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Draisaitl for Giroux

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Team: 2018-19 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 24, 2019
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I was informed through opinionated facts that this was fair enough value for Draisaitl. Is this correct?
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Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Badgm91
The players are equal in value when you look at the length of their contracts. Then you need to also account for Draisaitl being 23, which is done here with the pick


A 4th round pick accounts for an 8 year age difference? The 23 year old is signed till he's 30 to a salary he is already worth. I think you're saying Draisaitl's contract is an albatross in length and it's far from it. The 31 year old is signed till 34.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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You would accept an opinion as fact wouldn't you.


That’s literally what you did with your other Oiler fans lmao
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:15 p.m.
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First, if you're just going to trash each other without providing legitimate stats/facts on either side, why bother?

Second, regardless of the opinions on the value of either player, is that really the direction the Oilers should go though? A 31 year old PPG guy for a 23 year old PPG guy? It's not like Giroux is "Old" per se, and I don't think ANOTHER Oilers rebuild is the answer, but I don't think this is either.


Thanks Lenny.

Giroux is not old but he's reaching the age where the wheels just fall off and there's no real clear timeframe for when that happens. But highly talented players have been having it happen more and more around the age of 32 with the pace of this NHL.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:16 p.m.
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That’s literally what you did with your other Oiler fans lmao


Did I? I never said "Everyone Agrees with me."
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:19 p.m.
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Did I? I never said "Everyone Agrees with me."


You wrote in your own description that you were informed through “opinionated facts”.
And then you ask whether it’s fair value.
And then when I say it’s not, you decide it’s because of what fan base I belong to?
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:19 p.m.
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The Oilers would be dumb to do this trade. The Flyers should be trying to make a deal like this. You say the Flyers have depth but they do not. They're missing a 2nd line center. The bottom 6 isn't very good. There's talent that's not producing so it's likely just a bad mix. The 4th line is a real mess. They're a relatively easy team to match up on and take away skill players. The defense has too many young players on it and they played 7 goalies this year due to injuries. They're not as bad as their record is but they were only playoff bubble team as constructed.


Any Oiler fan would be more than happy to add Voracek, Simmonds, Giroux, van Reimsdyk, or Couturier. Not to mention Patrick, who I admit I haven't watched, but is certainly a promising player. You can fix a 4th line easily enough. Fixing a second line is far harder and that's what we in Edmonton desperately need to do. You're probably right that the young d-core, while filled with promise, is struggling with inexperience. Goaltending has been a problem for years, I hope our Edmonton boy Hart can succeed. The Flyers have far more depth at forward than most teams, you're certainly right when you day it's a likely just a bad mix. They probably could use a shakeup.

Edmonton needs to find a way to add a true 2W with limited assets that we can afford to give up. Due to that we have to be sure, we can't afford to overpay.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:22 p.m.
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Thanks Lenny.

Giroux is not old but he's reaching the age where the wheels just fall off and there's no real clear timeframe for when that happens. But highly talented players have been having it happen more and more around the age of 32 with the pace of this NHL.


I mean, clearly there's some major issues in Edmonton (I'm pointing at you, Bob Nicholson/Mac T/everyone else in the upper management level), and it appears to be a pretty toxic place right now (mind you, I feel like the media driven narrative changes if they make the playoffs...), and I absolutely believe that a veteran leader would be a great idea for this team, but if you're moving Drai, you might as well move him for picks/prospects and include a veteran in the deal somehow.

Obviously Marleau isn't going to waive to go to Edmonton, nor should he, but a similar player might do a world of difference for this team.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Hedman77
You wrote in your own description that you were informed through “opinionated facts”.
And then you ask whether it’s fair value.
And then when I say it’s not, you decide it’s because of what fan base I belong to?


Sorry I suppose I should have said the opinionated facts came from Dangles himself based on another Armchair discussion. And I think fanbase does matter to a certain degree. It's easy to be on the outside and say this player is better right now so that's the deal to take. If you're looking at the actual roster, ages of players, contracts, and projected talent the deals become far more complex and a bit clearer rather than the surface level instant gratification level. With all that being said, I'm not 100% sold that Giroux is even better than Draisaitl right now. They're likely fairly even and age becomes a high value marker for Draisaitl at that point.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:30 p.m.
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Sorry I suppose I should have said the opinionated facts came from Dangles himself based on another Armchair discussion. And I think fanbase does matter to a certain degree. It's easy to be on the outside and say this player is better right now so that's the deal to take. If you're looking at the actual roster, ages of players, contracts, and projected talent the deals become far more complex and a bit clearer rather than the surface level instant gratification level. With all that being said, I'm not 100% sold that Giroux is even better than Draisaitl right now. They're likely fairly even and age becomes a high value marker for Draisaitl at that point.


You don’t have to belong to a certain fanbase to look at the actual roster, ages of players, contracts and projected talent.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:40 p.m.
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Any Oiler fan would be more than happy to add Voracek, Simmonds, Giroux, van Reimsdyk, or Couturier. Not to mention Patrick, who I admit I haven't watched, but is certainly a promising player. You can fix a 4th line easily enough. Fixing a second line is far harder and that's what we in Edmonton desperately need to do. You're probably right that the young d-core, while filled with promise, is struggling with inexperience. Goaltending has been a problem for years, I hope our Edmonton boy Hart can succeed. The Flyers have far more depth at forward than most teams, you're certainly right when you day it's a likely just a bad mix. They probably could use a shakeup.

Edmonton needs to find a way to add a true 2W with limited assets that we can afford to give up. Due to that we have to be sure, we can't afford to overpay.


The Flyers have a big void at #2 center. Patrick isn't a #2 center yet and if he was they'd have a hole at #3. If Giroux plays center that fixes the center issue but opens a LW issue to the same degree. A player is playing on the 2nd line that isn't ready for that level. That's a major problem up front and it hurts the mix too.
I only mention the Flyers 4th line because it's basically cap disasters they can't get rid of (Weise or Lehtera) or AHL-NHL tweeners like Jordan Weal before his trade and now Phil Varone. Best suited for scoring roles but don't fit that role in the NHL. The 4th line is best for actual grinders and PK specialists that the Flyers don't have down there. The Flyers need bad contracts to end, a shakeup, and their prospects to hit home. Most notably Morgan Frost and Carter Hart. They need Provorov to bounce back and Nolan Patrick to keep progressing.

Edmonton has McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent Hopkins. They need to stop making mistake signings and get out of bad contracts they have. I mentioned Jordan Weal and Phil Varone and I see them as possible players to come cheap and play with McDavid. They have talent and speed. McDavid will create the space they can't on their own. It's not much unlike what Crosby does in Pittsburgh with his ever evolving cast of linemates. Connor Sheary and Jake Guentzel got paid for Crosby's work and McDavid will need to do the same for his wings.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:43 p.m.
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You don’t have to belong to a certain fanbase to look at the actual roster, ages of players, contracts and projected talent.


You don't. So looking at the 2 teams and the deal proposed you think Edmonton should do this deal and the Flyers are getting ripped off on Giroux?
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:46 p.m.
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You don't. So looking at the 2 teams and the deal proposed you think Edmonton should do this deal and the Flyers are getting ripped off on Giroux?


No, I was saying that because I actually think the opposite.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:49 p.m.
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No, I was saying that because I actually think the opposite.


You previously said:
"That might be the value in the minds of some oilers fans but that’s not enough for Giroux"
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:51 p.m.
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You previously said:
"That might be the value in the minds of some oilers fans but that’s not enough for Giroux"


No the reason i said that was because I secretly think it’s enough
Jan. 24, 2019 at 12:59 p.m.
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No the reason i said that was because I secretly think it’s enough


Don't worry, I'll keep your brilliance a secret.
Jan. 24, 2019 at 1:02 p.m.
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Don't worry, I'll keep your brilliance a secret.


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Jan. 24, 2019 at 6:20 p.m.
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DUMB F**KING trade, you move a 23 year old center for a ageing center that is only a couple of years off from having a terrible contracts that all fans will hate
 
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