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Team: 2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 22, 2018
Published: Dec. 22, 2018
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Trades
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PHI
  1. Frolík, Michael
  2. 2019 1st round pick (CGY)
2.
PHI
ANA
  1. Lehterä, Jori
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EDM
  1. Weal, Jordan
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (NJD)
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PHI
  1. 2020 6th round pick (TBL)
5.
PHI
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (WPG)
  2. 2020 7th round pick (VGK)
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23$79,500,000$59,707,638$0$4,960,000$19,792,362
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C
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
C, RW
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C
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$680,833$680,833 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
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UFA - 1
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$2,345,000$2,345,000
RD
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$730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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LD
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RD
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$761,250$761,250
G
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
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$700,000$700,000
LD, LW
UFA - 3

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Dec. 22, 2018 at 9:22 p.m.
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Pretty good on the values. Might wanna get a younger player in the Calgary deal as well as the 1st and Frolik. otherwise you're basically taking a cap dump and a 1st for one of the best contracts in the league. I posted a deal a bit ago that was Simmonds to Calgary for a 1st, Frolik (15% retained) and Dube.. could even maybe change the 1st to a 3rd (since Calgary doesn't have a 2nd) and it seems pretty fair
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 10:53 p.m.
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Raffl at best will get you a conditional 6th, Wayne simmonds if you're lucky will get you first but given his lack of playoff scoring and the abundance of higher end wingers that are bound to be available (Stone, Taresenko, Zuccarello, Toffoli, Nyqvist, Saad) I doubt teams are going to shell out a 1st in a good draft year for an aging 3rd line winger on a crappy team. idk why Tampa wants Folin or why EDM would want Weal....
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:16 p.m.
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Quoting: trickydick55
Raffl at best will get you a conditional 6th, Wayne simmonds if you're lucky will get you first but given his lack of playoff scoring and the abundance of higher end wingers that are bound to be available (Stone, Taresenko, Zuccarello, Toffoli, Nyqvist, Saad) I doubt teams are going to shell out a 1st in a good draft year for an aging 3rd line winger on a crappy team. idk why Tampa wants Folin or why EDM would want Weal....


Raffl is a good bottom 6 player. Can easily get a third.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:19 p.m.
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Raffl at best will get you a conditional 6th, Wayne simmonds if you're lucky will get you first but given his lack of playoff scoring and the abundance of higher end wingers that are bound to be available (Stone, Taresenko, Zuccarello, Toffoli, Nyqvist, Saad) I doubt teams are going to shell out a 1st in a good draft year for an aging 3rd line winger on a crappy team. idk why Tampa wants Folin or why EDM would want Weal....


Also, Isles are pretty crappy too lol. Just riding a PDO bender with Greiss playing unusually good.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:29 p.m.
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Raffl is a good bottom 6 player. Can easily get a third.


Raffl is a 4th line player. Last season Letestu went for a 4th, and he's a center. 2 years a go PA Parentu went for a 6th, stafford conditional 6th. Raffl is going to net a conditional 5th or 6th, if you're lucky a 4th rounder. not a 3rd
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:32 p.m.
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Quoting: ExpiredmilkYT
Also, Isles are pretty crappy too lol. Just riding a PDO bender with Greiss playing unusually good.


IDK what that has to do with the fact Simmonds isn't going to get a first rounder at 30 years old an bad playoff numbers
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:36 p.m.
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Raffl is a 4th line player. Last season Letestu went for a 4th, and he's a center. 2 years a go PA Parentu went for a 6th, stafford conditional 6th. Raffl is going to net a conditional 5th or 6th, if you're lucky a 4th rounder. not a 3rd


He's a third liner. Good pker (in a good system) and a not a bad 5vs5 player.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:43 p.m.
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Quoting: ExpiredmilkYT
Also, Isles are pretty crappy too lol. Just riding a PDO bender with Greiss playing unusually good.


A PDO is one of the worst stats.

B Trotz Philosophy is shoot less but take better shots, hence why he won last year with the highest PDO in the league and in fact often has teams with high PDOs

C Greiss is playing well because he knows where his team in front of him is going to go. As most people educated in hockey would tell you, a Goalie's performance is as much, if not more, about how the team in front them plays. A good defensive system will get the most out of okay goalies and a **** defensive system will get nothing out of good/great goalies, which is a big reason why no goalie ever plays well for PHI.

Again all of this has nothing to do with overstated value of players in these trades
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:45 p.m.
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A PDO is one of the worst stats.

B Trotz Philosophy is shoot less but take better shots, hence why he won last year with the highest PDO in the league and in fact often has teams with high PDOs

C Greiss is playing well because he knows where his team in front of him is going to go. As most people educated in hockey would tell you, a Goalie's performance is as much, if not more, about how the team in front them plays. A good defensive system will get the most out of okay goalies and a **** defensive system will get nothing out of good/great goalies, which is a big reason why no goalie ever plays well for PHI.

Again all of this has nothing to do with overstated value of players in these trades


Player values are fair. Look what R. Nash got at the deadline.
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:46 p.m.
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Quoting: trickydick55
A PDO is one of the worst stats.

B Trotz Philosophy is shoot less but take better shots, hence why he won last year with the highest PDO in the league and in fact often has teams with high PDOs

C Greiss is playing well because he knows where his team in front of him is going to go. As most people educated in hockey would tell you, a Goalie's performance is as much, if not more, about how the team in front them plays. A good defensive system will get the most out of okay goalies and a **** defensive system will get nothing out of good/great goalies, which is a big reason why no goalie ever plays well for PHI.

Again all of this has nothing to do with overstated value of players in these trades


how is PDO one of the worst stats.
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:53 p.m.
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IDK what that has to do with the fact Simmonds isn't going to get a first rounder at 30 years old an bad playoff numbers


Someone will offer a first rounder to get Simmonds for sure
Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:56 p.m.
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Raffl is a 4th line player. Last season Letestu went for a 4th, and he's a center. 2 years a go PA Parentu went for a 6th, stafford conditional 6th. Raffl is going to net a conditional 5th or 6th, if you're lucky a 4th rounder. not a 3rd


You clearly don’t watch philly games because he is one of the most energetic guys all the times
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Dec. 22, 2018 at 11:58 p.m.
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Player values are fair. Look what R. Nash got at the deadline.


you aren't seriously comparing Wayne Simmonds in year with multiple better options to a 7 time 30+ goal scorer, Rocket Richard winner, former 1st overall pick in a year with very little impact wingers available? you aren't seriously considering these two markets and players to be the same are you?
Dec. 23, 2018 at 12:01 a.m.
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you aren't seriously comparing Wayne Simmonds in year with multiple better options to a 7 time 30+ goal scorer, Rocket Richard winner, former 1st overall pick in a year with very little impact wingers available? you aren't seriously considering these two markets and players to be the same are you?


Nash had 28 points at the time. 28. Past aside, he was not a great player at the time. He also didn't have great playoff stats.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 12:11 a.m.
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Nash had 28 points at the time. 28. Past aside, he was not a great player at the time. He also didn't have great playoff stats.


it was also a market with no supply and high demand for scoring wingers. far more supply this year, much less demand. Simmonds does not carry the same clout that Nash Carried, regardless of how many points Nash had when he was traded, lower skill, lower career achievement, much worse skater, much worse playmaker. not nearly as dynamic. he's a net front guy plays a physical game but in the end he's far behind Stone, Taresenko, Zuc or Toffoli
Dec. 23, 2018 at 12:13 a.m.
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it was also a market with no supply and high demand for scoring wingers. far more supply this year, much less demand. Simmonds does not carry the same clout that Nash Carried, regardless of how many points Nash had when he was traded, lower skill, lower career achievement, much worse skater, much worse playmaker. not nearly as dynamic. he's a net front guy plays a physical game but in the end he's far behind Stone, Taresenko, Zuc or Toffoli


I do get what you're saying. Depends if the teams with the other wingers ask for too much. Simmer would cost less than the others (only costing a first).
Dec. 23, 2018 at 12:14 a.m.
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You clearly don’t watch philly games because he is one of the most energetic guys all the times


congratulations, energy doesn't equate to a 3rd round value in a year deep with winger availability.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 12:16 a.m.
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congratulations, energy doesn't equate to a 3rd round value in a year deep with winger availability.


He is worth a third.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 12:21 a.m.
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how is PDO one of the worst stats.

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without context, it tells you nothing useful. Easily one of the most miss used and misunderstood stats.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 12:30 a.m.
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I do get what you're saying. Depends if the teams with the other wingers ask for too much. Simmer would cost less than the others (only costing a first).


I think realistically Simmonds should fish a 2nd and a 4th w conditions that could make it a 3rd. I don't think teams will want to give up a first for him.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 6:40 p.m.
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congratulations, energy doesn't equate to a 3rd round value in a year deep with winger availability.


Maybe he has not the best number but he created at least two scoring chance a game or more as a third and fourth liner
Dec. 23, 2018 at 8:59 p.m.
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without context, it tells you nothing useful. Easily one of the most miss used and misunderstood stats.


PDO is about shooting percentage and save percentage against league average. The simple fact is that over large sample sizes teams regress to the average. Teams are therefore unlikely to put PDO well above 100% for a long time. Thinking the Islanders will finish with 7 players above league average and several in the 20%+ range is probably wishful thinking regardless of the system. Every coach wants their players to take the best shots available, even Carolina's.
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Dec. 23, 2018 at 9:29 p.m.
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Can we touch on the fact that we are giving up a 3rd to get a UFA goalie that isn’t even a starter right now...hard pass on Talbot
Dec. 23, 2018 at 10:52 p.m.
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Can we touch on the fact that we are giving up a 3rd to get a UFA goalie that isn’t even a starter right now...hard pass on Talbot


Talbot may just need a change of scenery and can play 60+ games a season. Deal would come with purpose of a 2 year extension.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 11:00 p.m.
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Talbot may just need a change of scenery and can play 60+ games a season. Deal would come with purpose of a 2 year extension.


When a goalie starts regressing year over year and is now north of 30, I tend to lean towards he may not be all that good anymore.
 
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