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Trading Nylander for futures

Created by: palhal
Initial Creation Date: Feb 13, 2019
Published: Feb 13, 2019 at 6:25 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
If Marleau doesn't retire, the Leaf need a big cut from their roster to be cap compliant. Nylander at a cap hit of. near 7m and cash payout of 4.7m for. five years might interest the Flyers. Flyers get immediate help. Nylander is the past few games has really looked good,
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell8$10,000,000
Ozhiganov, Igor2$1,200,000
Sparks, Garret2$900,000
Johnsson, Andreas2$3,100,000
Kapanen, Kasperi2$3,600,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ennis, Tyler1$800,000
Lindholm, Pär2$1,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Myers, Philippe
PHI
  1. Nylander, William
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
1
2
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$83,000,000$83,401,222$0$0-$401,222
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,100,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,600,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Lindholm, Pär
$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
TOR
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Ennis, Tyler
$800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
TOR
Sparks, Garret
$900,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Ozhiganov, Igor
$1,200,000
RD
UFA
PHI
Myers, Philippe
$678,889
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Feb 13, 2019 at 7:26
#26
Sam
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Quoting: rja40
I always hate playing teams that run around the ice like antelopes, and Toronto has a herd of them. The Blues have been skating well of late, but that idiot Doug Armstrong continues to force Steen and his triceratops-like speed onto the ice to save face for the stupid extension he gave him. Watching him skate now is worse than watching leaves grow.


Triceratops, I like it. You can really tell Steen’s a boat-anchor by the way he struggles so hard to gain ground lol. The Blues new system has everybody (even Maroon) looking like effortless skaters through the neautral zone and then there’s Steen who makes it look like he’s dragging a car. I still think he’s useful on the pk and honestly I’d put him in front of the net on the power play as well, but man he drives me nuts at even-strength.
Feb 13, 2019 at 7:34
#27
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I think Dubas designed Nylander's contract like he did just to be able to do a trade like this to get out of a cap crunch. We are in a cap world and as much as we would like to keep all the great players we just can't. A team meeds more than 5 or 6 star players and the rest just low level support because that is all that we can afford. I would rather have 3 or 4 star players and have better quality support for them. Trading Nylander for future prospects or picks allows the team to keep competitive longer into the future by adding to the future pool of quality players rather than reducing them by adding them or picks as incentive for teams to take players off our hands.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 7:39
#28
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My take up to the Muzzin trade was that I thought they'd make minor adds this year, focus on signing the rfas and then make a real push in a couple years. But I think the Muzzin trade signals that the leafs FO think they got a legitimate shot now, and I think there could be more moves coming before the trade deadline, which is great.. but it certainly complicates the plot in terms of how they make the cap work next year.. someone's gonna go. And unless the magic 6M number that you and others identified disapears from their cap next year, then a Nylander trade very well could make the most sense.. as much as Id hate to see that happen..
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Feb 13, 2019 at 7:41
#29
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Gauss
I think Dubas designed Nylander's contract like he did just to be able to do a trade like this to get out of a cap crunch. We are in a cap world and as much as we would like to keep all the great players we just can't. A team meeds more than 5 or 6 star players and the rest just low level support because that is all that we can afford. I would rather have 3 or 4 star players and have better quality support for them. Trading Nylander for future prospects or picks allows the team to keep competitive longer into the future by adding to the future pool of quality players rather than reducing them by adding them or picks as incentive for teams to take players off our hands.


I like your thought and agree with it. In hockey even your poorly paid NHLer who are on the third or fourth line or are the bottom end Dman play big minutes, important minutes collectively. So those guys better be NHL good or else you're giving up too many goals when they are on the ice.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 8:01
#30
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
For that to work, you'd have to reduce their total from $6.7M to $4.3M


Right. I can't seem to find a way to get the leafs to be cap compliant unless i trade out Z, Brown and either squeeze Kappy/Johnson or trade Hyman too. What i take away from pals post is... are the leafs a better team in losing up to 3 rosters players or 1, in possibly Nylander? Its a good question.

Strange though.. if Marleau does choose to retire and his contract is traded then everything seems to magucally line up with without too much concern. Very strange how that works..
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Feb 13, 2019 at 8:25
#31
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@palhal where abouts do you live...I feel the need to come buy you a drink this October when Nylander is still on the team.
Feb 13, 2019 at 9:50
#32
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Edited Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11
Quoting: Juice
@palhal where abouts do you live...I feel the need to come buy you a drink this October when Nylander is still on the team.


Gee, I feel it would be drinks for all Leafs fans if Nylander is still on the team. Maybe that means Marleau has retired. I'm on Georgian Bay but I come to Toronto often, usually Etobicoke area.
Would love to meet you and our CapFriendly pals.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 10:00
#33
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Quoting: palhal
Gee, I feel it would be drinks for all Leafs fans if Nylander is still on the team. Maybe that means Marleau has retired. I'm on Georgian Bay but I come to Toronto often, usually Etobicoke area.
Would love to me you and our CapFriendly pals.


Yeah, and you got a free dinner and three beers if you're in L.A.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 10:05
#34
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
Right. I can't seem to find a way to get the leafs to be cap compliant unless i trade out Z, Brown and either squeeze Kappy/Johnson or trade Hyman too. What i take away from pals post is... are the leafs a better team in losing up to 3 rosters players or 1, in possibly Nylander? Its a good question.

Strange though.. if Marleau does choose to retire and his contract is traded then everything seems to magucally line up with without too much concern. Very strange how that works..


If you trade Zaitsev and limit Marner to $9.5M, you can usually make things work . . . the main determining factor is actually Marner's hit. I've done a few constructions, some posted and some not, that indicate (to me at least) that whether you give Marner $9M, $9.5M, or more than that dictates who can stay and who has to go. Pretty soon you find yourself looking at guys like Nick Jensen, Scott Mayfield, Christian Folin, Oscar Fantenberg, and asking yourself whether Stephen Johns will ever play again.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 10:09
#35
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Yeah, and you got a free dinner and three beers if you're in L.A.


Thanks NYI fan. If I'm your. way, I promise to make contact.
I know you're in the entertainment business. Could you get my in contact with a hot Hollywood actress? I really like Meryl Streep.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 10:16
#36
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Thanks NYI fan. If I'm your. way, I promise to make contact.
I know you're in the entertainment business. Could you get me in contact with a hot Hollywood actress? I really like Meryl Streep.


Don't know any Oscar winners . . . only nominees.
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Feb 13, 2019 at 11:01
#37
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Quoting: palhal
Gee, I feel it would be drinks for all Leafs fans if Nylander is still on the team. Maybe that means Marleau has retired. I'm on Georgian Bay but I come to Toronto often, usually Etobicoke area.
Would love to meet you and our CapFriendly pals.


Haha. I thought I was ‘north’ as I’m in Aurora. I’d legit be down for catching a leaf game with some of you gents. Maybe 400/7 type area. Or Barrie even if everyone is north
Feb 13, 2019 at 11:28
#38
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Quoting: STLBlues17
but man he drives me nuts at even-strength.


I agree 100%.
Feb 14, 2019 at 3:20
#39
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
If you trade Zaitsev and limit Marner to $9.5M, you can usually make things work . . . the main determining factor is actually Marner's hit. I've done a few constructions, some posted and some not, that indicate (to me at least) that whether you give Marner $9M, $9.5M, or more than that dictates who can stay and who has to go. Pretty soon you find yourself looking at guys like Nick Jensen, Scott Mayfield, Christian Folin, Oscar Fantenberg, and asking yourself whether Stephen Johns will ever play again.


I think Kaberle was a rhd. Maybe we could convince him to come out of retirement? And sign for league minimum..
Feb 14, 2019 at 8:17
#40
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
I think Kaberle was a rhd. Maybe we could convince him to come out of retirement? And sign for league minimum..


No Kaberle was LHD. Maybe a more reasonable scenario would to have RHD Bob Baun or Jim McKenney come out of retirement.
Feb 14, 2019 at 8:23
#41
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Quoting: Juice
Haha. I thought I was ‘north’ as I’m in Aurora. I’d legit be down for catching a leaf game with some of you gents. Maybe 400/7 type area. Or Barrie even if everyone is north


You're a more tecky than me. Maybe you can contact some. Leaf fans on this site. A post winter get together would ease any driving/delay concerns. I'm game for any event either simple or complex.
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Feb 14, 2019 at 8:48
#42
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Quoting: palhal
No Kaberle was LHD. Maybe a more reasonable scenario would to have RHD Bob Baun or Jim McKenney come out of retirement.


Ugh.. this rhd is an impossible riddle to solve.. i give up! Its hopeless, and we're all doomed...
Feb 14, 2019 at 10:45
#43
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Weird that Matthews got the contract he did then....

That kind of thinking is a thing of the past


You make the most FOOLISH and OUTRAGEOUS comments on this website. Stop wasting peoples time with your bullsh*t. Yeah we are obviously saying that Kappi and Johnnson are the same as Mathews...!?!?! Use your head.
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Feb 14, 2019 at 11:21
#44
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Quoting: Davisoc
You make the most FOOLISH and OUTRAGEOUS comments on this website. Stop wasting peoples time with your bullsh*t. Yeah we are obviously saying that Kappi and Johnnson are the same as Mathews...!?!?! Use your head.


I think you’re ignoring the context of this discussion. You said (or whoever I was responding to) that rfas don’t have leverage. Well, they do. Nylander got paid. Matthews got possibly the most player friendly deal out of an elc in nhl history. RFAs have leverage. Tom Wilson just got like 27 million dollars right? Saying that RFAs don’t have leverage is ignoring all evidence from the last 4-5 years
Feb 14, 2019 at 12:12
#45
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I think you’re ignoring the context of this discussion. You said (or whoever I was responding to) that rfas don’t have leverage. Well, they do. Nylander got paid. Matthews got possibly the most player friendly deal out of an elc in nhl history. RFAs have leverage. Tom Wilson just got like 27 million dollars right? Saying that RFAs don’t have leverage is ignoring all evidence from the last 4-5 years


Okay, so you just brought up the outliers, should we actually have an intelligent conversation and bring up the vast majority of RFA signings?

https://www.capfriendly.com/signings

There you go bud, do me a favor and do some research, okay? Okay!
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Feb 14, 2019 at 12:18
#46
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Quoting: Davisoc
Okay, so you just brought up the outliers, should we actually have an intelligent conversation and bring up the vast majority of RFA signings?

https://www.capfriendly.com/signings

There you go bud, do me a favor and do some research, okay? Okay!


you're making my case for me! whooooole lot of RFAs signing contracts for over 20 million without buying out much UFA time.
Feb 14, 2019 at 1:01
#47
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
you're making my case for me! whooooole lot of RFAs signing contracts for over 20 million without buying out much UFA time.


Sometimes I wonder if you are even a sports fan. I know Bruins fans are some of the worst around, there is no mistaking that. Its bad that your profile is Carlo I mean.. ooof. But you go around saying the most ridiculous stuff out of anyone. At first I thought you enjoyed stirring the pot, sure no problem, theres a$$holes all over the internet. Now, I just think you are genuinely stupid. So I apologize for even engaging, its not fair to you.

Good luck on your future endeavors.
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Feb 14, 2019 at 9:35
#48
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Quoting: Davisoc
Sometimes I wonder if you are even a sports fan. I know Bruins fans are some of the worst around, there is no mistaking that. Its bad that your profile is Carlo I mean.. ooof. But you go around saying the most ridiculous stuff out of anyone. At first I thought you enjoyed stirring the pot, sure no problem, theres a$$holes all over the internet. Now, I just think you are genuinely stupid. So I apologize for even engaging, its not fair to you.

Good luck on your future endeavors.


Have you noticed that this guy rarely posts teams (4 last year, 4 this year) but seems to have an opinion about every single transaction? I don't think I've ever posted a comment about at least half the teams in the NHL.
Feb 15, 2019 at 10:59
#49
Wannabe Leafs GM
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Have you noticed that this guy rarely posts teams (4 last year, 4 this year) but seems to have an opinion about every single transaction? I don't think I've ever posted a comment about at least half the teams in the NHL.


He is a weak troll man. I have no patience for him. If you want to come at with me with a legit argument, facts and have a productive conversation. Lets do it! But this arguing to argue needs to stop.
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Feb 15, 2019 at 2:54
#50
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Quoting: Davisoc
He is a weak troll man. I have no patience for him. If you want to come at with me with a legit argument, facts and have a productive conversation. Lets do it! But this arguing to argue needs to stop.


Some people just like to pontificate. Me, I love being wrong (and I don't have to try hard) because being shown the light means being educated. One of my first posts was to posit Erik Karlsson signing up with Florida, where Mrs. Karlsson could renew her acquaintance with Mrs, Hoffman,
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