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Philly Trade

Created by: Karr31
Initial Creation Date: Feb 8, 2019
Published: Feb 8, 2019 at 9:54 am
Team: 2018-19 Dallas Stars
Team Explanation
Wanted to see what it'd look like, and of course get passionate thoughts...
Trades
DAL
  1. Couturier, Sean
PHI
  1. Faksa, Radek
  2. Honka, Julius
  3. Robertson, Jason
  4. 2019 1st round pick (DAL)
Buyouts
  • Antti Niemi: $1,500,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
2019
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
2020
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
2021
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$79,009,998$0$3,407,500$490,002
Left WingCenterRight Wing
DAL
Janmark, Mattias
$2,300,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
DAL
Seguin, Tyler
$5,750,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
DAL
Radulov, Alexander
$6,250,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 4
DAL
Benn, Jamie
$9,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
PHI
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 4
DAL
Spezza, Jason
$7,500,000
C, RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
DAL
Cogliano, Andrew
$3,250,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 3
DAL
Dickinson, Jason
$875,000
C
RFA - 1
DAL
Comeau, Blake
$2,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
DAL
Gurianov, Denis
$894,166
LW
RFA - 2
DAL
Hintz, Roope
$811,667
C, LW
RFA - 2
DAL
Ritchie, Brett
$1,750,000
RW
RFA - 1
DAL
Nichushkin, Valeri
$2,950,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
DAL
Lindell, Esa
$2,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
DAL
Klingberg, John
$4,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
DAL
Bishop, Ben
$4,916,666
G
NMC
UFA - 5
DAL
Heiskanen, Miro
$894,166
LD
RFA - 3
DAL
Polák, Roman
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
DAL
Khudobin, Anton
$2,500,000
G
UFA - 2
DAL
Oleksiak, Jamie
$2,137,500
LD
UFA - 3
DAL
Fedun, Taylor
$650,000
RD
UFA - 1
DAL
Bow, Landon
$697,500
G
RFA - 1
DAL
Carrick, Connor
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
DAL
Pitlick, Tyler
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
DAL
Methot, Marc
$4,900,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
DAL
Johns, Stephen
$2,350,000
RD
UFA - 3
DAL
Hanzal, Martin
$4,750,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2

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Feb 8, 2019 at 10:01
#1
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That return has really solid value, Coots is just too valuable to us though. Not to mention he’s on a steal of a contract which is something teams can really use in the salary cap era
Feb 8, 2019 at 10:14
#2
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Quoting: Flyers2000
That return has really solid value, Coots is just too valuable to us though. Not to mention he’s on a steal of a contract which is something teams can really use in the salary cap era


Flyers don't move Couturier to Dallas unless the package starts with Heiskanen.
Feb 8, 2019 at 10:21
#3
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Quoting: Dmh1055
Flyers don't move Couturier to Dallas unless the package starts with Heiskanen.


Talk about overvaluing your hometown players....
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Feb 8, 2019 at 10:33
#4
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Quoting: NicholasM2699
Talk about overvaluing your hometown players....


How many 6'4 centers that put up 70+ points and play a strong defensive game are available? Of those how many are signed to an amazing cap hit like Couturier's? If you want the Flyers to even consider trading Couturier it'd have to be an overpay.
Feb 8, 2019 at 10:46
#5
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Quoting: Dmh1055
Flyers don't move Couturier to Dallas unless the package starts with Heiskanen.


I agree it'd take overpaying. My thought was 2 current roster players, which both included were former 1st rd picks, and both would be under control. Additionally, 1st rd pick this year, and a top prospect, which Robertson is our best fwd prospect in the system. Essentially, to fill our need with the type of player Couturier is, it'd take assets that would address multiple needs for Philly. This offer does that, but with any deal there'd of course be heavy negotiations on value.
Feb 8, 2019 at 10:50
#6
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Quoting: Karr31
I agree it'd take overpaying. My thought was 2 current roster players, which both included were former 1st rd picks, and both would be under control. Additionally, 1st rd pick this year, and a top prospect, which Robertson is our best fwd prospect in the system. Essentially, to fill our need with the type of player Couturier is, it'd take assets that would address multiple needs for Philly. This offer does that, but with any deal there'd of course be heavy negotiations on value.


It's a strong offer. It's just not enough to entice me to want to move Couturier. I like Robertson and the 2019 1st. I'm not too excited over getting Faksa or Honka.
Feb 8, 2019 at 10:52
#7
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Posts: 11,032
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Quoting: Karr31
I agree it'd take overpaying. My thought was 2 current roster players, which both included were former 1st rd picks, and both would be under control. Additionally, 1st rd pick this year, and a top prospect, which Robertson is our best fwd prospect in the system. Essentially, to fill our need with the type of player Couturier is, it'd take assets that would address multiple needs for Philly. This offer does that, but with any deal there'd of course be heavy negotiations on value.


Former 1st rounders doesn't mean much. Honka isn't worth near his draft value now. Faksa is a 3C.
Feb 8, 2019 at 11:29
#8
Not a burger anymore
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This is a good offer. But I'd say it leaves a too big hole for PHI roster.

Someone here said Couturier trade starts with Heiskanen. If so, I'd hope the package involved Provorov as well.
Feb 8, 2019 at 11:31
#9
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
This is a good offer. But I'd say it leaves a too big hole for PHI roster.

Someone here said Couturier trade starts with Heiskanen. If so, I'd hope the package involved Provorov as well.


People don't seem to understand how good Miro is. There is ZERO chance Dallas moves him.
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Feb 8, 2019 at 11:36
#10
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
People don't seem to understand how good Miro is. There is ZERO chance Dallas moves him.


Exactly.
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Feb 8, 2019 at 12:43
#11
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
This is a good offer. But I'd say it leaves a too big hole for PHI roster.

Someone here said Couturier trade starts with Heiskanen. If so, I'd hope the package involved Provorov as well.


Looking at Dallas, the only package of just prospects that could land Couturier or even make the Flyers want to move him would be to include Heiskanen. That's in response to the original trade which is not enough to make the Flyers do the deal. Couturier is not getting traded for prospects like he's an A+ UFA player. He's signed for a longer term and is worth a better value meal.
Feb 8, 2019 at 1:18
#12
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Quoting: Dmh1055
Looking at Dallas, the only package of just prospects that could land Couturier or even make the Flyers want to move him would be to include Heiskanen. That's in response to the original trade which is not enough to make the Flyers do the deal. Couturier is not getting traded for prospects like he's an A+ UFA player. He's signed for a longer term and is worth a better value meal.


Couturier's good. Nothing to say in that. a TOP20 Center? That's debatable.

But Heiskanen's potentially a TOP5 D in this league in a couple of years. When speaking in value, Couturier is maybe in TOP50, but Heiskanen's probably in TOP20.
Feb 8, 2019 at 1:24
#13
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Couturier's good. Nothing to say in that. a TOP20 Center? That's debatable.

But Heiskanen's potentially a TOP5 D in this league in a couple of years. When speaking in value, Couturier is maybe in TOP50, but Heiskanen's probably in TOP20.


I don't know if I would go that far. You have to think of Couts the same way you would think of Bergeron. He isn't quite to that level yet but he is very close.
Feb 8, 2019 at 1:46
#14
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
I don't know if I would go that far. You have to think of Couts the same way you would think of Bergeron. He isn't quite to that level yet but he is very close.


He's pacing for another 70+ season. He's not as old as Bergeron so he's already there. He also has a better size advantage over Bergeron.
Feb 8, 2019 at 1:49
#15
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Quoting: Dmh1055
He's pacing for another 70+ season. He's not as old as Bergeron so he's already there. He also has a better size advantage over Bergeron.


Bergeron is a better player still. You can't say Couts is "there" yet. When Couts wins a Selke, then you can say he is there.
Feb 8, 2019 at 1:53
#16
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Couturier's good. Nothing to say in that. a TOP20 Center? That's debatable.

But Heiskanen's potentially a TOP5 D in this league in a couple of years. When speaking in value, Couturier is maybe in TOP50, but Heiskanen's probably in TOP20.


Name 20 centers that are better. Then name how many are available for trade.

Heiskanen is potentially a top 5 defender. A. Couturier is an already is. A 2 time 70+ point player and a Selke Candidate You have to understand the difference.
Feb 8, 2019 at 1:54
#17
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Bergeron is a better player still. You can't say Couts is "there" yet. When Couts wins a Selke, then you can say he is there.


You do realize that awards are mostly a popularity contest right? Being nominated is enough to say he's there.
Feb 8, 2019 at 2:08
#18
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Quoting: Dmh1055
You do realize that awards are mostly a popularity contest right? Being nominated is enough to say he's there.


Bergeron is a better player and if you don't think so then you are being a huge homer. You don't win 4 Selke's and be nominated every year because of a popularity contest. I can guarantee you that if Canada had to put an Olympic team on the ice right now, Bergeron would be there over Couts.
Feb 8, 2019 at 2:25
#19
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Bergeron is a better player and if you don't think so then you are being a huge homer. You don't win 4 Selke's and be nominated every year because of a popularity contest. I can guarantee you that if Canada had to put an Olympic team on the ice right now, Bergeron would be there over Couts.


I never said he was better. He could have won one of Bergeron's Selke's and he still wouldn't be better yet. I did say he was right up there with him which you said as well. You're arguing against your own point.
 
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