Hmmm smirk


In the comments previously, have talked about signing stastny would make sense in the summer, and have talked about Hayes being a fit in Colorado at the right price.
You are not adding for them for "secondary scoring" You are adding them for their 2 way ability to be a shut down C against top competition "IF" the Avs are in a win now mode.

You really are a simpleton, pay attention and follow along. That Roster was done in July 1st, it was asking a question do the Avs need another Winger to be a playoff team. Based on seeing what they have in Kerfoot, Kamanev, Compher, and Jost.

And in your scenario, You dont have the Avs adding a winger, you have them replacing Jost and sending back 3 other prime assets. congrats you cant even follow along with your own thought process
Nov. 14, 2018 at 1:29 p.m.
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In the comments previously, have talked about signing stastny would make sense in the summer, and have talked about Hayes being a fit in Colorado at the right price.
You are not adding for them for "secondary scoring" You are adding them for their 2 way ability to be a shut down C against top competition "IF" the Avs are in a win now mode.

You really are a simpleton, pay attention and follow along. That Roster was done in July 1st, it was asking a question do the Avs need another Winger to be a playoff team. Based on seeing what they have in Kerfoot, Kamanev, Compher, and Jost.

And in your scenario, You dont have the Avs adding a winger, you have them replacing Jost and sending back 3 other prime assets. congrats you cant even follow along with your own thought process


No need for being condescending. I'm just trying to have a friendly debate. Instead of trying to belittle, maybe you could educate? You still haven't touched on what the "right price" would be for Hayes or Stastny.

I believe the 3rd and 4th lines are desginated for shut down/defence. 1st and 2nd lines are for mostly skilled players who aim to score. Hence why there are 31 teams with 31 GMs with 31 different ideals. That is mine. I'm not saying you're wrong in your thought process.

I replace Jost and friends with Nylander who is an established talent. Proven talent > what if's every day. Leafs have 2 #C's in Matthews/Tavares. Why couldn't the Avs have 2 #1 RW's?
Nov. 14, 2018 at 1:45 p.m.
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No need for being condescending. I'm just trying to have a friendly debate. Instead of trying to belittle, maybe you could educate? You still haven't touched on what the "right price" would be for Hayes or Stastny.

I believe the 3rd and 4th lines are desginated for shut down/defence. 1st and 2nd lines are for mostly skilled players who aim to score. Hence why there are 31 teams with 31 GMs with 31 different ideals. That is mine. I'm not saying you're wrong in your thought process.

I replace Jost and friends with Nylander who is an established talent. Proven talent > what if's every day. Leafs have 2 #C's in Matthews/Tavares. Why couldn't the Avs have 2 #1 RW's?


A 2nd and a mid level prospect for Hayes or you wait to try to sign him as a UFA, and there is no longer a price for stastny bc it was only during the summer as a UFA.

You are inncorrect, 3rd and 4th liners are not designated for shut down. Its based on player deployment and ice time. Soderberg has been put in that role and he is not good at it. Avs dont need offensive punch if the want to win now.

WHat you are doing is hurting them from winning now and winning in the future.
Nov. 14, 2018 at 1:56 p.m.
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A 2nd and a mid level prospect for Hayes or you wait to try to sign him as a UFA, and there is no longer a price for stastny bc it was only during the summer as a UFA.

You are inncorrect, 3rd and 4th liners are not designated for shut down. Its based on player deployment and ice time. Soderberg has been put in that role and he is not good at it. Avs dont need offensive punch if the want to win now.

WHat you are doing is hurting them from winning now and winning in the future.


If you say so! Guess we'll never know right? I'm saying we can agree to disagree. However:

You are being incredibly vague by not giving names of your 2nd and mid level prospects. Like I said, I'd love for you to make an Avs team right now. I'm a visual learner. You believe adding only Hayes would make the Avs legitimate contenders right now?
 
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