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Created by: Random2152

Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2018

Published: Dec. 15, 2018

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TSN has Parayko #1 on the trade bait list (not necessarily to Toronto ofc) and GM said anyone but Schwartz is up for grabs so I was seeing what he would cost and if we could even do it.

The return for the Blues:
Timothy Liljegren: The main piece of the trade has been excellent in AHL at 18 and has been just as good at 19, made world juniors (although injured atm) and will be a top 4 dman for sure, a top 2 guy if he hits his full potential. Parayko makes him expendable as both Reilly and Dermott can ply RD.

Connor Brown is a defensive specialist who can score and be a good TWF if put into a normal 3rd line role. Has even corsi even though he has a 36% Ozone start rate. Babs trusts him to kill penalties and shut down lines, which is incredibly hard to get and shows that he is currently buried in the organization and just needs more ice time to shine. This one hurts Toronto as Babs really trusts him to do the dirty work in the defensive zone, he is quickly becoming the most underrated Leaf by Leaf fans and shifting his duties will be an interesting task for the team and whoever it lands on.

Nikita Zaitzev: The negative hype around him is vastly overblown, and his inclusion is as a cap dump due to the fact he is overpaid. Used in right role and playing with a solid partner (more defensively solid than Gardiner) could do him wonders and you have a good but overpaid 2nd pair guy. Also, general consensus among insiders is that there is a market for him and he would return value if traded. Parayko is an upgrade to Zaitzev, so not much to say here for how it affects Toronto, as it is the whole point of the trade.

Mason Marchment is just about ready for the NHL and you likely have a 3rd line scoring winger on your hands here. Leafs have a few guys like him in the same spot so he is expendable, but you are getting a good little player to add to your teams depth. Think Sosh but better and younger and less injury prone.

A late 1st: Its a late first, could be John Carlsson, could be Gabe Carlsson, could be Rasmus Sandin who knows.
2 late 2nds: Not much to say here.

Depending on how the pro-rating works, Leafs could bring up Moore as an extra. Although they may stay at 22 in order to ensure bonuses get paid (3.7 mil is the likely bonuses given out).
On the retained salary, the Leafs essentially trade short term cap relief for a long term cap penalty, or the trade equivalent of a buyout. Helps the Leafs now and next year, helps the blues later on when they are contendng again and/or want to move Zaitzev. It effectively means the Blues retain 1 million for Parayko's contract, and the Leafs retain 1 million for the 2 years after that.

Inb4 1 star hur dur Zaitzev has negative value, Blues don't trade Pary for that!

Trades

TOR

Parayko, Colton ($2,000,000 retained)

Additional Details:

An AHL player, preferably a Centre

STL

Brown, Connor
Liljegren, Timothy
Marchment, Mason
Zaitsev, Nikita ($1,000,000 retained)
2019 1st round pick (TOR)
2019 2nd round pick (TOR)
2020 2nd round pick (TOR)

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
Nikita Zaitsev: $1,000,000 (22.22%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2018
2019
2020
2021

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$79,500,000	$75,461,111	$2,550,000	$6,250,000	$4,038,889

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 3	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 7	Marner, Mitchell $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas $787,500$787,500 LW, RW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) C UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi $863,333$863,333 RW UFA - 1
Marleau, Patrick $6,250,000$6,250,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 2	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Nylander, William $10,277,778$10,277,778 RW UFA - 6
Lindholm, Pär $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, C UFA - 1	Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 2	Ennis, Tyler $650,000$650,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Gardiner, Jake $4,050,000$4,050,000 LD UFA - 1	Parayko, Colton $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 3
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 4	Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 2	Sparks, Garret $675,000$675,000 G UFA - 1
Hainsey, Ron $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Ozhiganov, Igor $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Moore, Trevor $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Marincin, Martin $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1
Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Matthews, A.		Kadri, N.		Tavares, J.
	Rielly, M.		Marner, M.

Power Play 2
Johnsson, A.		Marleau, P.		Kapanen, K.
	Gardiner, J.		Nylander, W.

Penalty Kill 1
	Hyman, Z.	Kapanen, K.
	Rielly, M.	Parayko, C.

Penalty Kill 2
	Lindholm, P.	Marner, M.
	Hainsey, R.	Ozhiganov, I.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 12:08 a.m.

NucksFanForLife

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Overpayment IMO. Liljegren, Zaitsev, Brown, and a first is enough. More than enough, but it’s perfect for the Leafs. This is the first Parayko trade proposal that I think both sides can work with. I love the detail of your description and I agree 100% with it. I love this!

Dec. 15, 2018 at 12:13 a.m.

STLBlues17

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I don’t think Parayko is getting traded, but every team in the NHL is probably calling about him, that’s why TSN has him at #1. Parayko is 25 and on a steal of a contract and currently carrying the Blues defense. He’s shut out Mackinnon/Rantanen and Mcdavid at even strength and he scored 2 goals tonight. If he’s getting traded, the price will be astronomical. Pietrangelo on the other hand is someone who I do think is traded by the deadline.

Edit: to answer your question, yes the value is good, but the trade doesn’t get done. If the Blues were to trade Parayko, it would be for a similar young stud player like Nylander.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 12:16 a.m.

Random2152

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Quoting: STLBlues17

Reportedly Leafs turned Down Piet for Nylander as they did not think they could afford him when he is up, and wanted more term on a player they got back. I do agree it is not likely (but that is what this site is for) but it would be Parayko if it is the Leafs involved.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 12:18 a.m.

STLBlues17

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Quoting: Random2152

I think you guys will be interested in Pietrangelo still. Leafs fans on here hate the idea, but I think he puts you over the top. It won’t be Nylander because Pietrangelo is 6 years older, but a package around Kapanen and Liljegren could make sense.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 12:23 a.m.

Random2152

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Quoting: STLBlues17

See, I don't think the Leafs are willing to give up Kap for a guy they only get for 2 years at best, and seriously affects our cap in that time. If we win the cup who cares but (in case you were unaware) that is very difficult and we have Tampa in the division, so the Leafs probably don't mortgage the future when the present is so murky.

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Dec. 15, 2018 at 12:34 a.m.

STLBlues17

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Quoting: Random2152

But you can run with Tampa. I watched the game last night, and I legitimately think you’re one piece away. Whether that piece is Pietrangelo or someone else remains to be seen, but you’re so close.

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Dec. 15, 2018 at 12:53 a.m.

draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

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Leafs ain't serious Cup contenders yet, they haven't won a playoff round since before my child was born (and she's turning 13 next week!) so this ideal that the Leafs are one piece away from a Cup run is a joke, so I see serious problems in the future if the Leafs make stupid trades were they sell the farm. Keep Liljegren, he'll be better than either StL dmen (hopefully) come 5 years from now when M n' M may be ready to compete for the Cup.Patience. TBay have been Cup winners every year for the past 3-4 seasons, on paper(Ovi and the Caps also should have 2-3 Cups by now, on paper), but regular season and playoff season is totally different.

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Dec. 15, 2018 at 1:22 a.m.

pharrow

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

I don't know about Liljegren being all that now, but I do agree this team isn't ready. The regular season has become kind of cup cake hockey. And even with that Toronto has kind of struggled with the physicality of teams. The playoffs is a totally different beast. People are playing for game checks and a cup then. It might not sound like a lot but I think players make roughly $150,000 for winning the cup. If you are a lower line guy, that's a lot of scratch. You're more willing to put someone's head into the glass for that when you make league minimum or close to it all year. Things can get nasty when they know money is involved and they want it. For players making 700k it's a pretty significant bump.

Having said that, I think TB struggles in the playoffs and that the team Toronto should worry about in it's own division is Boston. Having said that the cup goes through the Metro until someone else proves otherwise.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 1:24 a.m.

MetaKnight

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As much as I'd love to see a BLOCKBUSTER like this I think the Leafs would be better off with just some depth/shoring up moves.
Totally agree on Brown, he's a very solid, useful player who is just stuck behind more offensive minded guys.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 1:27 a.m.

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Random2152

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

If you don't think this Leafs team is a cup contender you are beyond saving and entirely delusional.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 1:31 a.m.

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willdevine

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i really like this, well done!

Dec. 15, 2018 at 1:32 a.m.

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willdevine

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

lol what? we outshot the best team in the nhl 49-21 thursday night, and they apparently have the best d-core in the league lmfaoooo. stay off the weed

Dec. 15, 2018 at 2:50 a.m.

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Laudan

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Edited Dec. 15, 2018 at 3:29 a.m.

Quoting: willdevine

lol what? we outshot the best team in the nhl 49-21 thursday night, and they apparently have the best d-core in the league lmfaoooo. stay off the weed

short-term memory fans.......all the 29-shots-in-first-period games are forgotten now.....

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Dec. 15, 2018 at 5:23 a.m.

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DocArin0

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People whom iv seen making this STL-Leaf trades forget that we cant afford or Mortgage our ELC contract rookies like its nothing, we NEED them in order to get through the cap crunch for the new few years.

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Dec. 15, 2018 at 8:31 a.m.

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palhal

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If the Blues want to trade Pietrangelo,,, there just might be very few potential suitors. He does have a NTC, and I heard he married with to a St Louis girl and has three children. So his "waiveability". just might be limited.
And certainly from most suitors, who have cap issues,,,,similar money has to be returned in virtually any trade.
Parayko with his long term, I don't see why the Blues would want to trade. He can be traded now and if future years if necessary. Blues problems is they seem to have too many players with seemingly untradeable contracts. Aging players, contracts too high, NTCs. It will probably be a mess for a few years.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 9:19 a.m.

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Random2152

in 2 years you figure it out with marleau and other contracts gone.

or you live with the fact you got a top 10 in the league defenseman for 2 years at a great salary for a prospect and a winger you will have trouble keeping long term anyways.

To get a player like Pietrangelo and not have to give up a part of your NHL core would be a steal.

There is a lot of uncertainty coming up between the CBA, the expansion draft and how much the cap will go up, whos to say you cant resign Pietrangelo after marleau, kadri etc's contracts are up?

Dec. 15, 2018 at 9:20 a.m.

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palhal

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Quoting: STLBlues17

Actually if the Leafs thought Pietrangelo "puts them over the top", IMO Nylander Pietrangelo makes the most sense. Leafs will never the lower cap of and good play of Kappy and Liljegren
It just a question if PIetrangelo is that much of a difference maker for the next two years. IMO this year is lost for Nylander due to his delay in signing and really for the Blues. If I'm the Blues, I'd put Nylander at centre....he can be a good centre, and then you can trade Schenn also for a good return.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 9:28 a.m.

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Goulet

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Quoting: STLBlues17

Parayko is the sexy name all the fans want but Pietrangelo makes more sense based on age and cost to acquire.

I like the assessment on Zaitsev however Gardiner's inclusion in there is somewhat inaccurate. His giveaways can be glaring but his defense is criminally underrated. Gardiner's creativity with the puck is what causes Zaitsev to stay home whereas if Zaitsev played with a less creative player, he would naturally be more offensive as he was in year one.

A package for Pietrangelo based around Zaitsev and Liljegren seems palatable for both teams. This deal for Parayko looks good for both sides as well.

Dec. 15, 2018 at 9:30 a.m.

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blowing_the_zone

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Quoting: DocArin0

I like this thread. Good description, the trade seems fair to most posters, good debate with some great back and forth and no one got nasty. We should all look under our chairs.. five stars for everyone!

I think the leafs are close right now and we can play with anyone. But I think your point on Elcs is key. Sustained success vs increased odds for short term gains. I think we'll see patience from the leafs. And I think their window will be open for a long time if Dubas and co. stay the course

Dec. 15, 2018 at 10:24 a.m.

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Random2152

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Quoting: DocArin0

I checked this trade next year before I made it. Why do you think brown was included over Johnsson? It just works, even more so if the blues retain with the pick upgrade option

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