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Leafs 1920

Created by: Redder7
Initial Creation Date: Dec 1, 2018
Published: Dec 1, 2018 at 4:44
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell8$9,000,000
Matthews, Auston8$11,500,000
Ozhiganov, Igor2$1,100,000
Leivo, Josh1$1,100,000
Nylander, William8$6,500,000
Borgman, Andreas2$1,100,000
Johnsson, Andreas2$2,100,000
Kapanen, Kasperi2$3,100,000
Sparks, Garret2$1,000,000
Rosén, Calle2$1,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Lindholm, Pär2$1,100,000
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
1
2
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$84,763,333$0$0-$1,763,333

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$9,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,500,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,100,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$2,100,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Lindholm, Pär
$1,100,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
TOR
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Leivo, Josh
$1,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Ozhiganov, Igor
$1,100,000
RD
UFA
TOR
Sparks, Garret
$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
$1,100,000
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Borgman, Andreas
$1,100,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Grundström, Carl
$925,000
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Kadri, N.
Tavares, J.
Marner, M.
Matthews, A.
Rielly, M.
Power Play 2
Johnsson, A.
Marleau, P.
Leivo, J.
Nylander, W.
Dermott, T.
Penalty Kill 1
Kapanen, K.
Brown, C.
Zaitsev, N.
Ozhiganov, I.
Penalty Kill 2
Hyman, Z.
Lindholm, P.
Rosén, C.
Borgman, A.

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Dec 1, 2018 at 4:52
#1
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Where is Babe Dye ?
Lenny7 liked this.
Dec 1, 2018 at 8:53
#2
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Cap won't be $83M ($82M or $82.5M) and Kap is worth at least $3.5M and maybe $4m or slightly over. This is the problem with Tor if they keep Nylander. They will have to let Kap walk plus find a magical way to get rid of Horton's contract because you can't LITR him until the 1st day of the season putting the Leafs over the cap by too much day 1.
Dec 1, 2018 at 9:31
#3
Jangle29
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Kapanen is not worth 4 mil right now, look at morrissey thats the contract he will likely get or maybe less as hes not so relied on. If he wants to be full time on this roster or in the NHL for that matter he takes this deal. Johnsson also will be closer to 1 mil, hes showed nothing for consistency hence why he took the 700k and change right away last summer as a qualifying offer. He has a long time to prove
Dec 1, 2018 at 9:48
#4
Shipper19
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Cap won't be $83M ($82M or $82.5M) and Kap is worth at least $3.5M and maybe $4m or slightly over. This is the problem with Tor if they keep Nylander. They will have to let Kap walk plus find a magical way to get rid of Horton's contract because you can't LITR him until the 1st day of the season putting the Leafs over the cap by too much day 1.


Kapanen is not worth 3.5-4 million. Max would be 3 on his next deal, which would be a bridge contract 2-4 years. He`s had 25 good games so far as a top6/9 forward. If he can do it for 2-3 years then he can get 4+ a season
Dec 1, 2018 at 9:51
#5
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Quoting: Shipton19
Kapanen is not worth 3.5-4 million. Max would be 3 on his next deal, which would be a bridge contract 2-4 years. He`s had 25 good games so far as a top6/9 forward. If he can do it for 2-3 years then he can get 4+ a season


He's putting up numbers just like Dzingel and nobody is arguing he's going to get a $3.5M to $4M contract as a UFA. If Kap keeps up this pace, he will look to see what Dzingel gets and try to mirror that.

Regardless, Leafs are in cap trouble if they sign Nylander as you can see and will have to let Kap walk.
Dec 1, 2018 at 9:52
#6
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Quoting: Jangle29
Kapanen is not worth 4 mil right now, look at morrissey thats the contract he will likely get or maybe less as hes not so relied on. If he wants to be full time on this roster or in the NHL for that matter he takes this deal. Johnsson also will be closer to 1 mil, hes showed nothing for consistency hence why he took the 700k and change right away last summer as a qualifying offer. He has a long time to prove


See my post above.
Dec 1, 2018 at 10:25
#7
Jangle29
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Quoting: ChiHawk
See my post above.

Thats fine but with zero leverage he will not be making 3.5-4 mil. His stats are inflated playing with AM
Dec 1, 2018 at 10:36
#8
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Quoting: Jangle29
Thats fine but with zero leverage he will not be making 3.5-4 mil. His stats are inflated playing with AM


Actually, the Leafs won’t have much leverage if they sign Nylander given the cap ceiling; they won’t have much choice but to let him go. A cap strapped team can’t strongarm a RFA to accept a lowball offer for the sole purpose of fitting under the cap or the league will step in; on this scenario that would be a $1.5M offer or so as this Armchair GM here doesn’t understand the rules of LITR.

Also find it funny that with every Nylander trade proposed on here Leafs fans defend Nylander’s stats but when talking about Kap’s stats, they are overinflated because of AM? Lol too funny
Dec 1, 2018 at 10:57
#9
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Shipton19
Kapanen is not worth 3.5-4 million. Max would be 3 on his next deal, which would be a bridge contract 2-4 years. He`s had 25 good games so far as a top6/9 forward. If he can do it for 2-3 years then he can get 4+ a season


He's on pace for 32 goals. If he scores 30, negotiations start at 5
Dec 1, 2018 at 11:00
#10
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This is a totally realistic roster.. I agree with the type of money allocated to RFA players. Personally I would then trade nylander for defenseman, maybe linholm withanaheim or Slavin with Carolina. Your defence is weak here and you can sign Ennis to man the fourth line.

Well done
Dec 1, 2018 at 11:04
#11
Lenny7
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
He's on pace for 32 goals. If he scores 30, negotiations start at 5


Sam Reinhart contract anyone?
Dec 1, 2018 at 11:32
#12
Jangle29
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
He's on pace for 32 goals. If he scores 30, negotiations start at 5


He is not going to score 30, its hard for me to explain this to you as you do not watch every game and only look at a stats sheet
Dec 1, 2018 at 11:35
#13
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Quoting: Jtcurls
This is a totally realistic roster.. I agree with the type of money allocated to RFA players. Personally I would then trade nylander for defenseman, maybe linholm withanaheim or Slavin with Carolina. Your defence is weak here and you can sign Ennis to man the fourth line.

Well done


Not well done. Leafs are above the cap. This scenario can't work for mainly 3 reason;
1) Cap is not going to be $83M
2) LITR rules aren't being followed meaning the Leafs can't put Horton on LITR until after the 1st day of the season and going into day 1 can't be over the cap more then a percentage of Horton's salary.
3) Kap will need more then $3M.
Dec 1, 2018 at 11:36
#14
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Quoting: Jangle29
He is not going to score 30, its hard for me to explain this to you as you do not watch every game and only look at a stats sheet


If he scores over 20 and has 40 points, he will be worth $3.5M to $4.5M. Too many forwards get similar money with those stats.
Dec 1, 2018 at 11:45
#15
Jangle29
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Quoting: ChiHawk
If he scores over 20 and has 40 points, he will be worth $3.5M to $4.5M. Too many forwards get similar money with those stats.


Too many are forced into bridge deals, which he will as he is a 3rd liner for us. He is also an RFA without options, Teams do not just overpay what then have to for no reason. I have no clue how this generation of hockey fan thinks these days
Dec 1, 2018 at 11:46
#16
Jangle29
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Not well done. Leafs are above the cap. This scenario can't work for mainly 3 reason;
1) Cap is not going to be $83M
2) LITR rules aren't being followed meaning the Leafs can't put Horton on LITR until after the 1st day of the season and going into day 1 can't be over the cap more then a percentage of Horton's salary.
3) Kap will need more then $3M.


Johnsson will be luck to break 1 mil so there is money there, you are also wrong about Kapanen. Look at what Arvidsson took scoring 30+
Dec 1, 2018 at 12:06
#17
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Quoting: Jangle29
Johnsson will be luck to break 1 mil so there is money there, you are also wrong about Kapanen. Look at what Arvidsson took scoring 30+


Still doesn't solve the LITR problem.

Plus Arvidsson got $4.25M and that was 2 seasons ago to when Kap needs to sign and the cap has been risen as well as every players pay that's signed since.
Dec 1, 2018 at 12:07
#18
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Jangle29
He is not going to score 30, its hard for me to explain this to you as you do not watch every game and only look at a stats sheet


Try. Why isn’t he going to score 30? Seems to be a very opportunistic player to me. Why is he scoring now and he won’t later?
Dec 1, 2018 at 12:12
#19
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Kapanen is currently on pace for 30 goals and 56pts. considering that he'll be on a line with Matthews and Marleau for the rest of the season (if Nylander doesn't sign in the next few hours). Odds are he'll reach those stats.

even if you try and do a bridge deal, that aav will be $4mil+ easy.
Dec 1, 2018 at 12:12
#20
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Cap trouble, simple solution, trade Kadri, you shouldn't need to pay your 3rd line C over 4 million and he has a very attractive contract and still has skills to be a team's 2nd line C. You'll save 3 million by downgrading your 3rd line C. The Leafs should see if they can entice Miro Aaltonen back to the NHL, he looked pretty good as a bottom line C.
Dec 1, 2018 at 12:15
#21
Jangle29
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
Kapanen is currently on pace for 30 goals and 56pts. considering that he'll be on a line with Matthews and Marleau for the rest of the season (if Nylander doesn't sign in the next few hours). Odds are he'll reach those stats.

even if you try and do a bridge deal, that aav will be $4mil+ easy.


Toronto owns his rights and will not pay that much, thus he will not make that much
Dec 1, 2018 at 1:14
#22
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Quoting: Jangle29
Toronto owns his rights and will not pay that much, thus he will not make that much


*going to exaggerate for arguments sake*
With that logic why don't you just offer him $1mil, Leafs own his rights, right? The player has no power whatsoever.....
*exaggeration over*

doesn't work that way, the player will still be without a contract. if the entire league would pay someone like Kapanen $4-5mil aav on a bridge deal, and the leafs say "screw that, we're only giving him $3mil aav" it does 2 things:

1. It hurts the relationship with the player (see Nylander as perfect example), and increases the odds of an eventual separation of both parties.
2. It makes negotiations worse / more difficult for future players. Consistently low balling is bad for business (hypothetical situation: Sandin becomes a top 4 D before the end of his ELC, if the team has a past history of consistently low balling players, Sandin and his agent will try and start with higher demands in hopes to even out negotiations, thus making the whole process a lot longer, and looping back to problem #1.

Leafs are right to be doing it to Nylander imo. but if they keep doing it to every good player coming off an ELC in the organization, it's gonna hurt them in the long run 100%.
Dec 1, 2018 at 2:18
#23
Jangle29
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
*going to exaggerate for arguments sake*
With that logic why don't you just offer him $1mil, Leafs own his rights, right? The player has no power whatsoever.....
*exaggeration over*

doesn't work that way, the player will still be without a contract. if the entire league would pay someone like Kapanen $4-5mil aav on a bridge deal, and the leafs say "screw that, we're only giving him $3mil aav" it does 2 things:

1. It hurts the relationship with the player (see Nylander as perfect example), and increases the odds of an eventual separation of both parties.
2. It makes negotiations worse / more difficult for future players. Consistently low balling is bad for business (hypothetical situation: Sandin becomes a top 4 D before the end of his ELC, if the team has a past history of consistently low balling players, Sandin and his agent will try and start with higher demands in hopes to even out negotiations, thus making the whole process a lot longer, and looping back to problem #1.

Leafs are right to be doing it to Nylander imo. but if they keep doing it to every good player coming off an ELC in the organization, it's gonna hurt them in the long run 100%.


They do it to every player. Every team does it. There are no feeling in negotiating. He's not going to make the money you are saying because of a 20+ game stretch on the top 6 like
Dec 1, 2018 at 9:32
#24
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Still doesn't solve the LITR problem.

Plus Arvidsson got $4.25M and that was 2 seasons ago to when Kap needs to sign and the cap has been risen as well as every players pay that's signed since.



Send Horton to Arizona and give then Leivo and Gauthier or Rosén and Gauthier for taking the contract.

They have Holland coming off after this year at just over 5 million and so they need someone they don’t actually pay to replace him.

LTIR PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!

You should be familiar with this move from hawks dumping Hossa.

As for Kapanen wanting to be paid, he is RFA and was barely making the team out of camp if nylander had been signed. He will sign for 1.5 - 2.5.
Dec 1, 2018 at 9:34
#25
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Quoting: Jtcurls
Send Horton to Arizona and give then Leivo and Gauthier or Rosén and Gauthier for taking the contract.

They have Holland coming off after this year at just over 5 million and so they need someone they don’t actually pay to replace him.

LTIR PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!

You should be familiar with this move from hawks dumping Hossa.


And look what that ended up costing the Blackhawks; Hinostroza.
 
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