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Toronto Maple Leafs signed Auston Matthews (5 Years / $11,640,250 AAV)

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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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UFA at 26yr old...WOW
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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Leafs would easily counter with a $4.1M contract to make it a 1st and 3rd.


It doesn't work that way. If a player signed a $4 million offer sheet, the Leafs would take ownership of that $4.000 million offer sheet. No need to bid +$1 more.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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Toronto how many guys do you have to say goodbye to after the year?
How much is Marner getting?

You currently got $7.5mm in cap space and 14 guys signed.
Let's say Cap is $83mm, that leaves you with $11mm for 9 contracts.

Will be interesting to see how Dubas shapes the roster next year.


Don't forget the salary relief from placing Horton on LTIR
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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I'm not worried about that, because I never see offer sheets for anything but top tier players. It's too easy to match + trade a player with no No-Trade-Clause.
The players would likely choose not to sign an offer sheet, build up some stats playing on a championship team, and then collect their Stanley Cup bonuses at free agency

We will have to shed Nylander to open up some cap space for our blueline though. He's not good enough to be a Top 3 forward on the team, and he's too expensive to be #4


I don't think Kapanen or Johnsson really care about building up their stats. If they believe in themselves, they would take the money they deserve now and cash out again when they become UFA's
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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Either way, its extremely unlikely. Offer sheets are incredibly rare.


Who doesn't like controversy though?
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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Either way, its extremely unlikely. Offer sheets are incredibly rare.


Mostly cuz teams will match a lower offer...But Toronto cant. Teams will see this and come picking...
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Jetman
Gards shouldnt...unless you want him at a -5 again...


Quoting: HabsForEver
Less depth than last year. Unless they make a trade for some more rentals, they won't get past the 1st round.


Quoting: tatatavares
Tell us why the Leafs haven't been past the 1st round of the playoffs since 2004. Who do you blame?

Your weaknesses get exposed and exploited by opponents in the playoffs in a way they just don't bother to during the regular season. Gardiner is a defensive weakness


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terrible defensively listen to steve Dangle yell about Gardinar coughing up a puck and ending up a good chance or in the back of the net almost every single game and either way your still playing one of Zaitsev or Hainsey in your top 4


As usual the idiots show themselves....
Gards has a very positive goal diff. He was also the best Dman for games 1-6 vs boston, and washington, and 2013 boston. 1 bad game doesn't erase that. But keep cherrypicing stats, Ill just continue to laugh. I'll laugh harder when one of your teams signs gards on july 1st.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: tatatavares
It doesn't work that way. If a player signed a $4 million offer sheet, the Leafs would take ownership of that $4.000 million offer sheet. No need to bid +$1 more.


I'm aware. I'm just saying he used $4M as an example as only needing a 2nd rounder. 100k more increases the compensation to a 1st and 3rd.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:45 p.m.
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Don't forget the salary relief from placing Horton on LTIR


resigning Marner will leave them with 3 Million (give or take a few hundred thousand) to resign Lindholm/Kapanen/Johnsson. That leaves them without Gardiner/Hainsey.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:45 p.m.
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Yes but why wouldnt a team want Kap for 4M...FYI, any team would automatically trade a 2nd rounder for him...


They would want him, that's fine. They would just have to trade with the Leafs to get him and the price would certainly be more than a 2nd round pick. There's extra cap space over the summer when this would likely happen.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:46 p.m.
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As usual the idiots show themselves....
Gards has a very positive goal diff. He was also the best Dman for games 1-6 vs boston, and washington, and 2013 boston. 1 bad game doesn't erase that. But keep cherrypicing stats, Ill just continue to laugh. I'll laugh harder when one of your teams signs gards on july 1st.


Where does my comment say Gardiner is a bad defensemen? If he had a capable defensive partner, his blemishes would dissapear. I am very hopeful he signs with Montreal on July 1st.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:46 p.m.
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resigning Marner will leave them with 3 Million (give or take a few hundred thousand) to resign Lindholm/Kapanen/Johnsson. That leaves them without Gardiner/Hainsey.


I think everyone accepted Gardiner is unlikely to return after the Muzzin trade.
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:46 p.m.
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I'm aware. I'm just saying he used $4M as an example as only needing a 2nd rounder. 100k more increases the compensation to a 1st and 3rd.


If only the Leafs could legitimately afford Kapanen at 4.1M. They can't, hence they wouldn't match it.
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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Gards wont be playing there next year...thats what he meant...Any good team has 3-4 stud D's...not one...Muzzin is decent but he did play on the 2nd pairing for a reason in LA


pairing doesn't matter lol. ask kings fans Muzzin has been their best D, and #2 when Doughty is on his game.
#1:Rielly
#2: Muzzin
#3: Dermott
#4 Zaitzev

But keep sleeping on the Leafs. It will make the salt when they win that much better.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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I think everyone accepted Gardiner is unlikely to return after the Muzzin trade.


Still leaves about 3 Million to resign those 3 forwards + you are down a top 4 defensemen from this year. There is no way to argue that the Leafs could possibly be better next year than this year.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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Well, if you are not going to win, you might as well get PAID!!! awesome face
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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pairing doesn't matter lol. ask kings fans Muzzin has been their best D, and #2 when Doughty is on his game.
#1:Rielly
#2: Muzzin
#3: Dermott
#4 Zaitzev

But keep sleeping on the Leafs. It will make the salt when they win that much better.


If you are going to try and argue that, that defense can contend for a Stanley Cup, please save yourself the time.
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
If only the Leafs could legitimately afford Kapanen at 4.1M. They can't, hence they wouldn't match it.


I don't understand why a team would want to overpay and send leafs a 1st rounder?
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsForEver
If you are going to try and argue that, that defense can contend for a Stanley Cup, please save yourself the time.


Please go look at who Penguins iced on defense during their stanley cup wins
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:50 p.m.
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I don't understand why a team would want to overpay and send leafs a 1st rounder?


They would offer 4 Million because Toronto can't afford that. You are missing the point here. Either they get Kapanen for a 2nd round pick, or Toronto gets themselves into even more cap hell.
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:51 p.m.
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Where does my comment say Gardiner is a bad defensemen? If he had a capable defensive partner, his blemishes would dissapear. I am very hopeful he signs with Montreal on July 1st.


I was saying you take was stupid, but I can see how that wasn't clear so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:53 p.m.
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Please go look at who Penguins iced on defense during their stanley cup wins


8 players averaged over .5 PPG. Their depth was unreal. Their ability to roll all 4 lines is what won them the cup. Mix that in with Matt Murray and you will win a Stanley Cup.
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Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:54 p.m.
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I was saying you take was stupid, but I can see how that wasn't clear so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I believe I am bringing up some good points in this argument. I'm not trolling or anything.
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:54 p.m.
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They would offer 4 Million because Toronto can't afford that. You are missing the point here. Either they get Kapanen for a 2nd round pick, or Toronto gets themselves into even more cap hell.


And you're missing the point that no team would over pay for Kapanen to attempt to make a team go into cap hell. If Leafs decide to take the compensation, some team is now overpaying Kapanen and sending Leafs a pick
Feb. 5, 2019 at 2:56 p.m.
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And you're missing the point that no team would over pay for Kapanen to attempt to make a team go into cap hell. If Leafs decide to take the compensation, some team is now overpaying Kapanen and sending Leafs a pick


Kapanen has 30 points in 53 games at 22. Are those stats for real or is he a benefit of the system? 4 million is a really good price if he can continue that pace. Considering a player enters their prime around 24/25/26, I would say a team would risk that chance.
 
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