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Team: 2018-19 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 17, 2018
Published: Dec. 17, 2018
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Burky is soon going to be on his way out of DC unless he suddenly turns himself around. At least maybe he’ll be better in a new place, as well as aside former teammate Grubi.
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  1. Greer, AJ
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (COL)
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3rd 2019 becomes a 2nd 2020 if Burakovsky resigns in Colorado for 3+ years OR he plays 35+ games for Colorado in the 2018-19 season
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Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:06 p.m.
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Greer is 22 years old, with 21 AHL points this year, and four career NHL points in 29 games over three seasons.

Burakovsky is 23 years old with 128 NHL points.

I know marijuana is legal in Colorado, but I didn't think crack was.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Greer is 22 years old, with 21 career AHL points.

Burakovsky is 23 years old with 128 NHL points.

I know marijuana is legal in Colorado, but I didn't think crack was.


I didn't realize that careers are now only including 20 games from this current year
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Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:29 p.m.
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The value is actually pretty close if that 3rd becomes a 2nd.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:36 p.m.
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I didn't realize that careers are now only including 20 games from this current year


Oh well. I glanced at his HockeyDB page, saw he was in the AHL this year with 21 points, and that the line before was highlighted a different color, showing he played in a different league. I'm getting used to disregarding the unimportance of leagues people played in before the AHL, as I learn the unimportance of points in junior leagues in predicting NHL performance. Apparently Greer has 4 assists and 35 PIM in 29 NHL games over four seasons in the NHL, but has been sent back to the AHL for most of each year. So he's a AAAA tough guy. Great. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=171577

I"m sure he'd bring lots of energy to the Caps' lineup, but I"m not sure he'd bring much that, say, Tyler Lewington, Conor Hobbs, and Liam O'Brien can't supply.... to say nothing of Tom Wilson.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=129745
Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Greer is 22 years old, with 21 career AHL points.

Burakovsky is 23 years old with 128 NHL points.

I know marijuana is legal in Colorado, but I didn't think crack was.


Greer is a point per game player in the AHL

I still agree that Burakovsky is much more valuable, just dont sell Greer short with made up stats
Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:44 p.m.
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Oh well. I glanced at his HockeyDB page, saw he was in the AHL this year with 21 points, and that the line before was highlighted a different color, showing he played in a different league. I'm getting used to disregarding the unimportance of leagues people played in before the AHL, as I learn the unimportance of points in junior leagues in predicting NHL performance. Apparently Greer has 4 assists and 35 PIM in 29 NHL games over four seasons in the NHL, but has been sent back to the AHL for most of each year. So he's a AAAA tough guy. Great. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=171577

I"m sure he'd bring lots of energy to the Caps' lineup, but I"m not sure he'd bring much that, say, Tyler Lewington, Conor Hobbs, and Liam O'Brien can't supply.... to say nothing of Tom Wilson.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=129745


He has played 3 years in the AHL though. last year was cut short due to injury but was an AHL all star his first year at 20. Have to use context too. his #'s in the NHL aren't good but he has also never been given a good opportunity playing under 8 minutes almost every game.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:48 p.m.
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Greer is a point per game player in the AHL

I still agree that Burakovsky is much more valuable, just dont sell Greer short with made up stats


Reading comprehension is higher when a discussion is framed as serious and people pay attention.

This team was posted by someone calling themself @capshockeyismeh so please forgive me for reading quickly. Garbage in, garbage out. Anyway, fixed.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 6:50 p.m.
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He has played 3 years in the AHL though. last year was cut short due to injury but was an AHL all star his first year at 20. Have to use context too. his #'s in the NHL aren't good but he has also never been given a good opportunity playing under 8 minutes almost every game.


Interesting, academically, but not interesting to the defending champs, when compared to someone who has as many points in Stanley Cup Finals as Greer has in the NHL.

Also, Greer seems to take a few penalties. Burakovsky is currently being scratched for taking two penalties in a four-zero win.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 7:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Reading comprehension is higher when a discussion is framed as serious and people pay attention.

This team was posted by someone calling themself @capshockeyismeh so please forgive me for reading quickly. Garbage in, garbage out. Anyway, fixed.


I honestly feel this trade is quite equal, especially with the conditions set. While it doesn’t appear spectacular and star filled up front, Greer is a decent and young forward. As a caps fan, I truly believe Burakovsky will not be what we expect him to. While our opinions may differ, I believe Greer and a pick (potentially even a 2nd) would be good for the caps. Yes, they may have that potential spark lying in the AHL, but almost all of those players are quite close to missing their window to bridge the gap into the NHL (not even taking into consideration the injuries).

Additionally, I don’t think my name has anything to do with your response. I’m a caps fan, I’ve been through those terrible downs and tremendous ups. I think I can say the same about you with your “capsmourner” in the title.
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Dec. 17, 2018 at 7:30 p.m.
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Pretty even trade as it stands. Greer will be a solid third liner for somebody whether it be the Avs or someone else, maybe even a solid second liner if he can turn the point production on (but then he needs a shot with the right linemates to even stand a chance!) He hasn't really been given a chance to play as anything but a fourth line grinder with the Avs so far whereas he's probably playing a top line role in the AHL akin to Landeskog's in the NHL. Think there is some definite under rating going on as far as Greer is concerned. Whether either team needs to do it is another matter.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 7:31 p.m.
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I honestly feel this trade is quite equal, especially with the conditions set. While it doesn’t appear spectacular and star filled up front, Greer is a decent and young forward. As a caps fan, I truly believe Burakovsky will not be what we expect him to. While our opinions may differ, I believe Greer and a pick (potentially even a 2nd) would be good for the caps. Yes, they may have that potential spark lying in the AHL, but almost all of those players are quite close to missing their window to bridge the gap into the NHL (not even taking into consideration the injuries).

Additionally, I don’t think my name has anything to do with your response. I’m a caps fan, I’ve been through those terrible downs and tremendous ups. I think I can say the same about you with your “capsmourner” in the title.

Lol. You got me on that last one.

Burakovsky was a 17g 21a 38p wing at 21 injured at 22, mismanaged by Trotz at 23.... and then scored six points in six playoff games for the Cup.

I don't know what you think I think he'll become, but over the last four years he's 119th among forwards in p/60 (min 100 games). http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterscoring&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20142015&seasonTo=20172018&gameType=2&position=F&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,100&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=pointsPer60Minutes


He's 145th among forwards in even strength goals over the same span. With 31 teams, there are 186 top six forwards. I'm not waiting for him to become what he has been for four years.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 7:36 p.m.
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If the Avs want Burakovsky, I think the Caps should start with a rental on Nemeth and Bourque, then add picks and prospects. Greer and a 4th?

Or I'm okay with building a deal around Zadorov, as a Col fan proposed today. He might not take penalties like Greer, but he hits more and he's an almost average pk2 guy, when not healthy scratched.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 8:31 a.m.
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If the Avs want Burakovsky, I think the Caps should start with a rental on Nemeth and Bourque, then add picks and prospects. Greer and a 4th?

Or I'm okay with building a deal around Zadorov, as a Col fan proposed today. He might not take penalties like Greer, but he hits more and he's an almost average pk2 guy, when not healthy scratched.


This just.... funny.

Something just clicked for me. The Caps need to shed salary to sign guys this year. The Caps only have 7 F (NHL quality) signed past June. None of their high $ guys are expiring, all low $. Varana and Djoos are going to need new deals and the Caps are at the cap. They are going to need Burakovsky's $3M space just to keep going. He is going to be a cap dump like Johansson was. Johansson was a considerably better all around player than Burakovsky. Johansson got a 2nd and a 3rd so Burakovsky should rate a 3rd and a meh prospect, maybe a 3rd and a 5th type thing. A 3rd would start at #63, so if you get a high winning team who's 2nd will be around #55+, you might be able to squeeze a 2nd for him, that kind of 2nd for Burakovsky + 5th. Maybe.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 9:22 a.m.
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This just.... funny.

Something just clicked for me. The Caps need to shed salary to sign guys this year. The Caps only have 7 F (NHL quality) signed past June. None of their high $ guys are expiring, all low $. Varana and Djoos are going to need new deals and the Caps are at the cap. They are going to need Burakovsky's $3M space just to keep going. He is going to be a cap dump like Johansson was. Johansson was a considerably better all around player than Burakovsky. Johansson got a 2nd and a 3rd so Burakovsky should rate a 3rd and a meh prospect, maybe a 3rd and a 5th type thing. A 3rd would start at #63, so if you get a high winning team who's 2nd will be around #55+, you might be able to squeeze a 2nd for him, that kind of 2nd for Burakovsky + 5th. Maybe.


Nothing "just clicked." You're quoting Caps fan posts from July about issues that are no longer concerns.

Johansson's #'s>>>>Burakovsky's. Burakovsky's skils>>>Johansson's. Johansson played most of his ice time with Ovechkin and Backstrom, because he could keep up with them, speed-wise, but his numbers weren't close to theirs, so other teams gave him the same kind of lowball offers Sheary got. Burakovsky has played with Eller, Beagle, Boyd, whoever. The primary assists on his goals this year come from Eller, Kempny, Niskanen, Orlov, and Vrana. Over the last four years he's in the top 186 forwards in G, A, P, P/G, P/60, ESP, ESG. He's a bona fide top six forward, on his own, not a complimentary scorer on the top line, but someone who gets the puck from the defensemen and puts it in the back of the net. But call us when Johansson scores two goals in a game seven.

Djoos is on IR with 4 points in a third of this season. He'll be back next year, under $1M. Or Siegenthaler will get his spot at 800k, and he'll get traded somewhere that loves advanced stats for a depth player to help out the PK. Not a big concern.

Burakovsky is on pace for 21 points this year. He's not getting a raise, even in arbitration. He's worth more in trade than in salary, which further increases his trade value to teams with actual cap problems.

Fans of other teams are suggesting Vrana and prospects for Parayko, Nylander, maybe even Tarasenko...

Niskanen's scoring like a #1 defenseman at even strength for the third straight year and has five teams listed as exceptions to his NTC. Holtby comes from Alberta, where two teams want starting goalies. The Caps have Samsonov and Vanecek who might each be ready to start next year. Orpik's new contract is expiring and with more injuries and time, he might or might not decide to return.

Even if the Caps give Burakovsky a Q.O. at 3.3x2 and offer Vrana 4Mx6 to 8, they still have cap space to add a couple of depth pieces at the deadline, who are signed through next year, without worrying about their two pending RFA middle six wings.

If I still thought they might have to trade Burakovsky for salary cap reasons, I probably wouldn't be suggesting trading him for three pending free agents with a combined value above $5M? Unless I'm just as happy to let three guys walk as one, and I understand that Colorado, with its own upcoming cap concerns after re-upping Rantanen, would rather just extend Burakovsky at 4M as a middle six wing with a recent ring, than Nemeth at 3M as 3LD, Zadorov at 3M at 4LD, and Bourque at 1M at 14F? Then I'd just have to look at what position I value depth at the most, for one playoff run, and that's defense, so I'm good there.

The Caps finally have two good centers who can elevate whatever wings are stuck with them. Burakovsky, for whatever reason, hasn't earned ice time with either. Vrana has. If it's me, I'm trading Vrana for Senko, and keeping Bura at 3M.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 10:06 a.m.
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Nothing "just clicked." You're quoting Caps fan posts from July about issues that are no longer concerns.

Johansson's #'s>>>>Burakovsky's. Burakovsky's skils>>>Johansson's. Johansson played most of his ice time with Ovechkin and Backstrom, because he could keep up with them, speed-wise, but his numbers weren't close to theirs, so other teams gave him the same kind of lowball offers Sheary got. Burakovsky has played with Eller, Beagle, Boyd, whoever. The primary assists on his goals this year come from Eller, Kempny, Niskanen, Orlov, and Vrana. Over the last four years he's in the top 186 forwards in G, A, P, P/G, P/60, ESP, ESG. He's a bona fide top six forward, on his own, not a complimentary scorer on the top line, but someone who gets the puck from the defensemen and puts it in the back of the net. But call us when Johansson scores two goals in a game seven.

Djoos is on IR with 4 points in a third of this season. He'll be back next year, under $1M. Or Siegenthaler will get his spot at 800k, and he'll get traded somewhere that loves advanced stats for a depth player to help out the PK. Not a big concern.

Burakovsky is on pace for 21 points this year. He's not getting a raise, even in arbitration. He's worth more in trade than in salary, which further increases his trade value to teams with actual cap problems.

Fans of other teams are suggesting Vrana and prospects for Parayko, Nylander, maybe even Tarasenko...

Niskanen's scoring like a #1 defenseman at even strength for the third straight year and has five teams listed as exceptions to his NTC. Holtby comes from Alberta, where two teams want starting goalies. The Caps have Samsonov and Vanecek who might each be ready to start next year. Orpik's new contract is expiring and with more injuries and time, he might or might not decide to return.

Even if the Caps give Burakovsky a Q.O. at 3.3x2 and offer Vrana 4Mx6 to 8, they still have cap space to add a couple of depth pieces at the deadline, who are signed through next year, without worrying about their two pending RFA middle six wings.

If I still thought they might have to trade Burakovsky for salary cap reasons, I probably wouldn't be suggesting trading him for three pending free agents with a combined value above $5M? Unless I'm just as happy to let three guys walk as one, and I understand that Colorado, with its own upcoming cap concerns after re-upping Rantanen, would rather just extend Burakovsky at 4M as a middle six wing with a recent ring, than Nemeth at 3M as 3LD, Zadorov at 3M at 4LD, and Bourque at 1M at 14F? Then I'd just have to look at what position I value depth at the most, for one playoff run, and that's defense, so I'm good there.

The Caps finally have two good centers who can elevate whatever wings are stuck with them. Burakovsky, for whatever reason, hasn't earned ice time with either. Vrana has. If it's me, I'm trading Vrana for Senko, and keeping Bura at 3M.


No, it did just click for me when I went to look at who else had contracts up this summer. And I only read about 100 of your 526 word post. 200 words dude...

Saying that Burakovsky is better than Johansson... just... such poor player evaluation ability. You amaze me nearly every day. "He's a bona fide top six forward, on his own" is that why he can't crack the lineup over the likes of Connolly, Jaskin, DSP, Boyd, Dowd and Stephenson? A baoafide top 6, on his own... but can't get a spot over Nick Dowd? Boyd? Jaskin? Your conclusions are consistently in error.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 11:12 a.m.
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No, it did just click for me when I went to look at who else had contracts up this summer. And I only read about 100 of your 526 word post. 200 words dude...

Saying that Burakovsky is better than Johansson... just... such poor player evaluation ability. You amaze me nearly every day. "He's a bona fide top six forward, on his own" is that why he can't crack the lineup over the likes of Connolly, Jaskin, DSP, Boyd, Dowd and Stephenson? A baoafide top 6, on his own... but can't get a spot over Nick Dowd? Boyd? Jaskin? Your conclusions are consistently in error.


Caps are stacked with scorers. They had Chiasson in the press box last year. Chiasson leads the Oilers' listed wings in goals this year.

31 teams x 6 top six scorers=186 top six players. Over the last four years, 23 year old Andre Burakovsy is one based on total goals, assists, points, even strength goals, even strength points, points per game, points per sixty minutes, etc.

He played third line in the playoffs last year on a line with Lars Eller, and scored two goals in game seven against the Lightning, then tied for 6th on either team in points in the Stanley Cup Finals, with four in five games. On an average NHL team, he's an upgrade on the 2nd line. Johansson has 500 points in 10,0000 minutes, including lots of time with Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Hall. Burakovsky has 128 points in 2500 minutes, including almost no time with Ovechkin or Backstrom, and he hasn't been played with Kuznetsov since Kuznetsov's rookie year. Yes, I did just say that Burakovsky is better, and the numbers back me up.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 12:46 p.m.
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Caps are stacked with scorers. They had Chiasson in the press box last year. Chiasson leads the Oilers' listed wings in goals this year.

31 teams x 6 top six scorers=186 top six players. Over the last four years, 23 year old Andre Burakovsy is one based on total goals, assists, points, even strength goals, even strength points, points per game, points per sixty minutes, etc.

He played third line in the playoffs last year on a line with Lars Eller, and scored two goals in game seven against the Lightning, then tied for 6th on either team in points in the Stanley Cup Finals, with four in five games. On an average NHL team, he's an upgrade on the 2nd line. Johansson has 500 points in 10,0000 minutes, including lots of time with Ovechkin, Backstrom, and Hall. Burakovsky has 128 points in 2500 minutes, including almost no time with Ovechkin or Backstrom, and he hasn't been played with Kuznetsov since Kuznetsov's rookie year. Yes, I did just say that Burakovsky is better, and the numbers back me up.


I'm just going to copy/past this since you failed to counter it at all: "...he can't crack the lineup over the likes of Connolly, Jaskin, DSP, Boyd, Dowd and Stephenson? A baoafide top 6, on his own... but can't get a spot over Nick Dowd? Boyd? Jaskin? Your conclusions are consistently in error."

And for the millionth time (by me and other people that respond to you) points are not the only measure of a player. A guy that gets 30 points is not necessarily better than a guy that gets 29 points, or a guy that gets 9 points, or even a guy that gets 2 points. That works when looking at who to get in NHL19, but not in real life. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
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I'm just going to copy/past this since you failed to counter it at all: "...he can't crack the lineup over the likes of Connolly, Jaskin, DSP, Boyd, Dowd and Stephenson? A baoafide top 6, on his own... but can't get a spot over Nick Dowd? Boyd? Jaskin? Your conclusions are consistently in error."

And for the millionth time (by me and other people that respond to you) points are not the only measure of a player. A guy that gets 30 points is not necessarily better than a guy that gets 29 points, or a guy that gets 9 points, or even a guy that gets 2 points. That works when looking at who to get in NHL19, but not in real life. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.


Yeah, he took two dumb minor penalties on consecutive shifts in the third period of a 4-0 win. So he's in the press box, eating popcorn, and watching Jaskin play his minutes. Rough lesson to learn over two boneheaded plays. The first one he just didn't get his stick out of a guys way, and the guy tripped over it, and when you're up 4-0, late, the refs don't spot you those. The second one, he crashed into a guy, apparently by accident, and then grabbed him to keep him from falling face-first, and got called for holding. I think holding him up was the right thing to do, but obviously bumping into him was rude and careless. I hope he's told Reirden and the penalty killers how sorry he feels about the whole thing, but I don't know if he'll learn his lesson until he takes a few more shifts on PK, and learns what hard work it is. Actually, as fast as he and Vrana are, they should each be learning PK by now, in limited minutes, late in games where the team holds insurmountable leads. They shouldn't be expected to play PK in this year's playoffs. No one who's just learning to play a regular PK shift should. And that's why I'm so adamant the Caps don't trade him for Granlund.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 1:10 p.m.
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Yeah, he took two dumb minor penalties on consecutive shifts in the third period of a 4-0 win. So he's in the press box, eating popcorn, and watching Jaskin play his minutes. Rough lesson to learn over two boneheaded plays. The first one he just didn't get his stick out of a guys way, and the guy tripped over it, and when you're up 4-0, late, the refs don't spot you those. The second one, he crashed into a guy, apparently by accident, and then grabbed him to keep him from falling face-first, and got called for holding. I think holding him up was the right thing to do, but obviously bumping into him was rude and careless. I hope he's told Reirden and the penalty killers how sorry he feels about the whole thing, but I don't know if he'll learn his lesson until he takes a few more shifts on PK, and learns what hard work it is. Actually, as fast as he and Vrana are, they should each be learning PK by now, in limited minutes, late in games where the team holds insurmountable leads. They shouldn't be expected to play PK in this year's playoffs. No one who's just learning to play a regular PK shift should. And that's why I'm so adamant the Caps don't trade him for Granlund.


You don't get scratched for a couple bad plays, you get benched a few shifts, the rest of a period. He is scratched because his overall game is not good.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 1:16 p.m.
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You don't get scratched for a couple bad plays, you get benched a few shifts, the rest of a period. He is scratched because his overall game is not good.


Happened to Kessel in Toronto. You compared the two yesterday.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 1:24 p.m.
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Happened to Kessel in Toronto. You compared the two yesterday.


Kessel was never scratched in Toronto, not even once.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 1:41 p.m.
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Kessel was never scratched in Toronto, not even once.


Oh right. That was in Boston. Before he went to Toronto and complained to the Toronto media about the Toronto fans, causing them to trade him away at massive retained salary for Kapanen and a pick. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/boston-bruins/morning-skate-kessel-complains-about-toronto-fans-media
Dec. 18, 2018 at 1:48 p.m.
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Oh right. That was in Boston. Before he went to Toronto and complained to the Toronto media about the Toronto fans, causing them to trade him away at massive retained salary for Kapanen and a pick. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/boston-bruins/morning-skate-kessel-complains-about-toronto-fans-media


Yeah, I know what happened. My sky is blue and my sun is yellow with a little orange. I understand what happens in this reality, Earth 616. But I don't know what your point of going down this path is? Is this all supposed to counter something that I said?
Dec. 18, 2018 at 2:01 p.m.
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Yeah, I know what happened. My sky is blue and my sun is yellow with a little orange. I understand what happens in this reality, Earth 616. But I don't know what your point of going down this path is? Is this all supposed to counter something that I said?


You joined the conversation as a Pens fan, to insult a Caps player in an attempt to drive down his trade value. I don't want to start insulting the Penguins by pointing out that they only have five forwards with more goals than Burakovsky, all but one of whom has played about twice as many minutes as he has this year, but if you'd like me to, I wrote you a whole paragraph about that yesterday, and I can probably dig it up.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 2:18 p.m.
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You joined the conversation as a Pens fan, to insult a Caps player in an attempt to drive down his trade value. I don't want to start insulting the Penguins by pointing out that they only have five forwards with more goals than Burakovsky, all but one of whom has played about twice as many minutes as he has this year, but if you'd like me to, I wrote you a whole paragraph about that yesterday, and I can probably dig it up.


You mean when I said that Burakovsky has the physicality and defense of Kessel? That was joining a conversation as someone that understands hockey beyond meaningless deep dive stats and making an accurate comparison between two players. If that hurts then that is because truth hurts. is there something incorrect with that Burakovsky/Kessel comparison? (No) So, you brought Kessel into THIS thread to slap my wrist for something that I said elsewhere, but that comparison was on the money. You failed.

Rag on any Penguin player that you want. I do it all of the time. Malkin is a lumbering oaf. Brassard is a failure in Pittsburgh. Hagelin was paid 4x too much for what he provided. Rust got paid and has gone to sleep. I've never like Sheahan. Maatta is slow. Johnson looks like he is 50. Murray might as well not even wear a catching glove. Oh, I'm sorry. Was that not where you expected that to go?

I don't see any Penguin fans suggesting to trade Rust + for Nylander, like people (cough) have suggested with Burakovsky.

I'm not a homer. I don't just follow one team. And best of all, I don't have to make an attempt to drive down Burakovsky's trade vale. He has done that all on his own.
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