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Getting a 3C Explained

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Team: 2018-19 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 12, 2018
Published: Dec. 12, 2018
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Brassard plays a lot better with Sid and Guentzel and when talking in interviews, you can tell that he is hyped about playing 1st line minutes. If the Pens were even to resign him, it makes a lot more sense paying him about 5M to play on 1st line instead of 3rd. At this point, I think the Penguins should go out and pick up a 3C that is on a fair contract and that can help out a lot.

My idea of players:
Danault - MTL: Montreal has numerous C prospects that will probably be ready for action by next season. They have also been in the market for a new LD to play with Weber. Danault is having a good season, but I think some of it comes down to who he is playing with. I think he's a good player for sure, but his stats may be boosted. Maatta is really starting to pick his game up and can be a good option for MTL. I think a 1 for 1 swap makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Faksa - DAL: He is a great 2-way centre, and even though he is having a down year, Stars fans are completely against moving this guy unless the return is insane. Once again, this team is looking for defence and Maatta can be the target. I think a trade can be worked out somehow.

Kempe - LAK: Super young with potential. I don't think a struggling Kings team would be in the market to trade a young guy like him, but if they were, id go for him.

Coyle: His name has been in trade rumours recently. I don't know what type of return the Wild would want to be honest, but maybe a pick, Rust and a young guy can get it done?

Smith: Since being waived, he has played a lot better. He is good defensively, but can also help the offence out. I think a 1 for 1 with Rust can be a potential deal.

Granlund: Good defensive player who is about to match his last years point totals. Last year he had 12 and now he's on 11. He would be a good addition and I don't think he would cost too much either, since the Canucks have way too many forwards. Maybe a young guy and a pick get it done?

Bennett: A risk. Has not shown much in his NHL years, but would be a typical Pens acquisition. A fresh start could maybe do him good, and the price tag on his head won't be too high. Pens wouldn't have to give much up IMO.

Lowry: I think last year was a really good season for him, totalling 21 points in 45 games. This year, he has 9 in 30, and I think could fit the 3C role. Don't know what it would cost.

Galchenyuk: Too early? I dont think the Coyotes are ready to cut their ties with this guy just yet. If they were too, id love to have him.

Pageau: I think he'd be a great 3C. Once he returns, I think Ottawa will have a plethora of C. Maybe a deal involving Maatta can be worked on.

Anyone else? What type of deal can you see take place?
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 11:12 a.m.
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IMO if we can get Brassy to play wing and succeed .... it is a very good thing bc then we still have that guy that is able to step in at top 6 C if 87 or 71 go down for a cpl games (as i just knocked on wood) .... Now all we have to do is get a REAL 3rd line center .... again the search continues, lol.
- I think Faksa is obviously the best possible 3 C , He plays the perfect game for a 3C.
- Danault is very under rated IMO, He has the pressure of being a #1-#2 C in MTL and his game is more suited for 3C bc of his ability to take the D zone face offs and play against top lines.
- Gally - I LOVE as a wing and another guy that could explode here ... but IMO he is not a C, def not a 3C
- Lowry - would be an ideal 3C too ...PLUS brings some size to our forward group.
- Coyle - Would be a nice fit = being youngish / good cap hit / Big guy / + he is RH and Sully loves RH centers.... But is his Defensive play and face off ability good enough ??
- Kempe - Id love his speed/size there but dont think LAK move him
- Bennett - He would be a nice fit to share 3C and 4C with Sheahan but is he a C or a LW?
- JPG - IMO he is over rated ... just never really liked or was a fan of his game
- Smith - Unless we can get him for nothing and 1/2 of his cap hit - too slow and inconsistant
- Granlund - Interesting bc i always liked his game - could a trade give him a boost? He is another guy that could split 3C &4C with Sheahan
- OTHER POS. -
B. Schenn, STL - would cost us but he would make this line up perfect at 3C if everyone healthy.
A. Athanasiou, DET - Love his speed but is he a C?
C. Jarnkrok, NSH - Nice player, solid C, Great cap #
B. Nelson, NYI - rental but wow would he fit nice at 3C
V. Hinostroza, ARZ - too small? but he works his bag off
C. Tierney, OTT - My fav here and the ideal 3C... he is a hell of a player and with him and Sheahan at 3C & 4C , id love it.
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 11:21 a.m.
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Quoting: Sidstick87
IMO if we can get Brassy to play wing and succeed .... it is a very good thing bc then we still have that guy that is able to step in at top 6 C if 87 or 71 go down for a cpl games (as i just knocked on wood) .... Now all we have to do is get a REAL 3rd line center .... again the search continues, lol.
- I think Faksa is obviously the best possible 3 C , He plays the perfect game for a 3C.
- Danault is very under rated IMO, He has the pressure of being a #1-#2 C in MTL and his game is more suited for 3C bc of his ability to take the D zone face offs and play against top lines.
- Gally - I LOVE as a wing and another guy that could explode here ... but IMO he is not a C, def not a 3C
- Lowry - would be an ideal 3C too ...PLUS brings some size to our forward group.
- Coyle - Would be a nice fit = being youngish / good cap hit / Big guy / + he is RH and Sully loves RH centers.... But is his Defensive play and face off ability good enough ??
- Kempe - Id love his speed/size there but dont think LAK move him
- Bennett - He would be a nice fit to share 3C and 4C with Sheahan but is he a C or a LW?
- JPG - IMO he is over rated ... just never really liked or was a fan of his game
- Smith - Unless we can get him for nothing and 1/2 of his cap hit - too slow and inconsistant
- Granlund - Interesting bc i always liked his game - could a trade give him a boost? He is another guy that could split 3C &4C with Sheahan
- OTHER POS. -
B. Schenn, STL - would cost us but he would make this line up perfect at 3C if everyone healthy.
A. Athanasiou, DET - Love his speed but is he a C?
C. Jarnkrok, NSH - Nice player, solid C, Great cap #
B. Nelson, NYI - rental but wow would he fit nice at 3C
V. Hinostroza, ARZ - too small? but he works his bag off
C. Tierney, OTT - My fav here and the ideal 3C... he is a hell of a player and with him and Sheahan at 3C & 4C , id love it.


When looking at the guys I listed, realistically, I think we can remove Galchenyuk (not really a 3C), Kempe (Kings won't move him), Pageau (injured and it might be after deadline). In the guys you listed, I think Schenn would be better suited as top 6 LW. I don't think AA is a real C or even think Detroit wants to move him. Nelson would cost quite a bit, and I doubt Hinostroza, Jarnkrok or Tierney get moved. I would really like Jarnkrok and Tierney but I just doubt their respective teams move them. Jarnkrok I doubt because of his cap hit and how decent he has been and Tierney because of how well he has done and fit in. Love the suggestions though! I really think that for me, the top guys would be Danault, Faksa, Lowry, Coyle and Granlund. Thanks for your input though! I love the guys you suggested but some of them just fit too well with their respective teams to get moved out.. frown
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 11:53 a.m.
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When looking at the guys I listed, realistically, I think we can remove Galchenyuk (not really a 3C), Kempe (Kings won't move him), Pageau (injured and it might be after deadline). In the guys you listed, I think Schenn would be better suited as top 6 LW. I don't think AA is a real C or even think Detroit wants to move him. Nelson would cost quite a bit, and I doubt Hinostroza, Jarnkrok or Tierney get moved. I would really like Jarnkrok and Tierney but I just doubt their respective teams move them. Jarnkrok I doubt because of his cap hit and how decent he has been and Tierney because of how well he has done and fit in. Love the suggestions though! I really think that for me, the top guys would be Danault, Faksa, Lowry, Coyle and Granlund. Thanks for your input though! I love the guys you suggested but some of them just fit too well with their respective teams to get moved out.. frown


No problem, I love hockey a lil too much and could talk hockey 24-7 ... I think im Canadian ?? lmao
But yah my list is about the same with Faksa #1 and Danault #2 but imo Danault would be a steal if we could get him from MTL, I kno Maatta gets smashed on here bc of his speed but to REAL GM's he has a lot of value - Hes a young top 2-3 Dman that can play any situation on ice , he's only 24 , has a great cap hit , has rings, tons of playoff exp .... so if we trade him to MTL Im asking for Danault and Juulsen for Maatta and A.Johnson or type of prospect.
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 12:53 p.m.
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No problem, I love hockey a lil too much and could talk hockey 24-7 ... I think im Canadian ?? lmao
But yah my list is about the same with Faksa #1 and Danault #2 but imo Danault would be a steal if we could get him from MTL, I kno Maatta gets smashed on here bc of his speed but to REAL GM's he has a lot of value - Hes a young top 2-3 Dman that can play any situation on ice , he's only 24 , has a great cap hit , has rings, tons of playoff exp .... so if we trade him to MTL Im asking for Danault and Juulsen for Maatta and A.Johnson or type of prospect.


Dont know if Habs bite. I can see a simple 1 for 1, but I don't know if GMJR does that.
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 1:19 p.m.
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While I can see the Brass doesn't fit at 3C argument, the truth is the problem might not be all on brass as a 3C.
You have to look at what they have to work with back there.
You have Simon as your LW that's not exactly stellar help. You have Hörnqvist or Rust as your RW. Rust hasn't done **** all year, and Horny is slow.
This is how you end up with ZAR playing on the 3rd line.
Don't get me wrong, I like ZAR's game, but it doesn't match Brass. He needs some faster players to play with who actually have some skill.
They need to start getting some help mid year from prospects, but the question is who?
The only one in WB right now who I could see moving up is Angelo and while I like his game, he's a 4th line on the 3rd line he'd just be another ZAR. A good player but lacking the foot speed to play that face paced offensive game.
You have a few guys in the NCAA in Bjorkvist and the center from Penn State. But the Penn State kid is a 4th liner if his foot speed can keep up. Bjorkvist who know what you get.

This is the first year in a while they get no help coming up with any kind of foot speed. That hurts.
I think if the team can find a good LW the problems on the 3C look much smaller. Then you hope you can get one of the 3 RW listed above on the team to actually fill that line out decently.
Dec. 12, 2018 at 1:31 p.m.
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IMO if we can get Brassy to play wing and succeed .... it is a very good thing bc then we still have that guy that is able to step in at top 6 C if 87 or 71 go down for a cpl games (as i just knocked on wood) .... Now all we have to do is get a REAL 3rd line center .... again the search continues, lol.
- I think Faksa is obviously the best possible 3 C , He plays the perfect game for a 3C.
- Danault is very under rated IMO, He has the pressure of being a #1-#2 C in MTL and his game is more suited for 3C bc of his ability to take the D zone face offs and play against top lines.
- Gally - I LOVE as a wing and another guy that could explode here ... but IMO he is not a C, def not a 3C
- Lowry - would be an ideal 3C too ...PLUS brings some size to our forward group.
- Coyle - Would be a nice fit = being youngish / good cap hit / Big guy / + he is RH and Sully loves RH centers.... But is his Defensive play and face off ability good enough ??
- Kempe - Id love his speed/size there but dont think LAK move him
- Bennett - He would be a nice fit to share 3C and 4C with Sheahan but is he a C or a LW?
- JPG - IMO he is over rated ... just never really liked or was a fan of his game
- Smith - Unless we can get him for nothing and 1/2 of his cap hit - too slow and inconsistant
- Granlund - Interesting bc i always liked his game - could a trade give him a boost? He is another guy that could split 3C &4C with Sheahan
- OTHER POS. -
B. Schenn, STL - would cost us but he would make this line up perfect at 3C if everyone healthy.
A. Athanasiou, DET - Love his speed but is he a C?
C. Jarnkrok, NSH - Nice player, solid C, Great cap #
B. Nelson, NYI - rental but wow would he fit nice at 3C
V. Hinostroza, ARZ - too small? but he works his bag off
C. Tierney, OTT - My fav here and the ideal 3C... he is a hell of a player and with him and Sheahan at 3C & 4C , id love it.


The effort in this is unreal, Bravo! Habs fan here and I'd be willing to trade Danault.

Brassard, Maata, 2019 4th FOR Danault, Shlemko, Hudon. What would you say?
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 1:35 p.m.
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The effort in this is unreal, Bravo! Habs fan here and I'd be willing to trade Danault.

Brassard, Maata, 2019 4th FOR Danault, Shlemko, Hudon. What would you say?


Pens wouldn't take it. I really don't see them moving Brassard if he finds his game at 1LW. Schlemko has no use to the Pens as a LD, but Hudon can be a decent depth option. He has been an extra player for Habs and Im sure GMJR would rather call guys up instead of moving assets for depth forwards. So once again, Id do a 1 for 1.
Dec. 12, 2018 at 1:37 p.m.
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While I can see the Brass doesn't fit at 3C argument, the truth is the problem might not be all on brass as a 3C.
You have to look at what they have to work with back there.
You have Simon as your LW that's not exactly stellar help. You have Hörnqvist or Rust as your RW. Rust hasn't done **** all year, and Horny is slow.
This is how you end up with ZAR playing on the 3rd line.
Don't get me wrong, I like ZAR's game, but it doesn't match Brass. He needs some faster players to play with who actually have some skill.
They need to start getting some help mid year from prospects, but the question is who?
The only one in WB right now who I could see moving up is Angelo and while I like his game, he's a 4th line on the 3rd line he'd just be another ZAR. A good player but lacking the foot speed to play that face paced offensive game.
You have a few guys in the NCAA in Bjorkvist and the center from Penn State. But the Penn State kid is a 4th liner if his foot speed can keep up. Bjorkvist who know what you get.

This is the first year in a while they get no help coming up with any kind of foot speed. That hurts.
I think if the team can find a good LW the problems on the 3C look much smaller. Then you hope you can get one of the 3 RW listed above on the team to actually fill that line out decently.


Kessel has played with Brass on 3rd and it didn't work. Brass needs more playing time to prove his worth. I rather find a 3C and play him with Simon and Kessel possibly.
Dec. 12, 2018 at 2:03 p.m.
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 2:04 p.m.
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Don't think Pens wanna pay 5M for a 3C...
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Dec. 12, 2018 at 3:08 p.m.
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The effort in this is unreal, Bravo! Habs fan here and I'd be willing to trade Danault.

Brassard, Maata, 2019 4th FOR Danault, Shlemko, Hudon. What would you say?


Thanks ... i think we are keeping Brassy bc any trade we make we would lose rite now... unless Brassy explodes on wing up till deadline.
- I want Juulsen , there is something about a #58 RHD-man that i just love ,,,lol
but seriously i love the kids game... i kno yinz wouldnt trade him but I just see tons of future upside in Juulsen.
 
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