Why are AGMs on here only saying Marner is in for a huge pay day

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell	7	$9,616,000
Sparks, Garret	2	$900,000
Johnsson, Andreas	3	$2,200,000
Kapanen, Kasperi	1	$3,000,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Krüger, Marcus	2	$980,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$85,000,000	$76,874,032	$0	$482,500	$8,125,968

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Marleau, Patrick $700,000$700,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,634,000$11,634,000 C UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 5
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 6	Marner, Mitchell $9,616,000$9,616,000 RW UFA - 6
Johnsson, Andreas $2,200,000$2,200,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Brown, Connor $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Moore, Trevor $775,000$775,000 LW, RW UFA - 2		Bracco, Jeremy $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) RW UFA - 1
	Krüger, Marcus $980,000$980,000 C UFA

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Muzzin, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 1	Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 3	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 1	Montour, Brandon $3,387,500$3,387,500 RD UFA - 1
Rosén, Calle $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 2	Liljegren, Timothy $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 3	Sparks, Garret $900,000$900,000 G UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 1		Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 1

Feb. 6, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.

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Because of this:

McKenzie: "In Mitch Marner's heart and mind, and that of the people surrounded him - his family, his agent Darren Ferris - they absolutely, 100 percent believe earnestly that Mitch Marner is worth every bit as much as Auston Matthews. They do." #Leafs 1050

Feb. 6, 2019 at 2:51 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

Because of this:

McKenzie: "In Mitch Marner's heart and mind, and that of the people surrounded him - his family, his agent Darren Ferris - they absolutely, 100 percent believe earnestly that Mitch Marner is worth every bit as much as Auston Matthews. They do." #Leafs 1050

Marner is the better player.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 2:55 p.m.

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Leafs screwed up with Matthews extension in more ways than one. The term should have been longer for the AAV he comes in at, and they should have announced, or at least worked out both deals simultaneously. What's going to happen now is Marner will put up 100 points and won't be satisfied with $9 million over 8 years.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 2:59 p.m.

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Quoting: linehan10

Marner is the better player.

But he's not better than Kucherov. I don't get why Marner's camp thinks he should be the highest paid winger in the NHL? Something needs to change with the way these contracts are going when people come off an ELC. These 22 year olds haven't earned the contract that John Tavares or Drew Doughty earned.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.

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We were claiming same for Matthews, but turned out Dubas is on the way to become another Chiarelli....5 x 11,6M for two 60+ seasons and no trophies to show off....so yes....Marner can legitimatelly ask for 5x10,5M and thats with "hometown discount".....

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:04 p.m.

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His direct comparable in my honest opinion is something above Leon Draisaitl as for contract extension (McDavid and Draisaitl.... Matthews and Marner, you see the point). So.. Draisaitl is a centerman which adds value slightly above Marner BUT he puts up less points which puts him behind Marners value. You may or may not agree with that, its how I see it. Draisaitl got 11.33% of 75mil cap space. I believe Mitch should get 12.5% of 83mil cap space. Matthews gets 14% and Tavares 13.25% of that cap space. Marner should get slightly lower number but also an important one above Draisaitl as he is better difference maker, better point producer and more of an impact player but not a centerman which is a thing that runs for Draisaitl. Also I believe Mitch would be worth 12.5% of cap space at time of signing if he signs for 6yrs. That would bring his next contract to 6x10.375. Give or take 100k-200k dollars and thats his likely next contract. Is this reasoning good or not? I believe good.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:07 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

But he's not better than Kucherov. I don't get why Marner's camp thinks he should be the highest paid winger in the NHL? Something needs to change with the way these contracts are going when people come off an ELC. These 22 year olds haven't earned the contract that John Tavares or Drew Doughty earned.

His camp thinks that because Mathews got valued above McDavid. I mean asking for $14 million over 8 years is ridiculous and all of a sudden makes $11.6 bearable. Dubas lost both Nylander and Mathews negotiations in my mind and now the most difficult one will be Marner because he knows he is better than Matheslws.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:07 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

But he's not better than Kucherov. I don't get why Marner's camp thinks he should be the highest paid winger in the NHL? Something needs to change with the way these contracts are going when people come off an ELC. These 22 year olds haven't earned the contract that John Tavares or Drew Doughty earned.

yes but toronto has one of the HIGHEST tax rates in the league when florida doesn't have any state income tax so they are significantly lower-- torontos taxes are 16.48% higher than florida. so 9.5*116.48%=11.0656m.. Kucherov also signed that deal when the cap was less. So, if marner accepts anything 11m or less he is making less than kucherov

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:09 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

But he's not better than Kucherov. I don't get why Marner's camp thinks he should be the highest paid winger in the NHL? Something needs to change with the way these contracts are going when people come off an ELC. These 22 year olds haven't earned the contract that John Tavares or Drew Doughty earned.

The issue with current contracts are that the ELC deals expire well before a player enters his prime. With more and more players entering the league at 18-21 teams a betting on a players continued growth from 22-30 by handing out $4-6M deals before a player has earned that level of contract, on the other side of the coin teams are hesitant to sign a 27-32 year who is in their prime to a big ticket knowing thay may only get 3-4 years of continued production and the remaining year may end up being a boat anchor

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:20 p.m.

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Quoting: CzechingOut

The issue with current contracts are that the ELC deals expire well before a player enters his prime. With more and more players entering the league at 18-21 teams a betting on a players continued growth from 22-30 by handing out $4-6M deals before a player has earned that level of contract, on the other side of the coin teams are hesitant to sign a 27-32 year who is in their prime to a big ticket knowing thay may only get 3-4 years of continued production and the remaining year may end up being a boat anchor

A players prime is 23-28 give or take a year or two. At oldest it's 25-30.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:46 p.m.

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Quoting: Laudan

We were claiming same for Matthews, but turned out Dubas is on the way to become another Chiarelli....5 x 11,6M for two 60+ seasons and no trophies to show off....so yes....Marner can legitimatelly ask for 5x10,5M and thats with "hometown discount".....

Didn't Matthews win Rookie of the Year? Do they not get a trophy for that?

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:52 p.m.

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yes but toronto has one of the HIGHEST tax rates in the league when florida doesn't have any state income tax so they are significantly lower-- torontos taxes are 16.48% higher than florida. so 9.5*116.48%=11.0656m.. Kucherov also signed that deal when the cap was less. So, if marner accepts anything 11m or less he is making less than kucherov

Kucherov's deal takes effect next year so the cap will be the same as is is for Marner & Matthews. They might not have known how much it was going to be but whey knew it would increase.

Also I'm sure that athletes who play in a bigger market get more money in endorsements and appearances then an hockey player playing in Florida. I would bet that Marner would make more money than Kucherov even if they both made $9.5 Mil.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:52 p.m.

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Quoting: BCAPP

A players prime is 23-28 give or take a year or two. At oldest it's 25-30.

Depends on the position and the player. Forwards tend to blossom earlier, Dman in thier late 20s and goalies are a crap shoot at best.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 3:56 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

Kucherov's deal takes effect next year so the cap will be the same as is is for Marner & Matthews. They might not have known how much it was going to be but whey knew it would increase.

Also I'm sure that athletes who play in a bigger market get more money in endorsements and appearances then an hockey player playing in Florida. I would bet that Marner would make more money than Kucherov even if they both made $9.5 Mil.

Yes but that's not how it really works. Once the cap is known he'll ask for a specific percentage of it, the same thing that kucherov did when the cap went up this past year. Smart move for him to make money tbh. It sucks nowadays that almost all players are money hungry in a cap era.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 4:00 p.m.

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Yes but that's not how it really works. Once the cap is known he'll ask for a specific percentage of it, the same thing that kucherov did when the cap went up this past year. Smart move for him to make money tbh. It sucks nowadays that almost all players are money hungry in a cap era.

But Kucherov is still on the the last year of his previous contract no? And no one knows for sure what the cap will be next year. So if anything Kucherov cost himself money by signing before the 2019/20 cap was set especially if it goes to $83 mil.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 4:04 p.m.

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Easy answer, because Dubas has set the market in Toronto. Marner is every bit as valuable as Matthews and they just paid him $11.6.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 4:07 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

But Kucherov is still on the the last year of his previous contract no? And no one knows for sure what the cap will be next year. So if anything Kucherov cost himself money by signing before the 2019/20 cap was set especially if it goes to $83 mil.

yes he is and that is what i am saying, kuch cost himself some money.. marner isn't signing until after it's decided so he won't fall into that catagory

Feb. 6, 2019 at 4:17 p.m.

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Quoting: superbrett

But he's not better than Kucherov. I don't get why Marner's camp thinks he should be the highest paid winger in the NHL? Something needs to change with the way these contracts are going when people come off an ELC. These 22 year olds haven't earned the contract that John Tavares or Drew Doughty earned.

I hear this one a lot. Kuch is better and is only taking 9.5. He wasn’t money hungry at all. His franchise center had just signed for 8.5 a few years back and he took a million more. Marner sees Tavares and Matthews take 11-11.6 and he’s going to at least equal them in points. And I hate saying this, but Marner has outplayed Matthews. Especially defensively. Matthews has really struggled that way. Marner faces top lines all the time and has played quite well. Taxes are higher in Canada, and Eichel/Matthews had no problem taking more than Kuch. Marner has also called off contract talks until the summer - why? So he can focus and play better thus command a better contract? Toronto isn’t going to let him go. He holds most of the cards, and why shouldn’t he? He’s elite.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.

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I hear this one a lot. Kuch is better and is only taking 9.5. He wasn’t money hungry at all. His franchise center had just signed for 8.5 a few years back and he took a million more. Marner sees Tavares and Matthews take 11-11.6 and he’s going to at least equal them in points. And I hate saying this, but Marner has outplayed Matthews. Especially defensively. Matthews has really struggled that way. Marner faces top lines all the time and has played quite well. Taxes are higher in Canada, and Eichel/Matthews had no problem taking more than Kuch. Marner has also called off contract talks until the summer - why? So he can focus and play better thus command a better contract? Toronto isn’t going to let him go. He holds most of the cards, and why shouldn’t he? He’s elite.

I just thought that Centres were worth more than wingers? Like that was a well known thing so right off the bat Marner has done nothing to indicate he should be the top paid Winger in the NHL. He and his agent have to realize the max he should be able to get is $10.5 Mil. Baseball has it right with it's arbitration process, there is no way that Marner would get more than Kucherov if this was the case.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 4:32 p.m.

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Quoting: Spanky227

yes he is and that is what i am saying, kuch cost himself some money.. marner isn't signing until after it's decided so he won't fall into that catagory

Sorry, misread that.

Feb. 6, 2019 at 8:50 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

Because of this:

McKenzie: "In Mitch Marner's heart and mind, and that of the people surrounded him - his family, his agent Darren Ferris - they absolutely, 100 percent believe earnestly that Mitch Marner is worth every bit as much as Auston Matthews. They do." #Leafs 1050

Can you please send the tweet he said that please

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Feb. 6, 2019 at 8:57 p.m.

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Can you please send the tweet he said that please

It was on TSN 1050, so he didn't tweet it, but the tweet is someone quoting him from the radio.

Here's the tweet

Feb. 6, 2019 at 9:14 p.m.

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Quoting: TanSor

It was on TSN 1050, so he didn't tweet it, but the tweet is someone quoting him from the radio.

Here's the tweet

Ok thanks

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