Edited Jan. 18, 2019 at 4:24 p.m.
Quoting: LoganOllivier
Okay I am going to translate all of that.
You want Nylander because you see his talent and ceiling but hope you can get him for less, so you win the trade.
That is the logic behind all of these discussions. If you convince yourself that he's worth less than a top line forward, then you might be able to convince others of the same thing and drive his price down.
That right there is pretty funny. Nobody on these boards sets the price for Nylander and while I enjoy the debates on here and ideas, by no means am I disillusioned between being a crowd pleaser in a virtual community and objective reality and I'm not interested in being a crowd pleaser in a virtual community versus just interested in intelligent discussions and debates as a fan.
Nylander has never proven he can carry a 1st line. He has proven he can play on a 1st line with one of the best players in the league. He is not Panarin as an example at this point. That is someone who everyone everyone questioned the same thing playing with Kane and he went on to show that he wasn't a product of Kane. In the same light, NOBODY suggested Panarin isn't a top 2 line player, but the question was is he an elite talent that can carry a 1st line or are his numbers inflated because of Kane. That is the exact same debate I had here with you and couple others. There is ZERO question whether nylander is a A- player and will do well playing alongside a A talent or A+ Elite talent, but does he have more to him when you take away Matthews? With Panarin the answer was obviously yes. With Saad the answer has been no. So far the answer is no with Nylander if this continues for the remainder of the season. Getting timing down and legs I understand to a degree, but much longer like this and that argument is weaker and weaker as each game goes by. As I said, a month of bad play is about all that is excusable if you are a so called A or A+ talent then one has to start questioning the work ethic, offseason program, and maturity. These guys are paid enormous amounts of money every game to produce, 20 games in a row of not coming close to earning their paycheck is worrisome at the least.
With that said, and seeing as the Leafs were playing really well without him and the emergence of Kap, do the Leafs consider moving him to fill in gaps in other places now like RHD versus hoping he comes around and reaches his ceiling in the next 12 months? That's why I suggested moving him during the hold out period and focus on this year and next year winning a cup.
Nylander for Boqvist is interesting from a Hawks point of view but from a Leafs point of view that doesn't help the now part I'm saying so wouldn't consider it as a Leafs guy. Nylander for a physical 2RD and other assets should be interesting to anyone on the Leafs side of the argument realizing the window is open now.
And for the record, I think if the Leafs can bring in a solid physical RHD guy (either 1st or 2nd line) they are one of only a few teams that go toe to toe with Tampa.