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Team: 2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2018
Published: Dec. 14, 2018
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Primeau, Cayden
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Dec. 14, 2018 at 4:32 p.m.
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i think CAR trade makes sense , the new owner is building towards being a contender today not 5 years from now and this package with two 2nd rounders in the most stacked draft since 2003 helps them . That being said its a bit steep for MTL to pay but given Slavin's potential combined with his skating ability makes MTL willing to make the leap to end the issues on top LD .

still not sure KK for JP would happen straight up , maybe if pieces were involved but then again i thought the same about Weber and Subban .

5/5 because its all good pieces but for plausability i say 3/5 because the Slavin trade due to new ownership being ambitious could be moved but KK for Petry is a bit harder of a sell because we'll be playing against him regularly the next 3 seasons which is rough. maybe make it a 3 way trade? getting Petry out so TML can get a Barrie or someone like that who's been shopped a while
Dec. 14, 2018 at 4:35 p.m.
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That haul doesn’t get you Slavin
Dec. 14, 2018 at 4:49 p.m.
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That haul doesn’t get you Slavin


you're kidding right ?

Danault right now has taken like 596 of MTL's 1016 faceoffs by himself for 6th in the NHL beside names like Barkov ,Larkin,Tavares ,Staal and Crosby .

what you think of him doesnt matter your team was stupid enough to give him away for 2 fourth line UFA's and gifted us a 2nd pick to boot hahaha
Dec. 14, 2018 at 4:52 p.m.
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you're kidding right ?

Danault right now has taken like 596 of MTL's 1016 faceoffs by himself for 6th in the NHL beside names like Barkov ,Larkin,Tavares ,Staal and Crosby .

what you think of him doesnt matter your team was stupid enough to give him away for 2 fourth line UFA's and gifted us a 2nd pick to boot hahaha


So because he takes a lot of faceoffs he’s good? Slavin is a top 10 dman. This package isn’t close.
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Dec. 14, 2018 at 4:56 p.m.
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you're kidding right ?

Danault right now has taken like 596 of MTL's 1016 faceoffs by himself for 6th in the NHL beside names like Barkov ,Larkin,Tavares ,Staal and Crosby .

what you think of him doesnt matter your team was stupid enough to give him away for 2 fourth line UFA's and gifted us a 2nd pick to boot hahaha


I know people on here like to cherry pick stats to support their cause while ignoring all other pertinent information but this has taken things to a whole new level. You are comparing Danault to Barkov, Larkin, Tavares, Staal and Crosby because he has taken a lot of faceoffs? Is this real life?
Dec. 14, 2018 at 4:57 p.m.
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So because he takes a lot of faceoffs he’s good? Slavin is a top 10 dman. This package isn’t close.


It's definitely only Leaf fans overvaluing their own players. No other fan base does this.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: JayBeagleFanAccount
So because he takes a lot of faceoffs he’s good? Slavin is a top 10 dman. This package isn’t close.


no because he's constantly making big leaps ahead in his progress since coming to a team who chose to develop him it makes him more Valuable given him Contract and him being in his prime also factor in hugely .

but no there is other pieces in there with a lot value .

people pretend like all deals are all top end players , its not look at Evander Kane to BUF. not every piece WPG got was top shelf but they were all solid pieces for them and all worked out more then Kane ever did in BUF that's for sure . these trades are a mixture of Talent for today , Tomorrow and Picks thats are especially more valuable this year . (i know some hockey fans as Cherry puts it are ''johnny come lately's on these kids '' but i watch Hockey outside the NHL regularly and see the talent level hitting new heights i never seen especially in Junior where players who woulda been 1st or 2nd round going in the 4th and 5th rounds . )
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:01 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
I know people on here like to cherry pick stats to support their cause while ignoring all other pertinent information but this has taken things to a whole new level. You are comparing Danault to Barkov, Larkin, Tavares, Staal and Crosby because he has taken a lot of faceoffs? Is this real life?


no i stated a fact and provided a source you chose to ignore the context so you had an excuse to be offended .
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:03 p.m.
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no i stated a fact and provided a source you chose to ignore the context so you had an excuse to be offended .


Not offended but the number of faceoffs one takes isn't exactly a good indicator of anything other than taking faceoffs. Who do you think a team would be more interested in having. A legit #1 Defenceman (Slavin) or a 3C who takes a lot of faceoffs (Danault)?
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:04 p.m.
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Quoting: JayBeagleFanAccount
So because he takes a lot of faceoffs he’s good? Slavin is a top 10 dman. This package isn’t close.


This is why we can't have intelligent discussion on this site. Over evaluation much? Slavin isn't even top 10 LD...
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:08 p.m.
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Also I don't think TO would have much interest in the Petry for Kap trade. There are other RHD they could acquire that would cost way less and still provide an upgrade over Hainsey.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:10 p.m.
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Your not getting Slavin for that package, I agree with the one guy on here, Slavin is one of the best in the league, very underrated because of where he plays but when it comes to the defensive zone their are few better then him and none are as young.

Also dont think Kapanen is worth Petry straight up. This is his first season and has been playing on an elite offense and his numbers have shown as much. Petry is a tried and tested top 4 dman who can handle top pairing minutes, Toronto would have to add to that deal.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:12 p.m.
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This is why we can't have intelligent discussion on this site. Over evaluation much? Slavin isn't even top 10 LD...


Obviously the author of this post thinks Slavin is great, otherwise he wouldn't propose a trade. What I find frustrating is when a fan base proposes a trade and then spends hours spewing hate at the other fan base because they are overvaluing the player they are trying to trade for. If you don't think Slavin is that good, why bother propose a trade for him? The fact here is you guys think Slavin would be a major upgrade for the habs, Carolina fans think he's their best defenceman (which he is) and they would want a massive haul. Now this package proposed above isn't remotely close to equal to a legit #1 stud defenceman. You probably already think that as well but are considering Tatar a high end sniper and Danault a legit 1C. Neither players are those things, they are good depth pieces in the right scenario. Slavin is a #1 on most teams in the NHL, I'd put him in the top 10 of LHD for sure, probably close to top 5. None of the assets coming back are even in the top 25 of the positions they play.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:24 p.m.
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its funny to watch people over evaluate 1 prospect and completely ignore another value in the same breathe while getting outraged no one understands them :P
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:28 p.m.
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Danault doesnt have to be a #1 C to be bulk Faceoffs guy thats the point .

i mean Jordan Staal has never been a true #1 but he's been vital to CAR success.

having a guy like Danault who's still growing means you got a strong 2nd line center capable of bearing the weight when it comes to faceoff possession so younger guys with less faceoff skills can still be out there with possession instead of exposed on a back check (Kotkanemi's and Domi's benefiting from it this year for sure )

if he was a #1 C he'd have more value then Slavin as #1 C is the hardest position in the NHL to fill so enough of this immature conjecture and slander
Dec. 14, 2018 at 5:46 p.m.
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Slavin's 7 year term makes me think the Carolina can get more or better NHLers.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 6:18 p.m.
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Edited Dec. 14, 2018 at 6:24 p.m.
if you try really hard...perhaps in terms of value the CAR deal is close lol, but it still favors MTL for sure. No way CAR trade Slavin. Sure CAR are getting a lot of solid assets back (besides Schlemko lol). but they would have no one on LD to replace him. Thus, CAR easily declines.

I'll add Danault is becoming extremely valuable however. Right now he's putting the same numbers as other Centers like Schmaltz, Kadri, Backlund, and all of them are very close to the same time ice time (around 17mins a game) but Danault with zero PP time, while the other 3 mentioned average close to 2 PP minutes a game. and yes face offs is still an added bonus since Danault is 12th overall in the NHL in face-offs taken. he's not an elite F/O guy to be clear though, he's very average at 51.5%

EDIT: even though I would be all for trading Petry in the offseason, not sure for Kapanen though, I can still see Habs management turning this down. Petry 8th overall in points by a defensemen. worth more than a forward only worth $3mil aav on a bridge deal, am I right Leafs fans?! *wink*
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Dec. 14, 2018 at 7:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy316
you're kidding right ?

Danault right now has taken like 596 of MTL's 1016 faceoffs by himself for 6th in the NHL beside names like Barkov ,Larkin,Tavares ,Staal and Crosby .

what you think of him doesnt matter your team was stupid enough to give him away for 2 fourth line UFA's and gifted us a 2nd pick to boot hahaha


Quoting: Billy316
you're kidding right ?

Danault right now has taken like 596 of MTL's 1016 faceoffs by himself for 6th in the NHL beside names like Barkov ,Larkin,Tavares ,Staal and Crosby .

what you think of him doesnt matter your team was stupid enough to give him away for 2 fourth line UFA's and gifted us a 2nd pick to boot hahaha



you’re kidding right? if your go-to stat is face offs taken than stay out of this discussion. and when did i say anything about danault playing for the hawks?? i didn’t even watch hockey when he played for us LOL. no matter what way you cut it, slavin is a top 10 dman and that haul does not get you him.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 7:13 p.m.
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This is why we can't have intelligent discussion on this site. Over evaluation much? Slavin isn't even top 10 LD...


wait what? Slavin is so good.
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Dec. 14, 2018 at 7:17 p.m.
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This is why we can't have intelligent discussion on this site. Over evaluation much? Slavin isn't even top 10 LD...


delete this.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 10:47 p.m.
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delete this.


delete your account bossy little know it all

you dont contribute you nag like a wife no one wants
Dec. 14, 2018 at 10:54 p.m.
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wait what? Slavin is so good.


yes he's good but start making your list of top 30 NHL D and i dont think you'll find him in the top 10 or even 20 for that matter.

again he's good but he's a top LD and a #2 D at best when there are the better part of 30 other teams with undisputed #1 D including CAR IMO as Hamilton >Slavin .(he may not skate as fast but he's a complete D player and Leader.

is Slavin good ? yes .
is he Karlsson package good like everyone's chirping , ABSOLUTELY NOT .

is Slavin gonna land a decent amount ? for sure
is he going to be paid like an All Star NHL player , No because he's never even been on the short list for an NHL All Star roster.
Dec. 14, 2018 at 10:57 p.m.
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you’re kidding right? if your go-to stat is face offs taken than stay out of this discussion. and when did i say anything about danault playing for the hawks?? i didn’t even watch hockey when he played for us LOL. no matter what way you cut it, slavin is a top 10 dman and that haul does not get you him.


this explains so much about your take on things

you've been around hockey a few years and talks like an authority .

meanwhile i've been to games at all levels , support youth hockey and talk to scouts at junior games regularly and you ignore context to whine about what you dont know in seek of attention .


you sir should just observe for a while until you learn enough to contribute
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Dec. 14, 2018 at 11:29 p.m.
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this explains so much about your take on things

you've been around hockey a few years and talks like an authority .

meanwhile i've been to games at all levels , support youth hockey and talk to scouts at junior games regularly and you ignore context to whine about what you dont know in seek of attention .


you sir should just observe for a while until you learn enough to contribute


I genuinely feel bad for other Canadiens fans since you seem to make them look bad. I also feel bad for the scouts that you've talked to because I would hate to have a conversation with you lmaooo. Idc about you beating off to peewee hockey highlights, don't try to come at me because you think Danault taking faceoffs is good enough to get a top 10 dman. I don't have to watch my local QJMABSKDIGDHL team play to know that, nor do I have to talk to some high school scout. Seems as if you are well aware that you can't defend your argument in the slightest so you resort to insults only to make yourself (and coherently other MTL fans) look even worse. go to bed lil dude !!
Dec. 14, 2018 at 11:43 p.m.
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Quoting: kopiino
I genuinely feel bad for other Canadiens fans since you seem to make them look bad. I also feel bad for the scouts that you've talked to because I would hate to have a conversation with you lmaooo. Idc about you beating off to peewee hockey highlights, don't try to come at me because you think Danault taking faceoffs is good enough to get a top 10 dman. I don't have to watch my local QJMABSKDIGDHL team play to know that, nor do I have to talk to some high school scout. Seems as if you are well aware that you can't defend your argument in the slightest so you resort to insults only to make yourself (and coherently other MTL fans) look even worse. go to bed lil dude !!


says the noob making assumptions based on Fantasy league reports SMH

Millennial's are SO ANNOYING because they are Oblivious by Choice .

you ignore Context constantly trying to manipulate the situation .

for example High School scouts? these a Pro Scouts and Junior Games not Highschool like USA SMH . you dont even know what you're BS'ing about you're just talking about all you dont know and look real ignorant. unlike America we have a development system that doesnt involve school in which most of the generational leaders of the NHL come out of . (whether its Russia ,Sweden ,Finland ,Canada or Germany there is Pro Systems set up and they are not reliant on NCAA development like USA )
 
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