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Team: 2019-20 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 18, 2018
Published: Dec. 18, 2018
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2$925,000
1$925,000
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  2. 2020 4th round pick (LAK)
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  1. Kulikov, Dmitry
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
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  1. Krug, Torey
  2. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (BOS)
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BOS
  1. 2021 4th round pick (WPG)
  2. 2021 7th round pick (WPG)
  3. 2022 6th round pick (WPG)
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22$83,000,000$84,130,001$0$272,500-$1,130,001

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$5,291,667$5,291,667
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UFA - 5
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C, RW, LW
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LW, RW
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$2,916,667$2,916,667
C
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G
UFA - 5
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LD
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UFA - 1
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$7,600,000$7,600,000
RD
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UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000 (Performance Bonus$60,000$60K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Dec. 18, 2018 at 4:49 p.m.
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I think your contracts are a bit low. I also don’t think Myers is signed next season. It’s going to be tight but jets have decent contracts.
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Dec. 18, 2018 at 5:00 p.m.
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LA would never do this...! time to go with youngers and they are tight $$$
Try maybe MTL they need a LHD.
Trouba wont get you Krug + 1st... as much as I like him Boston say no thanks!
Dec. 18, 2018 at 5:05 p.m.
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That's a creative way to a return for Trouba and still getting a LHD for the Jets. Don't see Myers has four year guy.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 5:36 p.m.
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Just looking at the trouba trade, couple big problems. Krug has another year at a team friendly rate, trouba is up at the end of the season and wants to get paid. Krug for trouba straight up is fair, but ditch the picks. Still doesn’t work for Boston. Their top four on the right side is set, with no need to add.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 6:24 p.m.
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Just looking at the trouba trade, couple big problems. Krug has another year at a team friendly rate, trouba is up at the end of the season and wants to get paid. Krug for trouba straight up is fair, but ditch the picks. Still doesn’t work for Boston. Their top four on the right side is set, with no need to add.


While I do agree that BOS has enough on the right side. AND that pretty much makes this trade not doable... It's not a straight up deal. That's crazy talk. I don't even need to get into the players...They are VERY different Dmen...but simply being an RFA vs UFA is a world of difference. Not close. Krug can walk for nothing. Trouba can't. Heck you can even play hardball with Trouba...as CHEVY has done time and time again...and Trouba just has to take it.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 6:33 p.m.
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Yeah I don't like that you'll have to pay Krug big bucks after the 1 season. Plus the Bruins don't need a RHD. What about Trouba and a 2nd for Brandon Carlo and a 1st? That way the Bruins have an opening on the right side for Trouba. Plus you can bridge Carlo on a 2 year deal like Morrissey has. Probably get him at 2×3 million. Let Myers walk and instead pick up a left hand D in free agency.

Another idea. The blues are looking to shake things up in any way they can. Trouba for Parayko strait up? What do blues fans think of that?
Dec. 18, 2018 at 6:59 p.m.
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Trouba will be looking at specific regions, Still think that Detroit, Tampa and Florida will be the 3 front runners for his services in 2020. No teams are going to give Winnipeg what they wants. Unless he agree's to sign long term with said teams. And i'm pretty sure the list is short.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 8:21 p.m.
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While I do agree that BOS has enough on the right side. AND that pretty much makes this trade not doable... It's not a straight up deal. That's crazy talk. I don't even need to get into the players...They are VERY different Dmen...but simply being an RFA vs UFA is a world of difference. Not close. Krug can walk for nothing. Trouba can't. Heck you can even play hardball with Trouba...as CHEVY has done time and time again...and Trouba just has to take it.


He has arbitration rights. He can take one year of arb and then walk. It's exactly what's going on with stone in Ottawa
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Dec. 18, 2018 at 8:34 p.m.
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He has arbitration rights. He can take one year of arb and then walk. It's exactly what's going on with stone in Ottawa


Yeah, I dont entirely disagree with that. It's also possible some team gets a player that's just sick and tired of Chevy and wants "respect" BUT also if BOS can't come to terms....trade him at the draft. They'll get a haul just like they will with Krug.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 9:54 p.m.
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While I do agree that BOS has enough on the right side. AND that pretty much makes this trade not doable... It's not a straight up deal. That's crazy talk. I don't even need to get into the players...They are VERY different Dmen...but simply being an RFA vs UFA is a world of difference. Not close. Krug can walk for nothing. Trouba can't. Heck you can even play hardball with Trouba...as CHEVY has done time and time again...and Trouba just has to take it.


IMO the Jets haven't played hardball with Trouba at all. Trouba has decided to take short term contracts in order to be a UFA as soon as possible. Certainly Trouba has exercised his CBA rights to do this and it might have cost him some money, but it certainly appeared the Trouba has sacrificed more money, long term security for UFA status in 2020.
Dec. 19, 2018 at 12:00 a.m.
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Yeah, I dont entirely disagree with that. It's also possible some team gets a player that's just sick and tired of Chevy and wants "respect" BUT also if BOS can't come to terms....trade him at the draft. They'll get a haul just like they will with Krug.


Ya.....which is why value wise a one for one swap is fine
Dec. 19, 2018 at 7:34 a.m.
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Ya.....which is why value wise a one for one swap is fine


But you miss the chance for a long term deal. We can discuss whether or not nylander was worth the money, but at least hes on the team. He didnt walk away to another team for nothing.

Let me rephrase the situation. If Nylander were a UFA...would he be in TOR? Would he be getting paid more? The single most powerful tool in a negotiation is having options. Nylander is apparently rich as sin already...I've heard and just taking their word...his option was sit out. If Trouba saves his money and also comes from money that's his only other option. Krug has 30 other teams to get offers from.
Dec. 19, 2018 at 8:19 a.m.
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Edited Dec. 19, 2018 at 8:39 a.m.
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IMO the Jets haven't played hardball with Trouba at all. Trouba has decided to take short term contracts in order to be a UFA as soon as possible. Certainly Trouba has exercised his CBA rights to do this and it might have cost him some money, but it certainly appeared the Trouba has sacrificed more money, long term security for UFA status in 2020.


I think Chevy has done a good job overall. Hard to argue when he gets Schiefle for $6.125 and Ehlers for $6M. Big Buf for $7.6M? Wheeler for $8.25M @ 32 already? Probably not the best signings considering Laine, Connor, and maybe Trouba. It's not easy to be a real GM. This specific situation is also NOT a 1 way street on hardball that's for sure. Trouba wants out of WPG, but what's the reason behind it? We may never know the real reason. One side could argue he wants to go back to DET where he's from and played. The other side could argue that he just wanted long term security from WPG...didn't get it because WPG didn't value him as much as he though. Which lead him to the 1 years deals even going to arbitration.
Dec. 19, 2018 at 8:54 a.m.
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I think Chevy has done a good job overall. Hard to argue when he gets Schiefle for $6.125 and Ehlers for $6M. Big Buf for $7.6M? Wheeler for $8.25M @ 32 already? Probably not the best signings considering Laine, Connor, and maybe Trouba. It's not easy to be a real GM. This specific situation is also NOT a 1 way street on hardball that's for sure. Trouba wants out of WPG, but what's the reason behind it? We may never know the real reason. One side could argue he wants to go back to DET where he's from and played. The other side could argue that he just wanted long term security from WPG...didn't get it because WPG didn't value him as much as he though. Which lead him to the 1 years deals even going to arbitration.


Agree with you that Chevy has done a good job overall. One thing you can't predict is the future. Thinking the NTC and long contract to Little and the Kulikov contract were too deal that might hurt them, but who would've guessed Laine and Connor who have been so good so soon, and maybe get such big contracts coming off their ELCs. It's something like the Leafs, young players would might get more $$$ earlier than expected. Not that is really a problem, having too many good players especially if they are signed to fair contracts. Some contract can always be traded. It my opinion, Nylander and his contract will have to traded this summer for cap space, so some money can be spent on short term dman help.
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Dec. 19, 2018 at 8:55 a.m.
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Agree with you that Chevy has done a good job overall. One thing you can't predict is the future. Thinking the NTC and long contract to Little and the Kulikov contract were too deal that might hurt them, but who would've guessed Laine and Connor who have been so good so soon, and maybe get such big contracts coming off their ELCs. It's something like the Leafs, young players would might get more $$$ earlier than expected. Not that is really a problem, having too many good players especially if they are signed to fair contracts. Some contract can always be traded. It my opinion, Nylander and his contract will have to traded this summer for cap space, so some money can be spent on short term dman help.


Palhal. What do you think TOR would give for Duncan Keith...with half retained salary?
Dec. 19, 2018 at 9:05 a.m.
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Palhal. What do you think TOR would give for Duncan Keith...with half retained salary?


I don't know if the Leafs would really be interested in a LHD. Reilly and Dermot seem to be locked down spots long term. Then is Rosen, maybe even Sandin next year. Just think any trade/signing would be for RHD. Next year Zaitsev and Ozhigakov (I think he has been improving in his rookies year) and then not so sure. Don't know if Liljegren is ready next year. A trade with Carolina seems like a good fit.
Montreal has cap space and a need LHD. But the issue with NTC Keith will he want to leave his Chicago home.
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Dec. 19, 2018 at 9:09 a.m.
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I don't know if the Leafs would really be interested in a LHD. Reilly and Dermot seem to be locked down spots long term. Then is Rosen, maybe even Sandin next year. Just think any trade/signing would be for RHD. Next year Zaitsev and Ozhigakov (I think he has been improving in his rookies year) and then not so sure. Don't know if Liljegren is ready next year. A trade with Carolina seems like a good fit.
Montreal has cap space and a need LHD. But the issue with NTC Keith will he want to leave his Chicago home.


That's fair. I was just looking at Gardiner being a UFA and Keith with $2.7M cap hit is pretty good. I don't know about Keith's desire to stay in any one place. My wife and I actually live near him and have see him out to eat a few times. He's typically alone and just asks for whatever TV is closest to him turn to another hockey game going on. No one bothers him at all. He just lives and breaths hockey 24/7. He may just want to win and not be the "mentor".
Dec. 19, 2018 at 9:15 a.m.
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That's fair. I was just looking at Gardiner being a UFA and Keith with $2.7M cap hit is pretty good. I don't know about Keith's desire to stay in any one place. My wife and I actually live near him and have see him out to eat a few times. He's typically alone and just asks for whatever TV is closest to him turn to another hockey game going on. No one bothers him at all. He just lives and breaths hockey 24/7. He may just want to win and not be the "mentor".


You should go up and speak (bother) to him.Very Angry Tell him you need information about his willingness to waive his NTC, so you can make good decisions on CapFriendly trades.grimace I'm sure he will be quite willing to tell you all confidential, personal info if it helps you make your fantasy teams. smile
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Dec. 19, 2018 at 9:21 a.m.
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You should go up and speak (bother) to him.Very Angry Tell him you need information about his willingness to waive his NTC, so you can make good decisions on CapFriendly trades.grimace I'm sure he will be quite willing to tell you all confidential, personal info if it helps you make your fantasy teams. smile


Never! I don't want to be "THAT GUY". But My wife has no problems trying to sneak photos...looking like a kreeper…
Dec. 19, 2018 at 11:03 a.m.
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But you miss the chance for a long term deal. We can discuss whether or not nylander was worth the money, but at least hes on the team. He didnt walk away to another team for nothing.

Let me rephrase the situation. If Nylander were a UFA...would he be in TOR? Would he be getting paid more? The single most powerful tool in a negotiation is having options. Nylander is apparently rich as sin already...I've heard and just taking their word...his option was sit out. If Trouba saves his money and also comes from money that's his only other option. Krug has 30 other teams to get offers from.


well, no. no to all of that. Krug has a full year after this before reaching free agency. Trouba will be an RFA at the end of this season, and it's his last RFA year before becoming a UFA. So, when acquiring either player, you have essentially the same thing in terms of negotiating a long term deal. You're guaranteed to have them next season, and you have a full year to negotiate before they both become UFA. The only difference is with Krug you have cost certainty, and Trouba will likely get more money in arbitration if he goes that route.
Dec. 19, 2018 at 11:23 a.m.
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well, no. no to all of that. Krug has a full year after this before reaching free agency. Trouba will be an RFA at the end of this season, and it's his last RFA year before becoming a UFA. So, when acquiring either player, you have essentially the same thing in terms of negotiating a long term deal. You're guaranteed to have them next season, and you have a full year to negotiate before they both become UFA. The only difference is with Krug you have cost certainty, and Trouba will likely get more money in arbitration if he goes that route.


What you're describing is the worst case outcome for Trouba...his contract becomes equal to Krug by going to arbitration (don't know what he'll get) then becomes a UFA just like Krug. That's the worst case. AND THEN YES, I would agree with you and every step you're talking about. What happens if a team trades for Trouba today...and signs him to an extension? He's more likely to sign a reasonable extension when he doesn't have 30 other places he can go to. There's SERIOUS value to being an RFA. The 1 single extra year Krug has...is good. It's better than not having it, but it doesn't compare to being able to negotiate with an RFA for long term value.
Dec. 19, 2018 at 11:30 a.m.
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What you're describing is the worst case outcome for Trouba...his contract becomes equal to Krug by going to arbitration (don't know what he'll get) then becomes a UFA just like Krug. That's the worst case. AND THEN YES, I would agree with you and every step you're talking about. What happens if a team trades for Trouba today...and signs him to an extension? He's more likely to sign a reasonable extension when he doesn't have 30 other places he can go to. There's SERIOUS value to being an RFA. The 1 single extra year Krug has...is good. It's better than not having it, but it doesn't compare to being able to negotiate with an RFA for long term value.


okay. everything you just said about trouba....apply it to krug.

You've got a full year to negotiate with him, so what if he doesn't go to UFA? What if he signs a reasonable extension when he doesn't have 30 other teams to negotiate with?

ya, it's the same thing.
Dec. 19, 2018 at 11:40 a.m.
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okay. everything you just said about trouba....apply it to krug.

You've got a full year to negotiate with him, so what if he doesn't go to UFA? What if he signs a reasonable extension when he doesn't have 30 other teams to negotiate with?

ya, it's the same thing.


Again, yes. If you're ONLY looking at the worst case option. There are more options than the worst case. Does being an RFA have value. Yes? No? It's Yes and it's more than the 1 single year of Krug. It's easier to sign Trouba to a long term extension when you can't negotiate with other teams. Same thing with College Players. How easy is it to sign a Senior in college? He might just say...nah I'm going to search on my own. ala Vesey, Butcher, Kevin Hayes...etc...
Dec. 19, 2018 at 11:50 a.m.
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Again, yes. If you're ONLY looking at the worst case option. There are more options than the worst case. Does being an RFA have value. Yes? No? It's Yes and it's more than the 1 single year of Krug. It's easier to sign Trouba to a long term extension when you can't negotiate with other teams. Same thing with College Players. How easy is it to sign a Senior in college? He might just say...nah I'm going to search on my own. ala Vesey, Butcher, Kevin Hayes...etc...


k. it's easier to negotiate with someone who doesn't have arbitration rights.
 
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