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LoganOllivier got it wrong

Created by: CzechingOut
Team: 2018-19 Custom Team
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 17, 2019
Published: Jan. 17, 2019
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Any middle pair defenceman is now considered a top 4 defenceman according to Mr LoganOllivier.

So I have posted actual top 4 defenceman per team.
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
85$79,500,000$384,628,053$0$10,585,000-$305,128,053
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$3,387,500$3,387,500
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$2,602,778$2,602,778
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$6,500,000$6,500,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD/RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$5,475,000$5,475,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$789,167$789,167
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$5,000,000$5,000,000 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$4,650,400$4,650,400
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$3,857,143$3,857,143
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$3,375,000$3,375,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$5,538,462$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$6,875,000$6,875,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,687,500$2,687,500
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$3,200,000$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$6,350,000$6,350,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$7,500,000$7,500,000
RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
UFA - 8
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
$7,000,000$7,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$5,187,500$5,187,500
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 8
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$7,538,462$7,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,437,500$2,437,500
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the New York Islanders
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the New York Islanders
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the New York Rangers
$6,650,000$6,650,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the New York Rangers
$5,700,000$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$360,000$360K)
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 7
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$3,800,000$3,800,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$4,700,000$4,700,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$2,225,000$2,225,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$1,275,000$1,275,000
LD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$1,000,000$1,000,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$7,600,000$7,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$4,333,333$4,333,333
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$3,150,000$3,150,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:20 p.m.
#1
stanthemanb123
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I don’t agree on a couple but at least you have some general idea of what a top 4 defenseman looks like
Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:20 p.m.
#2
Caps fan idk why
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You forgot Kempny and Orpik they play in Washington’s top 4!!! WTH. Jk solid list and I think Oliver’s point was more important than his list. I’m guilty of it and I’m sure other are. Personally I’m going to try to avoid using top 10 or top 15 bc it’s usually causes a riot bc rarely people agree. Also pretty misleading when evaluating a players trade value bc top 4 isn’t always top 4.
Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:27 p.m.
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Solid list but id add Dumoulin as well for pittsburgh
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Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:28 p.m.
#4
Caps fan idk why
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Solid list but id add Dumoulin as well for pittsburgh


Super underrated.
Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:29 p.m.
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Super underrated.


Pretty much all defensive dmen are underrated. If they dont score points, people dont think they are good at their position
Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:33 p.m.
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Caps fan idk why
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Pretty much all defensive dmen are underrated. If they dont score points, people dont think they are good at their position


True. He rarely makes mistakes and has solid positioning. Looks like he has some offensive upside wish he would show it off more often
Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:38 p.m.
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I would include John Klingberg on the list but it is a solid list for sure.
Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:42 p.m.
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You also missed the point entirely.

The point is a top 4 defenceman is super ambiguous and super misleading. A 2nd pair defenceman and a top 4 are the same thing.

You have a tonne of top pair guys on here. A top 4 guy is not necessaryily a top pair guy but a top pair guy is absolutely a top 4 guy.

A 2nd pair guy can be called a bottom 4 guy or a top 4 guy and it's not wrong either way. So listing off every team's top 4 defenceman doesn't really make any sense to the argument.

If you are a top 4 defenceman, the current going rate is apparently a 1st, a roster player and a prospect, which is massivley expensive unless you are talking about a top pair worthy defenceman. Now people have argued that a guy like Connor Murphy is a top 4 defenceman, so he should bring back a high pick and a prospect or player like Brown. Why? Because Connor Murphy has played 2nd pair for a bad team so he's a top 4 defenceman.

If a top 4 defenceman should refer to players who are primarily 2nd pair defenceman but can handle bigger minutes if need be. Someone like Mat Niskanen is best suited to be on the 2nd line but is very good at playing hard minutes against the top players. But a guy like Murphy isn't someone you ever want on the top pair.

So what we should be discussing is if a team wants a top pair defenceman, or a second pair defenceman. Top 4 is just mud in the water.
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Jan. 17, 2019 at 6:51 p.m.
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BobrovTree
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Jake Gardiner deserves to be on here, he's a top 4 despite his errors at times.
Jan. 17, 2019 at 7:40 p.m.
#10
DeBrincat > Kane
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Seabrook is slowly becoming a bottom pairing/special teams guy. Wouldn't call him a legit top 4. Jokiharju, although a rookie, is proving his defensive and offensive capabilities arguably better than a lot of guys on this list. Gustafsson is a very solid 2nd pairing OFD, so imo he should be here. From what else I saw, Ryan Murray should be here, Josh Manson should 100% no doubt be here. Boychuk and Niskanen both are not very good and are very very fringe top 4 guys.
 
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