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Tarasenko

Created by: Shibbal18
Initial Creation Date: Dec 17, 2018
Published: Dec 17, 2018 at 2:47 pm
Team: 2018-19 Pittsburgh Penguins
Trades
PIT
  1. Bozak, Tyler
  2. Tarasenko, Vladimir
STL
  1. Brassard, Derick
  2. Murray, Matt
  3. Määttä, Olli
  4. Aston-Reese, Zach
  5. 2019 2nd round pick (PIT)
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Carl Hagelin: $250,000 (6%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
2019
PIT
PIT
BUF
PIT
PIT
VGK
2020
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$79,500,000$76,015,834$0$132,500$3,484,166
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$734,167
LW, RW
UFA - 1
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
PIT
Hörnqvist, Patric
$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Pearson, Tanner
$3,750,000
LW
UFA - 3
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
STL
Tarasenko, Vladimir
$7,500,000
RW
UFA - 5
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
STL
Bozak, Tyler
$5,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Kessel, Phil
$6,800,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Cullen, Matt
$650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
PIT
Sheahan, Riley
$2,100,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
PIT
Wilson, Garrett
$650,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 5
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
PIT
Johnson, Jack
$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
PIT
Oleksiak, Jamie
$2,137,500
LD
UFA - 3
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
$675,000
G
RFA - 2
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
$794,167
LD
UFA - 1
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
$650,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PIT
Dea, Jean-Sébastien
$650,000
C
UFA - 1
PIT
Simon, Dominik
$750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Schultz, Justin
$5,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Grant, Derek
$650,000
RW, C
UFA - 1

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Dec 17, 2018 at 2:59
#1
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huge overpayment. kessel and tarasenko are basically the same player, except vessel is a better passer
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:03
#2
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
huge overpayment. kessel and tarasenko are basically the same player, except vessel is a better passer


Imo, Pitt roles with DeSmith, saving a ton of money (I still think Murray is good, but his numbers are down), Brassard is in need of a change of scenery, Maatta is a good young d, and ZAR is 24 and still hasn't realized his potential on Pitt, change of scenery might help him too.
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:03
#3
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Imo, Pitt roles with DeSmith, saving a ton of money, Brassard is in need of a change of scenery, Maatta is a good young d, and ZAR is 24 and still hasn't realized his potential on Pitt, change of scenery might help him too.


As a Blues fan this is terrible. No value back at all for the Blues besides Murray I guess.
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:05
#4
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: BluesGetTheCup
As a Blues fan this is terrible. No value back at all for the Blues besides Murray I guess.


Maatta, ZAR. Brassard is a UFA at the end of the season, so if he doesnt pick up his play thats a free 3 million in cap and a second to go get some more young talent
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:06
#5
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Quoting: BluesGetTheCup
As a Blues fan this is terrible. No value back at all for the Blues besides Murray I guess.


actually, thats a ton on value imo. murray is a young solid goalie for the future, brassard is solid but he's a free agent after this season, maatta is a solid top 4 dman, ZAR is a terrific depth player who is physical and a very good defender
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Dec 17, 2018 at 3:08
#6
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Imo, Pitt roles with DeSmith, saving a ton of money (I still think Murray is good, but his numbers are down), Brassard is in need of a change of scenery, Maatta is a good young d, and ZAR is 24 and still hasn't realized his potential on Pitt, change of scenery might help him too.


Desmith is riding a hot streak. He's nothing more than a backup. He isn't good enough to steal games in the playoffs like murray can do and has done
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:09
#7
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Maatta, ZAR. Brassard is a UFA at the end of the season, so if he doesnt pick up his play thats a free 3 million in cap and a second to go get some more young talent


Maatta is a 2nd or 3rd pairing D man. ZAR isMAYBE a middle 6 forward. Murray is maybe a good young goalie, but he also might've peaked like Cam Ward. Brassard is a bottom 6 center who is a UFA (no need at all for the Blues if they're moving Tarasenko).

Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
actually, thats a ton on value imo. murray is a young solid goalie for the future, brassard is solid but he's a free agent after this season, maatta is a solid top 4 dman, ZAR is a terrific depth player who is physical and a very good defender


Note what I said above, but also if you're moving your best player (and a top 20 or so player in the league) you don't ask for a UFA, a bottom pairing D man on the blues (Dunn and Edmundson are both better) and a depth player.

That's just ridiculous.
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Dec 17, 2018 at 3:11
#8
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Quoting: BluesGetTheCup
Maatta is a 2nd or 3rd pairing D man. ZAR isMAYBE a middle 6 forward. Murray is maybe a good young goalie, but he also might've peaked like Cam Ward. Brassard is a bottom 6 center who is a UFA (no need at all for the Blues if they're moving Tarasenko).



Note what I said above, but also if you're moving your best player (and a top 20 or so player in the league) you don't ask for a UFA, a bottom pairing D man on the blues (Dunn and Edmundson are both better) and a depth player.

That's just ridiculous.


Agreed, but that is still a lot of value that pittsburgh is sending away. The value is there, its just not the pieces the STL needs
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:12
#9
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: BluesGetTheCup
Maatta is a 2nd or 3rd pairing D man. ZAR isMAYBE a middle 6 forward. Murray is maybe a good young goalie, but he also might've peaked like Cam Ward. Brassard is a bottom 6 center who is a UFA (no need at all for the Blues if they're moving Tarasenko).



Note what I said above, but also if you're moving your best player (and a top 20 or so player in the league) you don't ask for a UFA, a bottom pairing D man on the blues (Dunn and Edmundson are both better) and a depth player.

That's just ridiculous.


Maatta is instantly the Blues top pair LHD, Dunn and Edmundson are not better
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:13
#10
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Agreed, but that is still a lot of value that pittsburgh is sending away. The value is there, its just not the pieces the STL needs


Quantity doesn't equal value. The value is not there at all for a player of Tarasenko's caliber. There isn't a single 1st rounder, top prospect or good young roster player in that trade. Especially when you look at what other teams offers would be. I just don't think there is a fit here for Blues and Pens to make the trade. Pens don't have enough to offer.
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Dec 17, 2018 at 3:13
#11
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Maatta is instantly the Blues top pair LHD, Dunn and Edmundson are not better


Dunn and Edmundson are better, but go ahead. Again, there isn't a fit here.
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:18
#12
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Quoting: BluesGetTheCup
Quantity doesn't equal value. The value is not there at all for a player of Tarasenko's caliber. There isn't a single 1st rounder, top prospect or good young roster player in that trade. Especially when you look at what other teams offers would be. I just don't think there is a fit here for Blues and Pens to make the trade. Pens don't have enough to offer.


Well were going to agree to disagree. From pittsburghs perspective, they are giving up 4 starters, That is a lot of starters 1 team is giving up. Thats why I think its a bad trade for pittsburgh
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Dec 17, 2018 at 3:27
#13
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Edited Dec 17, 2018 at 3:44
You're over the cap when Schultz returns
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:32
#14
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Well were going to agree to disagree. From pittsburghs perspective, they are giving up 4 starters, That is a lot of starters 1 team is giving up. Thats why I think its a bad trade for pittsburgh


Yeah which is why the Blues would rather get a top prospect, 1 young good player and a 1st rounder. They aren't looking for 4 fine/okay roster players.
Dec 17, 2018 at 3:44
#15
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Quoting: BluesGetTheCup
Yeah which is why the Blues would rather get a top prospect, 1 young good player and a 1st rounder. They aren't looking for 4 fine/okay roster players.


Ya I never said it was a good trade for the Blues, I just said its bad for pittsburgh cause they are giving up a lot of pieces for tarasenko, who basically pittsburgh already has with kessel
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Dec 17, 2018 at 3:45
#16
GO PENGUINS GO!
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This is crazy overpayment and not smart. I am not gonna bother explaining as it ticks me off to see this deal.
Dec 17, 2018 at 4:01
#17
Sam
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Quoting: All_Bran
This is crazy overpayment and not smart. I am not gonna bother explaining as it ticks me off to see this deal.


Imagine thinking Pittsburgh loses this trade
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Dec 17, 2018 at 4:07
#18
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Imagine thinking Pittsburgh loses this trade


Imagine only looking at it from STL perspective. Pittsburgh is trading away 4 roster players
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Dec 17, 2018 at 4:11
#19
Sam
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Imagine only looking at it from STL perspective. Pittsburgh is trading away 4 roster players


Ok then the trade is just a complete non-starter from both sides. Saint Louis gets nothing of substance for their star and Pitt creates holes on their roster.
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Dec 17, 2018 at 4:22
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Ok then the trade is just a complete non-starter from both sides. Saint Louis gets nothing of substance for their star and Pitt creates holes on their roster.


Exactly. Tarasenko is a great player, but Pitt doesn’t have the pieces for him and giving up 4 roster players just creates bigger holes
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Dec 17, 2018 at 4:25
#21
Sam
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Exactly. Tarasenko is a great player, but Pitt doesn’t have the pieces for him and giving up 4 roster players just creates bigger holes


Bingo
Dec 17, 2018 at 8:32
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
actually, thats a ton on value imo. murray is a young solid goalie for the future, brassard is solid but he's a free agent after this season, maatta is a solid top 4 dman, ZAR is a terrific depth player who is physical and a very good defender


Tarasenko is worth considerably more than: Murray (now an average looking goalie with injury problems), Maatta (2nd pairing defenceman), ZAR (depth forward) and Brassard who expires this summer anyways. St. Louis doesn't give up their superstar that easily.
Jan 18, 2019 at 10:36
#23
GO PENGUINS GO!
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Imagine thinking Pittsburgh loses this trade


Yes, Imagine... Hmmm does something like I don't know Matt Murray ring a bell to you? Or are you completely forgetting his 2 Stanley Cup Runs. And now he has picked up alot in his play.

I also think we lose this deal because our defense and goaltender are now horrible. Unless you know you think that DeSmith can be a starter and JJ can be a Top 4 dman. But if you have been watching any hockey at all in your life you would see that this deal, makes our team alot weeker on the back end and goaltending.

So ya, we lost if you look at team strength. Idc how good Tarasenko is. He still can't single handedly fix the goaltending and the defense.
 
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