Two late first rounders two second round picks Connor Brown and two cap dumps for Drew Doughty??

With where LA is, it probably isn't terrible value. Two firsts and two seconds, even low, is a lot of value and the kind of thing a team like LA wants. Zaitzev's contract is bad, but he is still a fine #4 defenseman, good #5, so probably work 3ish. That isn't the main problem with this trade

The main problem is it would absolutely destroy the Leafs cap. Try to do this trade, then sign Marner and Matthews next year (let alone Kapanen, Johnson, warm bodies even).

Ah yes, lets obtain a hall of fame defensemen in his prime for a bunch of crap and a few late 1sts.

He washed up please no we don’t need him and he can’t handle the pressure to play in this market.

At least show the courtesy of showing how 11m Doughty is going to fit into the Leafs lineup for the eight full years. No other could/would offer the Kings more in trade. Just a lot better ways to 11m, and I know you're also trading 4.5m Zaitsev. Horton's LTIR is meaningless, why to folks keep on putting him on deals thinking it really helps the Leafs.

LA counters with Rielly and Marner.

Maybe Toronto could trade Nylander during the offseason……. I'm keeping Him just so that he can maybe get himself back this year but if not trade him for a late 1st round pick (Buffalo for exemple has a 3 first round pick in 2019 or Carolina for a 2020 1st round pick) and Toronto would be back to where they were (Nylander 6M$+ Zaitsev 4.5M$= 10.5M$) but with an elite defender

At 29 he is leaving his prime

Defencemen like him can stay elite into their late 30s. Not nearly enough value headed back to LA, and Toronto couldn’t afford the cap hit anyways so both teams reject

We've done this over and over and over again. You are wrong.

I'm not saying Toronto should trade for Doughty, but this particular offer is ridiculous.

Is Ducan Keith worth 11 million dollars at his age?

Trading for Doughty would be a bad idea, his contract is terrible. He'll be 37 making 11 million against the cap. He is probably not worth 11 million right now let alone for most of his 30's.

The notion that age won't affect him is just silly. Is Ducan Keith worth 11 million at his age? Nope, is Weber? No not even close. Doughty has a terrible contract that is going to handcuff the Kings for years.

He is 9.5 months older and makes the same amount of money as John Tavares.

If you refuse to make a deal because of 8 years from now, you are an idiot.

I refuse the deal because of right now, Tavares deal was signed when he was 27 and started when he was 28, Doughty's contract kicks in when he is about to turn 30. That contract is also 8 years.

I am not the biggest fan of the Tavares contract either but it is a lot better than Doughty. Giving huge term into a guys 30's is not a great idea. Use guys who are still in their 20's all you want and I'll use reality and give you examples of guys who are or have declined massively in their 30's. How's Perry contract looking? Or Seabrook?

Doughty's deal ends 2 years later. Yet Tavares has atleast 7 million in bonuses in each and every year and a full no trade clause in each and every year. doughty only has 4 years of bonuses and only 4 years of a full no trade. tavareses contract is worse and doughty is better than tavares.

defensemen age better than centers. we all know this and have debated it over and over again and no one has agreed with you.

Lmao agreed. Obviously Tavares wouldn’t waive his NMC, but if LAK offered doughty for Tavares leafs would take it in a second

There is actually zero statistical evidence that defenceman age better than forwards. This has been debated but there is no proof of it. Out of the top defenceman in the league almost all are aged between 25-30 only a couple guys in their 30's are still elite.

It's a young man's game and all of the statistical evidence supports that. It's not about what you've done it's about what you are going to do. And a player in their 30's will decline. It's a fact and all the evidence supports this.

I should add that Doughty only has 20 million in bonuses and Tavares has 70.89 million in bonuses

doughty is better than tavares and tavares has a worse contract via 50+ million MORE in bonuses and a complete NMC through the entire contract.

I doubt it. Tavares is currently playing great and his 11 million dollar contract runs out 2 years sooner meaning if he is declining in his 30's he'll have way less term than Doughty who will also be declining. The only argument against this is that Doughty may be an outlier and stay elite well into his 30's there have been a few to do that but it's extremely rare. Playing to 35 years old has become extremely rare and to be an elite player at 35 is just as rare.

Who won the cup last year?

Who cares about that? TO has the money to pay it. And it makes it easier to trade him if he can be convinced to waive his NMC.

Using Signing bonuses as an argument is not a good idea. If Doughty declines and is owed massive amounts of money because none was paid upfront, then it's harder to trade him because there is no financial insentive to take on the cap hit if he still needs most of his money.

Washington, and?

what if they traded Ovi, Backstrom, Oshie, holtby, Carlson when they turned 28?

Both players have fair market contracts considering how elite both of them are. Doughty is struggling this year because the kings stink. If you threw him on Toronto.... man. Rielly-Doughty would be the sickest pairing in the league.