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If Zaitsev actually has value

Created by: hazard
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 3, 2019
Published: Feb. 3, 2019
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Am I fair to this is even? or would a mid level prospect have to be included?
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  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (TOR)
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Feb. 3, 2019 at 10:56 p.m.
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Unfortunately Zaitsev doesn't really have any value, especially with his contract. As for acquiring Tanev, Vancouver's management value him very highly. I'd think the starting point probably would be Kapanen or Johnsson, Zaitsev, and a 2nd or 3rd.
Feb. 3, 2019 at 11:02 p.m.
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Not a chance. Zaitsev's value has been in a free fall since his rookie season. He's simply not good enough. It's going to cost more than a 3rd to move him with nothing coming back to TOR. Definitely not getting Tabev for that.
Feb. 3, 2019 at 11:07 p.m.
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Gees with the way all you guys talk, you'd think Zaitsev to Edmonton for Lucic is a fair trade for both sides. Z's contract isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
Feb. 3, 2019 at 11:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Noir_AG
Unfortunately Zaitsev doesn't really have any value, especially with his contract. As for acquiring Tanev, Vancouver's management value him very highly. I'd think the starting point probably would be Kapanen or Johnsson, Zaitsev, and a 2nd or 3rd.


Ohh boy, do I feel bad for you if Tanev is ever traded...
Gms have been offering (1) matt Martin for Tanev 1-for-1(from TOR) (2) Jake Dotchin for Tanev 1-for-1(From TBL) and so on.
If he gets moved, you might get a 5th lol, and you are here asking for Kappy + AJ+2nd/3rd and Z?
I actually hope he is never traded for your sake. It'll break your soul...
https://theathletic.com/714351/2018/12/14/chris-tanevs-rapidly-declining-play-introduces-another-asset-management-dilemma-for-canucks/

Tl;dr OP's trade is actually pretty close to what other GM's are offering you...
Feb. 3, 2019 at 11:56 p.m.
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Realistically Tanev has more trade value that Zaitsev...simply due to the fact he's only got another year left on his deal so it's much less risky.

Anyone who watches leaf games routinely will tell you there's nothing wrong with Zaitsev's play....but there's really nothing special about it either. If he was maing $1m less no one would care...but in cap-crunched Toronto everyone is eyeballing every contract under a microscope to make sure we are receiving adequate value for each cap dollar spent...and the reality is that we have about $1m in cap being wasted on Zaitsev.

If there's a team with a ton of cap space looking to acquire a RHD for little acquisition cost...Zaitsev might be attractive as a fallback for a team somewhere...but you might be talking about 1 or 2 GM's who'd be willing to take him but happy to wait and see if there's any better options first.

Tanev's numbers have taken a nosedive the past few seasons...but with just 1 year left on his deal, I think there'd be more suitors at least willing to see if a fresh start somewhere new revives him. A 2nd rounder and a b prospect seems appropriate value to me....but not from Toronto as they can't afford any risky contracts
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Feb. 4, 2019 at 12:03 a.m.
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Ohh boy, do I feel bad for you if Tanev is ever traded...
Gms have been offering (1) matt Martin for Tanev 1-for-1(from TOR) (2) Jake Dotchin for Tanev 1-for-1(From TBL) and so on.
If he gets moved, you might get a 5th lol, and you are here asking for Kappy + AJ+2nd/3rd and Z?
I actually hope he is never traded for your sake. It'll break your soul...
https://theathletic.com/714351/2018/12/14/chris-tanevs-rapidly-declining-play-introduces-another-asset-management-dilemma-for-canucks/

Tl;dr OP's trade is actually pretty close to what other GM's are offering you...


You're mistaking me as a Canuck's fan, I couldn't care less either way if he's traded or not. I agree with most of points in that article but that doesn't change the fact that Vancouver management views him much higher than his actual worth.
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Feb. 4, 2019 at 12:08 a.m.
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Ohh boy, do I feel bad for you if Tanev is ever traded...
Gms have been offering (1) matt Martin for Tanev 1-for-1(from TOR) (2) Jake Dotchin for Tanev 1-for-1(From TBL) and so on.
If he gets moved, you might get a 5th lol, and you are here asking for Kappy + AJ+2nd/3rd and Z?
I actually hope he is never traded for your sake. It'll break your soul...
https://theathletic.com/714351/2018/12/14/chris-tanevs-rapidly-declining-play-introduces-another-asset-management-dilemma-for-canucks/

Tl;dr OP's trade is actually pretty close to what other GM's are offering you...


When’s your subscription over so I don’t have to read half stories lol. I think @Juice is spot on here (because it is exactly what I say lol) zaitsev is about 1m over paid but he is a serviceable 2nd pairing guy who does have some versatility in his game. I’ve been quite happy with his play. He makes smart decisions and he’s solid in his end. When it comes to next season he may not fit into our cap structure and may need to be moved. Moving him for tanev does nothing to help us next season and I see it as a complete lateral move.
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Feb. 4, 2019 at 12:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
When’s your subscription over so I don’t have to read half stories lol. I think @Juice is spot on here (because it is exactly what I say lol) zaitsev is about 1m over paid but he is a serviceable 2nd pairing guy who does have some versatility in his game. I’ve been quite happy with his play. He makes smart decisions and he’s solid in his end. When it comes to next season he may not fit into our cap structure and may need to be moved. Moving him for tanev does nothing to help us next season and I see it as a complete lateral move.


Honestly man, its more of getting rid of him for the sake of Dubas being the bigger boss then babcock. Drives me up a wall when I see Gard and Zait play together when theyve absolute dog**** together. If Babcock is willing to split them up, then everything is solved, but sometimes you gotta take away toys from your kids
Feb. 4, 2019 at 8:37 a.m.
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Honestly man, its more of getting rid of him for the sake of Dubas being the bigger boss then babcock. Drives me up a wall when I see Gard and Zait play together when theyve absolute dog**** together. If Babcock is willing to split them up, then everything is solved, but sometimes you gotta take away toys from your kids


We saw the same thing last year in January...Babs was reluctant to move away from Komarov on the 3rd line and Martin on the 4th (with Marner)...finally decided to give Kapanen a spot on the 4th line and move Marner up....and still made it a point to say it was only going to be for a game or two...but it changed the entire look of the on-ice product.

I agree, the Zaitsev-Gardiner tandem needs to be separated. Jake is probably the best skater on the back end...IMO he should be the one playing the right side...either with Rielly or Muzzin on his left.
 
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