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Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 26, 2018
Published: Dec. 26, 2018
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  1. Pietrangelo, Alex ($500,000 retained)
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  1. Brown, Connor
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2019 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (TOR)
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Dec. 26, 2018 at 11:40 a.m.
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Not enough
Dec. 26, 2018 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Sicarius
Not enough


what are you smoking?

An A prospect, 24 year old roster player, + 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks is easily enough for 1.5 years of Pietrangelo
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Dec. 26, 2018 at 11:53 a.m.
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Not enough


If he is moved, I suspect that will be the rough value. In fact after Karlsson, I doubt he even gets this much, but I suspect op is not overly far off here. He only has two years (this and next) and is having a bad year. If you think this is not enough, prepare to be disappointed.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 11:54 a.m.
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That might be a good deal next year when hes a rental. But not with 1.5 years left
Dec. 26, 2018 at 11:57 a.m.
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Fair
Dec. 26, 2018 at 11:59 a.m.
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Connor brown has very little value so it's essentially a good prospect and 1st plus extra stuff that doesn't have much value. Not close. If he was ufa maybe, but no.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 12:50 p.m.
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Leafs can't afford Pietangelo this year (performance bonuses) or certainly not year . It's a cap league. At least put Pietrangelo and the Leafs defence correctly. This year he would be replacing Ozhiganov and a few more minutes from Zaitsev and Hainsey. Hardly worth getting in cap trouble and trading long term Liljegren and more.
Pietrangelo has a NTC. Leafs aren't competing against many of other teams for his services. Likely he would only want to go to a contender...and they have cap issue also. Blues get there max value for Pietrangelo before TDL. for a team with two Cup runs. That team better be attractive for Pietrangelo or there is no deal.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Sicarius
Not enough


Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
That might be a good deal next year when hes a rental. But not with 1.5 years left


Quick...name the great prospects in the Karlsson deal. And no, Rudolphs Balcers isn't two players.
Quoting: Carter_G
Connor brown has very little value so it's essentially a good prospect and 1st plus extra stuff that doesn't have much value. Not close. If he was ufa maybe, but no.


See above. It's almost always depth players, for salary purposes, and futures with a half decent prospect.
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If he is moved, I suspect that will be the rough value. In fact after Karlsson, I doubt he even gets this much, but I suspect op is not overly far off here. He only has two years (this and next) and is having a bad year. If you think this is not enough, prepare to be disappointed.


I doubt the Leafs would give up Liljegren in this deal.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 1:02 p.m.
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Quick...name the great prospects in the Karlsson deal. And no, Rudolphs Balcers isn't two players.

See above. It's almost always depth players, for salary purposes, and futures with a half decent prospect.

I doubt the Leafs would give up Liljegren in this deal.


The karlsson situation was a bit unique, with the franchise instability, terrible ownership and locker room disaster
Dec. 26, 2018 at 1:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Goulet
Quick...name the great prospects in the Karlsson deal. And no, Rudolphs Balcers isn't two players.

See above. It's almost always depth players, for salary purposes, and futures with a half decent prospect.

I doubt the Leafs would give up Liljegren in this deal.


It's an underwhelming return when the player is in a walk year and the team has no leverage and the player wants to leave
Dec. 26, 2018 at 1:11 p.m.
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Edited Dec. 26, 2018 at 1:32 p.m.
Quoting: Goulet
Quick...name the great prospects in the Karlsson deal. And no, Rudolphs Balcers isn't two players.

See above. It's almost always depth players, for salary purposes, and futures with a half decent prospect.

I doubt the Leafs would give up Liljegren in this deal.



The Blues and Armstrong aren't as incompetent as Melnyk and the Senators. Melnyk wouldn't let Karlsson get traded to an Eastern Conference team and could have gotten a better deal. It makes no sense to block half the league from being a trading partner but par for the course for the dysfunctional Ottawa franchise.

Fans, like you and others, love to play the let's compare past trades to establish value for what I want on my team. The problem is it's not realistic. The other problem is if you really want to play that game it goes both ways.

Hall got traded for Larsson. Anyone that thought that was a fair trade at the time or now has some screws loose, but it actually happened.

Since I'm a Blues fan and this is a Toronto trade thread. Let's use that as our imaginary trade value shall we?? smile smile


So.. how much better is Pietrangelo than Larsson? Let's try this.

Leafs get Pietrangelo.

Blues get Nylander + 2019 1st + 2020 1st + Liljegren


Obviously that seem fair because I'm using an established trade as value
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Dec. 26, 2018 at 2:41 p.m.
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^ ^ ^

Also the blues don't have to trade Petro, like Ottawa did w Karlsson. He would almost be guaranteed to resign w us. His wife is from the Lou, happy wife happy life

To get him it would cost full market value
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Dec. 26, 2018 at 3:48 p.m.
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3rd/4th line winger + B prospect + 2019 1st (basically a 2nd bcuz they'll win the cup) + 2020 3rd (basically a 4th cuz they'll win the cup)

So basically 3rd/4th line winger + B prospect + 2nd and 3rd for an elite defenceman.

1) Does this package help St. Louis with their rebuild as much as it would help the Leafs... NO.

2) does this package make St. Louis better long term? Not really, they can get 3rd/4th liners at any time and those picks suck, and liljegren is a decent piece but not good enough for this trade to happen.

If you want to get an awesome piece ur gonna have to give an awesome piece. The NHL knows which teams are on the cusp of winning and they'll player hard ball to make sure that they get a great offer or they just won't help them out. Its that simple


Leafs fans- "but his contract will be up soon!?!?!"

Yea but why wouldn't he resign? Its a young cup team.

Stop the BS and give an actual offer.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 4:05 p.m.
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Quoting: RC333
3rd/4th line winger + B prospect + 2019 1st (basically a 2nd bcuz they'll win the cup) + 2020 3rd (basically a 4th cuz they'll win the cup)

So basically 3rd/4th line winger + B prospect + 2nd and 3rd for an elite defenceman.

1) Does this package help St. Louis with their rebuild as much as it would help the Leafs... NO.

2) does this package make St. Louis better long term? Not really, they can get 3rd/4th liners at any time and those picks suck, and liljegren is a decent piece but not good enough for this trade to happen.

If you want to get an awesome piece ur gonna have to give an awesome piece. The NHL knows which teams are on the cusp of winning and they'll player hard ball to make sure that they get a great offer or they just won't help them out. Its that simple


Leafs fans- "but his contract will be up soon!?!?!"

Yea but why wouldn't he resign? Its a young cup team.

Stop the BS and give an actual offer.


Then we just wait the year and half and just sign him. He is getting old not having a good year the team is **** thru getting pieces back those picks can use for other deals. Maybe it take Marner or Mathews to get him.

I change Kap for Brown. Kap is way over valued because of who he playing with. Brown Toronto boy won’t take 4M
Dec. 26, 2018 at 5:48 p.m.
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Quoting: RC333
3rd/4th line winger + B prospect + 2019 1st (basically a 2nd bcuz they'll win the cup) + 2020 3rd (basically a 4th cuz they'll win the cup)

So basically 3rd/4th line winger + B prospect + 2nd and 3rd for an elite defenceman.

1) Does this package help St. Louis with their rebuild as much as it would help the Leafs... NO.

2) does this package make St. Louis better long term? Not really, they can get 3rd/4th liners at any time and those picks suck, and liljegren is a decent piece but not good enough for this trade to happen.

If you want to get an awesome piece ur gonna have to give an awesome piece. The NHL knows which teams are on the cusp of winning and they'll player hard ball to make sure that they get a great offer or they just won't help them out. Its that simple


Leafs fans- "but his contract will be up soon!?!?!"

Yea but why wouldn't he resign? Its a young cup team.

Stop the BS and give an actual offer.


1) a late 1st, 2nd and 3rd is not the same as a 2nd and a 3rd unless u are talking about 1st pick of those rounds in which case u are talking about the most valuable 2nd and 3rd and 4th and even still the 1st 2nd and 3rd are still more valuable
2) leafs probs won’t have cap space to re-sign him so it’s a 1.5 year rental
3) by the time stl rebuilds pietrangelo will be old and liljegren will be prime, so it does help them long term (not to mention picks to help the rebuild)
4) id also add zaitsev for cap purposes in tor and to give a little more value to stl
5) after adding zaitsev this is 90% of what Ottawa got for Karlsson and Pietrangelo is less than 90% of Karlsson
Dec. 26, 2018 at 7:51 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
The karlsson situation was a bit unique, with the franchise instability, terrible ownership and locker room disaster


Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
It's an underwhelming return when the player is in a walk year and the team has no leverage and the player wants to leave


More often than not the return in a deal for a star player is underwhelming. Ottawa is a somewhat polar but STL isn't that far behind.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 8:03 p.m.
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The Blues and Armstrong aren't as incompetent as Melnyk and the Senators. Melnyk wouldn't let Karlsson get traded to an Eastern Conference team and could have gotten a better deal. It makes no sense to block half the league from being a trading partner but par for the course for the dysfunctional Ottawa franchise.

Fans, like you and others, love to play the let's compare past trades to establish value for what I want on my team. The problem is it's not realistic. The other problem is if you really want to play that game it goes both ways.

Hall got traded for Larsson. Anyone that thought that was a fair trade at the time or now has some screws loose, but it actually happened.

Since I'm a Blues fan and this is a Toronto trade thread. Let's use that as our imaginary trade value shall we?? smile smile


So.. how much better is Pietrangelo than Larsson? Let's try this.

Leafs get Pietrangelo.

Blues get Nylander + 2019 1st + 2020 1st + Liljegren


Obviously that seem fair because I'm using an established trade as value


I'm a firm believer in the value being whatever the buyer will pay. Chiarelli paid Hall and it most likely will never happen again. They're slow but GM's are starting to pay attention.

Here's the real problem: Armstrong already offered Pietrangelo + for Nylander and was turned down. That info is out there for the player and team to think about. How long do you think your captain really has?

We can talk hypotheticals for value all day but let's at least start with what's already known. Nylander+++ is just plain ignorant.

Quoting: Turner33
^ ^ ^

Also the blues don't have to trade Petro, like Ottawa did w Karlsson. He would almost be guaranteed to resign w us. His wife is from the Lou, happy wife happy life

To get him it would cost full market value


They may have to now.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 8:14 p.m.
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More often than not the return in a deal for a star player is underwhelming. Ottawa is a somewhat polar but STL isn't that far behind.


Oh really? The Blues owner is trying to gut payroll to sell the team, possibly might be insolvent and players girlfriends are leaving incognito comments on the internet that Pietrangelos wife took hard drugs and that's why she had a miscarriage?
Dec. 26, 2018 at 9:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Goulet
I'm a firm believer in the value being whatever the buyer will pay. Chiarelli paid Hall and it most likely will never happen again. They're slow but GM's are starting to pay attention.

Here's the real problem: Armstrong already offered Pietrangelo + for Nylander and was turned down. That info is out there for the player and team to think about. How long do you think your captain really has?

We can talk hypotheticals for value all day but let's at least start with what's already known. Nylander+++ is just plain ignorant.



They may have to now.



Please provide one credible source that confirms the Blues offered Pietrangelo + for Nylander.

I can save you some time googling because there isn’t one.

I don’t mind anyone speculating on the trade value of players because we all do it. Perhaps Pietrangelo would wave his full NTC for Toronto and then again maybe he wouldn’t. The ball is in his court.

Armstrong even approaching his agent about the possibility of a trade could backfire. Pietrangelo could nix the deal and then leave in UFA.

Most fans look at the player they want and then construct a trade based on what they’re happy to give up. This trade is an example of that. Trades should be constructed with what fills a need for both teams point of view.

Brown does nothing for the Blues.

Liljegren is a good prospect but is he ready to step into the NHL now? It’s incredibly unlikely he is, otherwise he’d be on Toronto’s roster.

The 1st round pick is a given from any other team in a deal for Pietrangelo.

If you are Doug Armstrong, do you pull the trigger on the above deal? I certainly wouldn’t and I highly doubt he would either.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 9:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Sicarius
Please provide one credible source that confirms the Blues offered Pietrangelo + for Nylander.

I can save you some time googling because there isn’t one.

I don’t mind anyone speculating on the trade value of players because we all do it. Perhaps Pietrangelo would wave his full NTC for Toronto and then again maybe he wouldn’t. The ball is in his court.

Armstrong even approaching his agent about the possibility of a trade could backfire. Pietrangelo could nix the deal and then leave in UFA.

Most fans look at the player they want and then construct a trade based on what they’re happy to give up. This trade is an example of that. Trades should be constructed with what fills a need for both teams point of view.

Brown does nothing for the Blues.

Liljegren is a good prospect but is he ready to step into the NHL now? It’s incredibly unlikely he is, otherwise he’d be on Toronto’s roster.

The 1st round pick is a given from any other team in a deal for Pietrangelo.

If you are Doug Armstrong, do you pull the trigger on the above deal? I certainly wouldn’t and I highly doubt he would either.


https://youtu.be/Xwjm1jcCDEk
Dec. 26, 2018 at 9:53 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Oh really? The Blues owner is trying to gut payroll to sell the team, possibly might be insolvent and players girlfriends are leaving incognito comments on the internet that Pietrangelos wife took hard drugs and that's why she had a miscarriage?


There is some turmoil surrounding ownership in Ottawa, the rest isn't worth talking about.
Dec. 26, 2018 at 10:24 p.m.
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This says nothing. That is literally "he said, she said". At no point did they say the blues offered Petro+ and were turned down. Because they didn't


Here's what happened...
Army- hey what would u want for Nylander?
Dubas- paray...
Army- No
Dubas- Pietrangelo
Army- ....
Dubas- ....and
Army- No
Dubas- ok
Army- okay
Dec. 27, 2018 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Turner33
This says nothing. That is literally "he said, she said". At no point did they say the blues offered Petro+ and were turned down. Because they didn't


Here's what happened...
Army- hey what would u want for Nylander?
Dubas- paray...
Army- No
Dubas- Pietrangelo
Army- ....
Dubas- ....and
Army- No
Dubas- ok
Army- okay


Elliot is one of the most reputable hockey guys out there. He laid it out and wouldn't have if he didn't have enough information to do so.

It's amazing that even faced with proof, people can't admit they're wrong.
Dec. 27, 2018 at 3:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Goulet
Elliot is one of the most reputable hockey guys out there. He laid it out and wouldn't have if he didn't have enough information to do so.

It's amazing that even faced with proof, people can't admit they're wrong.


What proof? U said Petro+ was turned down, your guy never said that in the video. He said it was believed the blues offered Petro, but Toronto wanted someone younger or with more term
Dec. 27, 2018 at 3:20 p.m.
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1) a late 1st, 2nd and 3rd is not the same as a 2nd and a 3rd unless u are talking about 1st pick of those rounds in which case u are talking about the most valuable 2nd and 3rd and 4th and even still the 1st 2nd and 3rd are still more valuable
2) leafs probs won’t have cap space to re-sign him so it’s a 1.5 year rental
3) by the time stl rebuilds pietrangelo will be old and liljegren will be prime, so it does help them long term (not to mention picks to help the rebuild)
4) id also add zaitsev for cap purposes in tor and to give a little more value to stl
5) after adding zaitsev this is 90% of what Ottawa got for Karlsson and Pietrangelo is less than 90% of Karlsson


LOL Wow so realistic

Christmas is over get out of fantasy land
 
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