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Initial Creation Date: Dec. 22, 2018
Published: Dec. 22, 2018
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Matthews and marner take discounts to stay in Toronto...
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 1:52 a.m.
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carolna should add necas too. tom dundon to top it up.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 1:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
carolna should add necas too. tom dundon to top it up.


I was going to make the trade for tvr instead of pesce because I wanted people to focus on the contracts and not the trade.... then I thought well then all they are going to be focussed on is “wow look at that defense”.... so I went with this trade. Guess you can never win when you’re dealing with idiots....
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 1:58 a.m.
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I see what you're doing...but Sandin will be NHL ready sooner than Liljegren, despite shot-sided-ness.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 1:58 a.m.
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I was going to make the trade for tvr instead of pesce because I wanted people to focus on the contracts and not the trade.... then I thought well then all they are going to be focussed on is “wow look at that defense”.... so I went with this trade. Guess you can never win when you’re dealing with idiots....


i was joking man lol. but on a ss note, i dont see car trading any of thier forwards. esp not svech. like this kid has 40 goal per season potential.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 2:01 a.m.
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i was joking man lol. but on a ss note, i dont see car trading any of thier forwards. esp not svech. like this kid has 40 goal per season potential.


Yup I agree, I also don’t see the leafs moving Kadri or paying M&M damn near 30m either.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 2:14 a.m.
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Yup I agree, I also don’t see the leafs moving Kadri or paying M&M damn near 30m either.


Who do you think would be a good comp for Marner?
Dec. 22, 2018 at 2:37 a.m.
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Who do you think would be a good comp for Marner?


Gaudreau is a good comparable but an older signing I think that of all players in the league marner reminds me the most of Johnny.

9.25% of the cap would be 7.7m and I would think that’s where the leafs start... if Rantanen were to get signed before him I would think the leafs would have an absolute upper limit. If Rantanen were to sign for let’s say 9m I think the leafs could easily get marner at 8.5m max.

I hear a lot of people saying kucherov but really his first ask before the bridge was 7.5m then after a 40 goal 85 point season and then a 39 goal 100 point season he got the 9.5m deal. Marner is putting up assists at a much higher rate this season but is still scoring goals at the same pace.

I think the best answer is that there really aren’t a lot of great examples.

I think he falls somewhere between gaudreau and kucherov, maybe around draisaitl type money.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 2:39 a.m.
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Gaudreau is a good comparable but an older signing I think that of all players in the league marner reminds me the most of Johnny.

9.25% of the cap would be 7.7m and I would think that’s where the leafs start... if Rantanen were to get signed before him I would think the leafs would have an absolute upper limit. If Rantanen were to sign for let’s say 9m I think the leafs could easily get marner at 8.5m max.

I hear a lot of people saying kucherov but really his first ask before the bridge was 7.5m then after a 40 goal 85 point season and then a 39 goal 100 point season he got the 9.5m deal. Marner is putting up assists at a much higher rate this season but is still scoring goals at the same pace.

I think the best answer is that there really aren’t a lot of great comparables.

I think he falls somewhere between gaudreau and kucherov, maybe around draisaitl type money.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 3:47 a.m.
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Sky's the limit 4 Matthews, but Marner is over payed at $9$10$11$12 mill, 4get over $13.
Marner is a younger Kessel, 3 times more assists than goals.
Easy on Matthews line.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 5:52 a.m.
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Can Marner really get $13m or more?
Dec. 22, 2018 at 6:22 a.m.
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Some reports suggest, mostly due to offer sheet threats.
leaves would be better to take 4 1st rounds for Marne, focus on Matthews, Nylander & Kapanin.
Plus trade Gardiner&teplace him somehow.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 7:42 a.m.
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Some reports suggest, mostly due to offer sheet threats.leaves would be better to take 4 1st rounds for Marne, focus on Matthews, Nylander & Kapanin.Plus trade Gardiner&teplace him somehow.


*sigh*
Dec. 22, 2018 at 8:43 a.m.
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Can Marner really get $13m or more?


I think this was done with a strong hint of sarcasm. Only delusional Leaf fans think Marner can walk on water.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 8:49 a.m.
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Gaudreau is a good comparable but an older signing I think that of all players in the league marner reminds me the most of Johnny.

9.25% of the cap would be 7.7m and I would think that’s where the leafs start... if Rantanen were to get signed before him I would think the leafs would have an absolute upper limit. If Rantanen were to sign for let’s say 9m I think the leafs could easily get marner at 8.5m max.

I hear a lot of people saying kucherov but really his first ask before the bridge was 7.5m then after a 40 goal 85 point season and then a 39 goal 100 point season he got the 9.5m deal. Marner is putting up assists at a much higher rate this season but is still scoring goals at the same pace.

I think the best answer is that there really aren’t a lot of great examples.

I think he falls somewhere between gaudreau and kucherov, maybe around draisaitl type money.


Gaudreau makes a lot of sense as well as being more current than pass first guys like Wheeler and Giroux.
Kucherov and Rantanen can only be mentioned with beer goggles on.

Term is a big factor as well as quality of linemate. Marner struggled last year with Bozak and JVR, as did Matthews with Hyman and Brown. They are fortunate to be put in positions this year that really max their production and many forget that. It's easy to look at the numbers and expect them to swing for the fence but the question has to be asked if they could replicate their successes elsewhere?
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 8:52 a.m.
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Some reports suggest, mostly due to offer sheet threats.
leaves would be better to take 4 1st rounds for Marne, focus on Matthews, Nylander & Kapanin.
Plus trade Gardiner&teplace him somehow.


In the hotbed of hockey, the media has to create stories where there are none. If there was ever a player that would have considered signing an offer sheet, they just signed him and he had an extra 2 months for other teams to kick tires.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 9:00 a.m.
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Gee, I was worried that Matthews and Marner wouldn't take discounts.Confused Thanks for easing my mind that they sign for "just" 15m and 13 m.sarcasm
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 9:17 a.m.
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Gaudreau makes a lot of sense as well as being more current than pass first guys like Wheeler and Giroux.
Kucherov and Rantanen can only be mentioned with beer goggles on.

Term is a big factor as well as quality of linemate. Marner struggled last year with Bozak and JVR, as did Matthews with Hyman and Brown. They are fortunate to be put in positions this year that really max their production and many forget that. It's easy to look at the numbers and expect them to swing for the fence but the question has to be asked if they could replicate their successes elsewhere?


Bingo! And despite the jokes re dumb jocks, hockey players aren't stupid.. they know when they're being set up for success and when they're not. As much as players want to get paid, they equally want to realize their potential. And in a team sport like hockey one needs good teammates to realize that. Hockey players know this, and it would take alot for me to believe they don't take that into consideration when contemplating their contracts. Jt coming to Toronto confirms this for me
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 9:19 a.m.
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Sky's the limit 4 Matthews, but Marner is over payed at $9$10$11$12 mill, 4get over $13.
Marner is a younger Kessel, 3 times more assists than goals.
Easy on Matthews line.


? Kessel's never scored 3 times more assists than goals in a season. He's basically a pure goal scorer who's normally good for 30 goals and has never topped 60 assists.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 9:52 a.m.
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Gee, I was worried that Matthews and Marner wouldn't take discounts.Confused Thanks for easing my mind that they sign for "just" 15m and 13 m.sarcasm


The sadest part is all the users that look at those contracts and say yup seems fair. Must be nice to be an avs fan and sign Rantanen for 8.5m and get 5 stars lol.

Cheer up though. It’s just to demonstrate contracts that the leafs can move. Seems like everyone is attacking people for signing Matthews under 12.5m and marner under 10m. It reminds me a lot of nylander when everyone argued me that he was getting 8.5m plus. I just kept putting him in agm’s at 6.75m.

Seems like every team can sign their rfa’s to fair contracts, except for the leafs. Really makes me wonder why everyone hates them so much.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 10:02 a.m.
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I think this was done with a strong hint of sarcasm. Only delusional Leaf fans think Marner can walk on water.


Thank you.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:04 a.m.
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I think this was done with a strong hint of sarcasm. Only delusional Leaf fans think Marner can walk on water.


Speaking of "can walk on water". A few evenings ago, went for walk down the marina and harbour on Georgian Bay. It was dusk, quite lovely, Noticed the water was somewhat ice covered by there was some open water.
On the far side of the harbour there was fellow walking on bay. I watched him for about 12 minutes as he pushing some kinda sled. I was prepared to call 911 as concerned that he would hit a soft spot in the ice, and fall through. Every year some dies falling through the ice as they take the short cut going from one side of the bay to the other, and usually at this time of the year when the ice isn't solid. But he made it to shore, all it well.

After reading your comment, I now know why the fellow didn't fall through ice/water. It must have been Mitch Marner because he can walk on water as many Leafs fans suggest.smile
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:10 a.m.
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Speaking of "can walk on water". A few evenings ago, went for walk down the marina and harbour on Georgian Bay. It was dusk, quite lovely, Noticed the water was somewhat ice covered by there was some open water.
On the far side of the harbour there was fellow walking on bay. I watched him for about 12 minutes as he pushing some kinda sled. I was prepared to call 911 as concerned that he would hit a soft spot in the ice, and fall through. Every year some dies falling through the ice as they take the short cut going from one side of the bay to the other, and usually at this time of the year when the ice isn't solid. But he made it to shore, all it well.

After reading your comment, I now know why the fellow didn't fall through ice/water. It must have been Mitch Marner because he can walk on water as many Leafs fans suggest.smile


Best thing I have read on the internet this week.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:12 a.m.
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Speaking of "can walk on water". A few evenings ago, went for walk down the marina and harbour on Georgian Bay. It was dusk, quite lovely, Noticed the water was somewhat ice covered by there was some open water.
On the far side of the harbour there was fellow walking on bay. I watched him for about 12 minutes as he pushing some kinda sled. I was prepared to call 911 as concerned that he would hit a soft spot in the ice, and fall through. Every year some dies falling through the ice as they take the short cut going from one side of the bay to the other, and usually at this time of the year when the ice isn't solid. But he made it to shore, all it well.

After reading your comment, I now know why the fellow didn't fall through ice/water. It must have been Mitch Marner because he can walk on water as many Leafs fans suggest.smile


Given this time of year when the jolly fat man is on his way i thinks its good to believe in a lil beauty, magic and miracles. Like marner walking on water, and the leafs finally having a shot a winning a cup again!

Merry Christmas, to all you cantankerous cap friendly hockey fans!
Dec. 22, 2018 at 12:30 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Speaking of "can walk on water". A few evenings ago, went for walk down the marina and harbour on Georgian Bay. It was dusk, quite lovely, Noticed the water was somewhat ice covered by there was some open water.
On the far side of the harbour there was fellow walking on bay. I watched him for about 12 minutes as he pushing some kinda sled. I was prepared to call 911 as concerned that he would hit a soft spot in the ice, and fall through. Every year some dies falling through the ice as they take the short cut going from one side of the bay to the other, and usually at this time of the year when the ice isn't solid. But he made it to shore, all it well.

After reading your comment, I now know why the fellow didn't fall through ice/water. It must have been Mitch Marner because he can walk on water as many Leafs fans suggest.smile


He should have been wearing his Nutcracker costume for visibility.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 3:45 p.m.
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I must say, that trade is horrendous. No way does Carolina trade their top new young upcoming star and their top young defenseman for a bunch of Leafs scraps. I mean come on now. This lacks any sort of common-sense and just makes it seem like you're a typical Leaf homer.
 
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