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Trading Nylander for futures

Created by: palhal
Initial Creation Date: Feb 13, 2019
Published: Feb 13, 2019 at 6:25 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
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If Marleau doesn't retire, the Leaf need a big cut from their roster to be cap compliant. Nylander at a cap hit of. near 7m and cash payout of 4.7m for. five years might interest the Flyers. Flyers get immediate help. Nylander is the past few games has really looked good,
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell8$10,000,000
Ozhiganov, Igor2$1,200,000
Sparks, Garret2$900,000
Johnsson, Andreas2$3,100,000
Kapanen, Kasperi2$3,600,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ennis, Tyler1$800,000
Lindholm, Pär2$1,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Myers, Philippe
PHI
  1. Nylander, William
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
1
2
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$83,000,000$83,401,222$0$0-$401,222
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,100,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,600,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Lindholm, Pär
$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
TOR
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Ennis, Tyler
$800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
TOR
Sparks, Garret
$900,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Ozhiganov, Igor
$1,200,000
RD
UFA
PHI
Myers, Philippe
$678,889
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:28
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Sam
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Interesting, normally I’d argue there’s no point in trading already young players for more unproven futures, but the cap issue makes this make more sense.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:33
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Interesting, normally I’d argue there’s no point in trading already young players for more unproven futures, but the cap issue makes this make more sense.


Thanks for the support. I expect to reamed by my fellow Leaf fans and heck maybe by Flyer fans. It's my thought, if you need cap it's better to trade one piece then you only have one position to fill then to try trade 3 players with a cap of 7m and not get any money back, now you need to fill three positions.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:35
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I actually like your trade. I think it's one of the better proposed ones we see on here. It helps both teams. Good job!
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:38
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@palhal

My main issues is your value on Johnnson and Kappi. There have been many players that are in their position that dont get such homerun contracts. See Brown, Brown was coming off his ELC and had a 20 goal campaign playing a mix of top 6 minutes (sound familiar) and signed for 2.1$. There is no way Kappi and Johnnson get his much. I would rather give one a one year contract for low AAV and risk paying out higher when Marleau expires then to just give up now and over pay. I just dont understand.
Feb 13, 2019 at 6:38
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Quoting: rja40
I actually like your trade. I think it's one of the better proposed ones we see on here. It helps both teams. Good job!


Thanks rja40. I bet all Blues fans are relieved they didn't see a Parayko/Nylander trade. Leafs are in St Louis next week. Should be fun. Always good to see other teams that you don't see often.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:39
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Quoting: palhal
Thanks for the support. I expect to reamed by my fellow Leaf fans and heck maybe by Flyer fans. It's my thought, if you need cap it's better to trade one piece then you only have one position to fill then to try trade 3 players with a cap of 7m and not get any money back, now you need to fill three positions.


I like the concept, but I feel like you have to get someone a little more proven or else it’s weakening the team in their prime contention years. Maybe someone like Josh Anderson from Columbus who’s nowhere near as dynamic as Nylander, but is significantly cheaper and adds a different element.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:42
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While I definitely like the idea, I think the Leafs would need back a third piece, like Scott Laughton, who would be an upgrade for the Leafs over Frederick Gauthier.
Feb 13, 2019 at 6:42
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Sam
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Quoting: palhal
Thanks rja40. I bet all Blues fans are relieved they didn't see a Parayko/Nylander trade. Leafs are in St Louis next week. Should be fun. Always good to see other teams that you don't see often.


Beleive it or not, the Leafs are in my top 5 favorite teams so I’m really excited for that game as well. Both teams are looking good so I bet we’ll get an exciting game and hopefully we’ll continue to have your number.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:45
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Quoting: Davisoc
@palhal

My main issues is your value on Johnnson and Kappi. There have been many players that are in their position that dont get such homerun contracts. See Brown, Brown was coming off his ELC and had a 20 goal campaign playing a mix of top 6 minutes (sound familiar) and signed for 2.1$. There is no way Kappi and Johnnson get his much. I would rather give one a one year contract for low AAV and risk paying out higher when Marleau expires then to just give up now and over pay. I just dont understand.


Your comments are fair. I didn't want to underpay the RFAs just to try to get under the cap. Leafs in their last two RFA signings have seemed to pay premium prices for their RFAs. Just my thought, that a one year contract don't work. Leafs might really be looking at offer sheets. And why should Johnson/Kapanen, and other give up security and money just because the Leaf got themselves with cap problems by overpaying other players. Hey I hope you're run that all players take less than I would proposed. Still the Leafs would be over the cap and someone will have to be traded.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:46
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Quoting: Davisoc
@palhal

My main issues is your value on Johnnson and Kappi. There have been many players that are in their position that dont get such homerun contracts. See Brown, Brown was coming off his ELC and had a 20 goal campaign playing a mix of top 6 minutes (sound familiar) and signed for 2.1$. There is no way Kappi and Johnnson get his much. I would rather give one a one year contract for low AAV and risk paying out higher when Marleau expires then to just give up now and over pay. I just dont understand.


There’s no way? Seriously? Remember this in the off season
Feb 13, 2019 at 6:46
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Trade Zaitsev and reduce the Kapanen and Johnsson contracts instead. All this does is hurt the window for the Leafs to win
Feb 13, 2019 at 6:48
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
There’s no way? Seriously? Remember this in the off season


Lets no mistake Nylander for doing this to all players.
Feb 13, 2019 at 6:48
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Quoting: palhal
Your comments are fair. I didn't want to underpay the RFAs just to try to get under the cap. Leafs in their last two RFA signings have seemed to pay premium prices for their RFAs. Just my thought, that a one year contract don't work. Leafs might really be looking at offer sheets. And why should Johnson/Kapanen, and other give up security and money just because the Leaf got themselves with cap problems by overpaying other players. Hey I hope you're run that all players take less than I would proposed. Still the Leafs would be over the cap and someone will have to be traded.


Well, thats the beauty of RFA's, we have control. They don't. I dont even think they have arbitration rights.
Feb 13, 2019 at 6:48
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Quoting: MG1986
While I definitely like the idea, I think the Leafs would need back a third piece, like Scott Laughton, who would be an upgrade for the Leafs over Frederick Gauthier.


Funny about Laughton. When he plays against the Leafs he seems to play very well. He is a Toronto boy. If he played 82 games like he plays against the Leafs, he'd be a 4m player.
Feb 13, 2019 at 6:54
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Quoting: STLBlues17
I like the concept, but I feel like you have to get someone a little more proven or else it’s weakening the team in their prime contention years. Maybe someone like Josh Anderson from Columbus who’s nowhere near as dynamic as Nylander, but is significantly cheaper and adds a different element.


I agree with about Josh Anderson. Probably the very reason at 1.8m that he's "untouchable" in CBJ view.
The Leafs cap problem arose from signing Tavares as UFA...and not giving up anything for him. Marner turning into star along with his now high salary_. And the better expected play of Johnsson and Kapanen. So in a cap world, someone has to be traded.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:54
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Quoting: Davisoc
@palhal

My main issues is your value on Johnnson and Kappi. There have been many players that are in their position that dont get such homerun contracts. See Brown, Brown was coming off his ELC and had a 20 goal campaign playing a mix of top 6 minutes (sound familiar) and signed for 2.1$. There is no way Kappi and Johnnson get his much. I would rather give one a one year contract for low AAV and risk paying out higher when Marleau expires then to just give up now and over pay. I just dont understand.


I think his point is to show how much room there is once you trade Nylander.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:58
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Quoting: JohnTavares91
Trade Zaitsev and reduce the Kapanen and Johnsson contracts instead. All this does is hurt the window for the Leafs to win

For that to work, you'd have to reduce their total from $6.7M to $4.3M
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Feb 13, 2019 at 6:59
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Quoting: JohnTavares91
Trade Zaitsev and reduce the Kapanen and Johnsson contracts instead. All this does is hurt the window for the Leafs to win


I don't know if I have seen a Zaitsev trade that makes sense. So many think they can dump Zaitsev without the other team sending money back to the Leafs. Other teams don't have that motivation. And while I would love to see Johnsson and Kapanen take less money (and they still might), the Leafs have shown they are quite willing to overpay their RFAs.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 7:02
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I like your idea. What about mine -- Nylander for Scott Mayfield and the Islanders' first-round draft pick?
Feb 13, 2019 at 7:08
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Quoting: palhal
Funny about Laughton. When he plays against the Leafs he seems to play very well. He is a Toronto boy. If he played 82 games like he plays against the Leafs, he'd be a 4m player.


I like Laughton's game, at least from what I've seen, and that is more than just when he plays versus TO :P He is a grinder and plays a tough, hard-nosed game, something the Leafs could certainly use in their lineup, not to mention on the 4th line. He has decent enough hands to score some as well, and like I said, would be an upgrade over what Toronto currently has as their 4C. He is an RFA, but I would expect a Connor Brown type bridge deal for him on his next contract. I think a Frost, Myers and Laughton for Nylander deal would be fair for both teams.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 7:11
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I like your idea. What about mine -- Nylander for Scott Mayfield and the Islanders' first-round draft pick?


Leafs would have to see what the pick was. If it's in the late teens or twenties, I don't think it's good enough for the Leafs. Now if the Isles miss the playoffs and it about 10th pick....then it's a maybe.
Why I liked Frost. Flyers have good centre depth, and Leafs don't Frost is doing very well in junior, he might be a year away. Frost could be replace Kadri in a few years.
Mayfield has real unusual contract. Long term at a modest price., even as good third pairing, he would be a fit for any team., if he maintains his play. Jarnkrok of Nashville signed a 12m for 6 years, now seems like a real bargain for Nashville.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 7:13
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Beleive it or not, the Leafs are in my top 5 favorite teams so I’m really excited for that game as well. Both teams are looking good so I bet we’ll get an exciting game and hopefully we’ll continue to have your number.


I always hate playing teams that run around the ice like antelopes, and Toronto has a herd of them. The Blues have been skating well of late, but that idiot Doug Armstrong continues to force Steen and his triceratops-like speed onto the ice to save face for the stupid extension he gave him. Watching him skate now is worse than watching leaves grow.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 7:16
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Quoting: Davisoc
Well, thats the beauty of RFA's, we have control. They don't. I dont even think they have arbitration rights.


Weird that Matthews got the contract he did then....

That kind of thinking is a thing of the past
Feb 13, 2019 at 7:22
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Quoting: rja40
I always hate playing teams that run around the ice like antelopes, and Toronto has a herd of them. The Blues have been skating well of late, but that idiot Doug Armstrong continues to force Steen and his triceratops-like speed onto the ice to save face for the stupid extension he gave him. Watching him skate now is worse than watching leaves grow.


When the Leafs are going well, their speed is very evident. Nylander is actually looking really good, and Kapanen who is always plays fast, when he has puck confidence is really good too. Plus Marner.
That's three really fast right wingers. Blues left wingers better have jets on their skates, if the Leafs have their A game on.
Feb 13, 2019 at 7:24
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Quoting: palhal
When the Leafs are going well, their speed is very evident. Nylander is actually looking really good, and Kapanen who is always plays fast, when he has puck confidence is really good too. Plus Marner.
That's three really fast right wingers. Blues left wingers better have jets on their skates, if the Leafs have their A game on.


One of our left wingers is Alexander Steen. The only jet he has will be in the word "jettison" as when we get rid of him. Ugg.
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