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Created by: Mr_Gardoki
Team: 2018-19 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 29, 2018
Published: Dec. 29, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Nyquist, Gustav ($2,375,000 retained)
DET
  1. Haggerty, Ryan
  2. 2019 1st round pick (PIT)
2.
PIT
  1. 2019 2nd round pick (MTL)
3.
PIT
  1. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
4.
5.
STL
  1. Oleksiak, Jamie
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (MTL)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$79,500,000$78,136,559$0$132,500$1,363,441
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$734,167$734,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$650,000$650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$650,000$650,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$794,167$794,167
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$675,000$675,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,333,225$3,333,225
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$2,300,000$2,300,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$650,000$650,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Dec. 29, 2018 at 1:20 p.m.
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They're all decent trades but I don't like the Carolina deal
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Dec. 29, 2018 at 3:08 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
They're all decent trades but I don't like the Carolina deal


yeah that deal is highway robbery
they can also get more out of brass especially at deadline. Probably a 1st
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Dec. 29, 2018 at 10:20 p.m.
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Why, Why, Why, Why, and Why
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Dec. 30, 2018 at 5:57 a.m.
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From pens perspective: First trade very good. Second trade not so good. Third trade okay. Fourth trade very bad. 5th trade good
Dec. 30, 2018 at 1:08 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
They're all decent trades but I don't like the Carolina deal


Yeah, I believe there's a way to get TVR, but I wasn't sure how to go about it. What would you have done?
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Why, Why, Why, Why, and Why


Thanks for the constructive feedback! What did you like and not like, and why?
Dec. 30, 2018 at 1:09 p.m.
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Quoting: pharrow
yeah that deal is highway robbery
they can also get more out of brass especially at deadline. Probably a 1st


I doubt they're getting more than a 2nd for Brassard with how he's been playing. Maybe 2nd + prospect, but I doubt he garners a 1st.
Dec. 30, 2018 at 10:56 p.m.
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Bozak stinks!
Jan. 13, 2019 at 9:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
I doubt they're getting more than a 2nd for Brassard with how he's been playing. Maybe 2nd + prospect, but I doubt he garners a 1st.


Then why would the Pens trade him?
Jan. 15, 2019 at 11:03 p.m.
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Then why would the Pens trade him?


To free up the space to make a secondary move. With Schultz coming back it's going force the Pens to make a move. Rumors are the Oleksiak is actively being shopped, so he could likely be the piece used to get Brass' replacement.
Jan. 16, 2019 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
To free up the space to make a secondary move. With Schultz coming back it's going force the Pens to make a move. Rumors are the Oleksiak is actively being shopped, so he could likely be the piece used to get Brass' replacement.


Actually, it wont. The AGM system does not prorate for LTIR salary not counting against the cap. Schultz's hit will not be $5.5M as it is here.

It also doesn't prorate for when a trade is done, so you get the full cap hit, or losend the full cap hit, when trades are done. ie: if you trade a pick for some expenice rental today, the AGM hits the team for the full cap hit, not half (half being paid by the original team for Oct-Jan, half by the new team Jan-Apr)
Jan. 16, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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Actually, it wont. The AGM system does not prorate for LTIR salary not counting against the cap. Schultz's hit will not be $5.5M as it is here.

It also doesn't prorate for when a trade is done, so you get the full cap hit, or losend the full cap hit, when trades are done. ie: if you trade a pick for some expenice rental today, the AGM hits the team for the full cap hit, not half (half being paid by the original team for Oct-Jan, half by the new team Jan-Apr)


It's not about cap-hit. It's about roster space.

Letang/Dumo
Maatta/Schultz
Pettersson/Johnson
Oleksiak/Ruhwedel
Riikola

See the issue?
Jan. 16, 2019 at 6:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
It's not about cap-hit. It's about roster space.

Letang/Dumo
Maatta/Schultz
Pettersson/Johnson
Oleksiak/Ruhwedel
Riikola

See the issue?


No, because you are not going to move a forward so that you can keep 9 D up. Pettersson and Riikola can both be sent down. If you are going to dump someone because of the 9 D, it would be Ruhwedel.

But, you traded away Oleksiak and Riikola so are you even paying attention to your own AGM? (Hint: the answer is no)
Jan. 16, 2019 at 9:56 p.m.
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No, because you are not going to move a forward so that you can keep 9 D up. Pettersson and Riikola can both be sent down. If you are going to dump someone because of the 9 D, it would be Ruhwedel.

But, you traded away Oleksiak and Riikola so are you even paying attention to your own AGM? (Hint: the answer is no)


I honestly think you have reading comprehension issues.
Jan. 17, 2019 at 11:06 a.m.
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I honestly think you have reading comprehension issues.


I asked why dump Brassard and you said for roster space listing the 9 D currently on the roster with "See the issue?"
I said that the would not move a F to carry 9 D. I also stated that 2 of the D that you listed in your "reason" you had actually traded away in this same AGM, meaning there is no need for those roster spots.

What am I having difficulties comprehending? Your replies that make no sense when taking this AGM into consideration?

You traded Sheahan, Aston-Reese, Riikola and Oleksiak off the main roster for Nyquist, Bozak and van Riemsdyk. 4 out, 3 in. You actually opened a roster spot on the main roster, and decreased D from 9 to 8. I ask why you are dumping Brassard and you replied for a roster spot (which is now technically down 2 spots) to compensate for 9 D, even though after your trades there are only 8 D and two of the ones that you listed as the reason to dump Brassard are gone. I guess that my reading comprehension level depends on a person's responses actually making sense.

Maybe is you explain it to me slowly you will see what you did wrong, er, I mean I will comprehend what you are saying. But please, include the entire AGM so that you don't get, I mean so that I don't get confused.
Jan. 17, 2019 at 11:22 a.m.
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Quoting: biglite351
I asked why dump Brassard and you said for roster space listing the 9 D currently on the roster with "See the issue?"
I said that the would not move a F to carry 9 D. I also stated that 2 of the D that you listed in your "reason" you had actually traded away in this same AGM, meaning there is no need for those roster spots.

What am I having difficulties comprehending? Your replies that make no sense when taking this AGM into consideration?

You traded Sheahan, Aston-Reese, Riikola and Oleksiak off the main roster for Nyquist, Bozak and van Riemsdyk. 4 out, 3 in. You actually opened a roster spot on the main roster, and decreased D from 9 to 8. I ask why you are dumping Brassard and you replied for a roster spot (which is now technically down 2 spots) to compensate for 9 D, even though after your trades there are only 8 D and two of the ones that you listed as the reason to dump Brassard are gone. I guess that my reading comprehension level depends on a person's responses actually making sense.

Maybe is you explain it to me slowly you will see what you did wrong, er, I mean I will comprehend what you are saying. But please, include the entire AGM so that you don't get, I mean so that I don't get confused.


First off, I'm doing AGM. I'm not a pro by any stretch. Nobody here is. Brass is not a fit and is on his way out; that is very very clear. The overall idea is this...

The likelihood of moving Brassard for another 3C is simply not very likely. Not impossible, but it would take a team with another pending UFA 3C who doesn't fit to make that even swap which isn't likely. MAYBE you have a team who's simply looking to get rid of someone with term for a UFA, but is there a quality player in that situation available? There's a couple of possibilities, but the teams that would want him RIGHT NOW are most likely playoff teams. I bring this up due to the Carter situation in LA. I doubt LA would want to bring in Brassard right now.

With Schultz coming back the Pens have a surplus of defense, some of which are in their doghouse, i.e. Oleksiak.

What seems to be the likeliest scenario in my eyes is moving Brassard to a playoff bound team for a pick and you get the cap space off the books.

Next, you package up a dman with whatever else you can to bring in someone of quality to play 3C.

This is the overall premise. Other moves made were simply for cap/roster purposes.
 
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