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COL trade

Created by: Blazingbat11
Initial Creation Date: Jan 15, 2019
Published: Jan 15, 2019 at 11:44 pm
Team: 2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
Zadorov, 23 years old, for Armia ,25 years old, are the center pieces of this deal. Both picked 16th overall their respective draft year. Zadorov currently playing bottom pairing RD for COL, but has high potential. Armia a solidified middle 6 forward, plays in all situations. Both will be RFAs this offseason needing new contracts. Due to 2 year differential in age, adding a 2nd rd pick to the deal. and exchanging two current healthy scratch players, Hudon being 4 years younger with higher potential than Bourque.

COL have been looking for more depth (but not 4th liners), and guys that would fit with their young core. Armia , and Hudon by extension, checks off those needs. Habs need to bolster their LD with more young talent, so they take a chance with Zadorov who is still young and a fresh start could do some good.



I also would really like the idea of both Zadorov and Weber as a "end of game" shut down pairing or PK pairing. not many will want to dump the puck in either corner lol
Trades
MTL
  1. Zadorov, Nikita
  2. Bourque, Gabriel
COL
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Hudon, Charles
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (CBJ)
Buyouts
  • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Max Pacioretty: $450,000 (10%)
  • Marco Scandella: $2,000,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Karl Alzner: $3,600,000 ($4,625,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
2019
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
CGY
CHI
EDM
MTL
WPG
2020
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
WPG
MTL
MTL
MTL
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$69,536,309$0$2,682,500$9,963,691
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 5
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 3
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
MTL
Domi, Max
$3,150,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
$1,166,667
LW, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$839,166
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 3
MTL
Shaw, Andrew
$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
MTL
Agostino, Kenny
$700,000
LW
UFA - 1
MTL
Chaput, Michael
$675,000
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Deslauriers, Nicolas
$950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Mete, Victor
$748,333
LD
RFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 8
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 8
COL
Zadorov, Nikita
$2,150,000
LD
RFA - 1
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Niemi, Antti
$950,000
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$900,000
LD
UFA - 1
MTL
Benn, Jordie
$1,100,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Peca, Matthew
$1,300,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
MTL
Reilly, Mike
$725,000
LD
UFA - 1
COL
Bourque, Gabriel
$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Jan 15, 2019 at 11:46
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No from MTL. Don’t trade a 2rd pick for Zadorov. Just wait until Romanov arrive with the club
Jan 15, 2019 at 11:52
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Quoting: Poehling
No from MTL. Don’t trade a 2rd pick for Zadorov. Just wait until Romanov arrive with the club


I personally would of swapped it for a 3rd rd pick, but since this is ACGM, I bumped it up to a 2nd to try and avoid some pushback lol probably still won't work though.

and I know Romanov had an amazing WJ tournament, but It'd be foolish for the Habs to put all their hypothetical eggs in a 18 year old Dman and think that LD is fixed. Depth on LD is still horrible with young prospects. Literally no one after Mete and Romanov worth mentioning. Adding Zadorov wouldn't hurt Romanov coming over at all.
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Jan 16, 2019 at 12:00
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Montreal should get Jimmy Schuldt as well
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Jan 16, 2019 at 12:01
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Would you be willing to send Lehkonen instead of Armia? They have very similar numbers but Lehkonen closer in age to Zadorov. Maybe change the pick to a later round as well because of this also?
Jan 16, 2019 at 12:03
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Quoting: moli92
Would you be willing to send Lehkonen instead of Armia?


Nooooooo don’t touch Lehkonen
Jan 16, 2019 at 12:03
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Quoting: Hockey1033
Montreal should get Jimmy Schuldt as well


They will
Jan 16, 2019 at 12:04
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
I personally would of swapped it for a 3rd rd pick, but since this is ACGM, I bumped it up to a 2nd to try and avoid some pushback lol probably still won't work though.

and I know Romanov had an amazing WJ tournament, but It'd be foolish for the Habs to put all their hypothetical eggs in a 18 year old Dman and think that LD is fixed. Depth on LD is still horrible with young prospects. Literally no one after Mete and Romanov worth mentioning. Adding Zadorov wouldn't hurt Romanov coming over at all.


I think 2019 draft, MTL will draft ~maybe 8 LHD
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Jan 16, 2019 at 12:05
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Quoting: Poehling
They will


Hope so , Can’t wait for the draft too
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Jan 16, 2019 at 12:18
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Quoting: moli92
Would you be willing to send Lehkonen instead of Armia?


I wouldn't do Lehkonen for Zadorov 1v1 I personally see Lehky as a top 6 winger, he's really the Habs best defensive forward. I get why some don't think he's top 6, he does have inconsistency issues with goal scoring, but the potential is there. So I have no interest in moving him anytime soon. Armia is more of a sure thing as a middle 6 guy, can play on the 2nd line, but is more of a 3rd liner. he's also a two-way guy, but I would put him below Lehkonen in terms of potential, which is why I added the 2nd, and another younger player in need of a change in Hudon, and took back what is basically a roster dump in Bourque
Jan 16, 2019 at 12:20
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Quoting: Poehling
I think 2019 draft, MTL will draft ~maybe 8 LHD


Wouldn't surprise me lol
Jan 16, 2019 at 12:23
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Quoting: Hockey1033
Hope so , Can’t wait for the draft too


From the look of things currently, Habs wont be getting a top 15 pick. Unless of a collapse in the last 25 or so games, but with Price rebounding from his start of the season slump, I don't see it.

It's a shame, lots of top LD prospects in that top 15 range...
Jan 16, 2019 at 1:42
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
From the look of things currently, Habs wont be getting a top 15 pick. Unless of a collapse in the last 25 or so games, but with Price rebounding from his start of the season slump, I don't see it.

It's a shame, lots of top LD prospects in that top 15 range...


There are only 2 maybe 3 Dmen in the top 15 on most draft rankings.
Jan 16, 2019 at 1:48
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Quoting: Poehling
No from MTL. Don’t trade a 2rd pick for Zadorov. Just wait until Romanov arrive with the club


Quoting: Blazingbat11
I personally would of swapped it for a 3rd rd pick, but since this is ACGM, I bumped it up to a 2nd to try and avoid some pushback lol probably still won't work though.

and I know Romanov had an amazing WJ tournament, but It'd be foolish for the Habs to put all their hypothetical eggs in a 18 year old Dman and think that LD is fixed. Depth on LD is still horrible with young prospects. Literally no one after Mete and Romanov worth mentioning. Adding Zadorov wouldn't hurt Romanov coming over at all.


Too many people on this forum expect 18, 19, 20 yr old prospects to be immediate impact players. The majority of players take much longer to be effective NHLers. Theres always hope that Ramanov can play and be useful soon but best case scenerio he is likely still 2 yrs away. Even more likely that he is closer to 4-5 yrs from being a legiitimate NHL defensemen. That's a long time to just wait it out and hope.
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Jan 16, 2019 at 1:56
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Quoting: SP1994
There are only 2 maybe 3 Dmen in the top 15 on most draft rankings.


That's kind of my point, sorry if I wasn't clear, now that I reread my post i does look like i'm saying there's a ton lol. But especially when it comes to Elite Dman prospects, there's usually only a handful every draft then it tapers off drastically. and those elite guys usually get picked in the top 15.

Dmen Bowen Byram, Cam York, Philip Broberg are definitely the big 3 LD guys of the next draft. No way Habs get any one of them if they make the playoffs.
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Jan 16, 2019 at 2:00
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Quoting: SP1994
Too many people on this forum expect 18, 19, 20 yr old prospects to be immediate impact players. The majority of players take much longer to be effective NHLers. Theres always hope that Ramanov can play and be useful soon but best case scenerio he is likely still 2 yrs away. Even more likely that he is closer to 4-5 yrs from being a legiitimate NHL defensemen. That's a long time to just wait it out and hope.


exactly, which is why I'm also opposed to so many on here ready to trade Danault because Poehling and Suzuki "are ready" and haven't even played a pro game yet. Are they top prospects? yes. Will they make the roster next year? I think so! Should we trade Danault because of that? nope, not even close.
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