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Jensen and Dzingel see description for value on Jensen

Created by: staytru20
Team: 2018-19 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 19, 2019
Published: Feb. 19, 2019
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Description
https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/1097905233114607616
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Jaskin, Dmitrij
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
Moving Jaskin to make salaries work.
2.
OTT
  1. Bowey, Madison
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
2020 2nd turns into 2019 1st if WSH returns to the Stanley Cup, or if Dzingel re-signs with WSH.
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2021
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23$79,500,000$70,553,462$82,500$1,100,000$8,946,538
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$9,538,462$9,538,462
LW
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C
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
LW
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$6,700,000$6,700,000
C
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UFA - 2
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$5,166,667$5,166,667
RW
UFA - 6
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,415,000$2,415,000
C
UFA - 5
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$650,000$650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$650,000$650,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
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UFA - 1
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LD
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
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UFA - 8
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,275,000$1,275,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$650,000$650,000
G
UFA - 1
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$650,000$650,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$812,500$812,500
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 12:44 p.m.
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Both, I think, are quite fair. Like them both a lot.
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.
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I like the Dzingel trade as a sens fan. That conditional pick is smart.

And the Jensen one is good too. If CapFriendly still had a rating system, I'd give 5 stars haha
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 12:55 p.m.
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I think that Dzingel trade works for both team. Bowey is young, and he fits the mould of what Ottawa's blueline is shaping into; the fast puck moving LD(Chabot,Wolanin, Tychonick, Lajoie), with the bigger defensively minded RD to support(DeMelo, Jaros, JBD).

I think best case scenario, Bowey would be a great 2nd pairing guy to compliment Christian Wolanin, or at the very least he's a competent 3RD.
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 12:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
I think that Dzingel trade works for both team. Bowey is young, and he fits the mould of what Ottawa's blueline is shaping into; the fast puck moving LD(Chabot,Wolanin, Tychonick, Lajoie), with the bigger defensively minded RD to support(DeMelo, Jaros, JBD).

I think best case scenario, Bowey would be a great 2nd pairing guy to compliment Christian Wolanin, or at the very least he's a competent 3RD.


I agree - Bowey has 2nd pairing potential. OTT could be a good place for him to develop with less of the pressure of WSH contending for another Cup.
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 1:03 p.m.
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Good team. Make the conditional 1st a 2019, of course. Seems a little silly for the champs to include a conditional pick based on making the finals, but Dzingel resigning in Washington's available cap space seems sufficiently unlikely to gamble on.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
I think that Dzingel trade works for both team. Bowey is young, and he fits the mould of what Ottawa's blueline is shaping into; the fast puck moving LD(Chabot,Wolanin, Tychonick, Lajoie), with the bigger defensively minded RD to support(DeMelo, Jaros, JBD).

I think best case scenario, Bowey would be a great 2nd pairing guy to compliment Christian Wolanin, or at the very least he's a competent 3RD.


Do you have any cheap defensemen you don't like, and might throw in to that Bowey deal?

Jensen's certainly having a good year, but a 2nd might be a tiny bit high, given his lack of offense.

Washington has defensive prospects on the way, and could use a rental plug who can either sit in the press box or play 18 minutes a night, if there's an injury, so the top guys don't get tired.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
I think that Dzingel trade works for both team. Bowey is young, and he fits the mould of what Ottawa's blueline is shaping into; the fast puck moving LD(Chabot,Wolanin, Tychonick, Lajoie), with the bigger defensively minded RD to support(DeMelo, Jaros, JBD).

I think best case scenario, Bowey would be a great 2nd pairing guy to compliment Christian Wolanin, or at the very least he's a competent 3RD.


Bowey is 23 and not even a bottom pair guy, not sure where you see the 2nd pair upside. I’d take these trades ina heartbeat tho.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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Well done, I think you've found two smart moves. I really like both of these a lot.
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 2:03 p.m.
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Bowey is 23 and not even a bottom pair guy, not sure where you see the 2nd pair upside. I’d take these trades ina heartbeat tho.


Bowey was consistently point a game defenseman in juniors. He got a cup of coffee with Team Canada. Up to the trade deadline last year he had more points than H. Fleury.

He has 18 points in 84 career games, so he is starting out like someone who will become a decent puck moving #2RHD.

Sometimes unwanted defensmen off championship teams can help a struggling team get back to the playoffs, like when the Caps picked up Niskanen and Orpik, or Langway and Engblom?

If Ottawa isn't sure they want to re-sign Dzingel, I think Bowey, signed cheaper for another year, playing a more valuable position pretty well, and then becoming an RFA.... that's something that makes sense on and off the ice.

Reirden does seem to prefer Djoos over Bowey, but that's on Reirden, and it's entirely possible that Orpik retires some time in the next couple of decades.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 2:08 p.m.
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Anybody got a guess what Dzingel wants to resign? Love his speed, think he fits well but don't want just a rental.
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 2:52 p.m.
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Anybody got a guess what Dzingel wants to resign? Love his speed, think he fits well but don't want just a rental.


He's on pace for 63 points and will be a 27 year old UFA.

Jason Zucker as a 26 year old RFA signed 5yrsx5.5M after putting up 64 points.

The difference between an RFA and UFA is that 30 more teams can bid without it costing them anything to do so.

So the least he signs for is probably $6M a year. Somewhere. Not in Washington.
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
He's on pace for 63 points and will be a 27 year old UFA.

Jason Zucker as a 26 year old RFA signed 5yrsx5.5M after putting up 64 points.

The difference between an RFA and UFA is that 30 more teams can bid without it costing them anything to do so.

So the least he signs for is probably $6M a year. Somewhere. Not in Washington.


Pass. Too much to pay for a rental.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 3:46 p.m.
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Bowey was consistently point a game defenseman in juniors. He got a cup of coffee with Team Canada. Up to the trade deadline last year he had more points than H. Fleury.

He has 18 points in 84 career games, so he is starting out like someone who will become a decent puck moving #2RHD.

Sometimes unwanted defensmen off championship teams can help a struggling team get back to the playoffs, like when the Caps picked up Niskanen and Orpik, or Langway and Engblom?

If Ottawa isn't sure they want to re-sign Dzingel, I think Bowey, signed cheaper for another year, playing a more valuable position pretty well, and then becoming an RFA.... that's something that makes sense on and off the ice.

Reirden does seem to prefer Djoos over Bowey, but that's on Reirden, and it's entirely possible that Orpik retires some time in the next couple of decades.


Bowey could possibly be our 9th or 10th dman next year. He has terrible skating and gets run over in possession. If you look at his goals generated per game its way below replacement level, he is not a good player and has hit his potential imo, if youre basing it off of WAR players are in their primes from 22-25. I'd rather see actually good players getting ice time.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 3:49 p.m.
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Bowey could possibly be our 9th or 10th dman next year. He has terrible skating and gets run over in possession. If you look at his goals generated per game its way below replacement level, he is not a good player and has hit his potential imo, if youre basing it off of WAR players are in their primes from 22-25. I'd rather see actually good players getting ice time.


Defensemen take longer to develop. He needs a chance to develop on a team that isn't contending for a cup. This could be a good move for him to develop on a team that is nowhere near contention.
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Feb. 19, 2019 at 4:02 p.m.
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Defensemen take longer to develop. He needs a chance to develop on a team that isn't contending for a cup. This could be a good move for him to develop on a team that is nowhere near contention.


Yep. And goals generated per game doesn't sound like it takes ice time into account. If you're behind Carlson and Niskanen on a depth chart, you get way less ice time than most teams' #6 defensemen. So that's the kind of stat you pull out if you just happen to dislike Bowey and want him to leave for non-hockey reasons. Or if you just aren't good at math. I'm not sure what JBF is up to, here, but I'm sure Ottawa fans appreciate it.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 4:09 p.m.
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Bowey could possibly be our 9th or 10th dman next year. He has terrible skating and gets run over in possession. If you look at his goals generated per game its way below replacement level, he is not a good player and has hit his potential imo, if youre basing it off of WAR players are in their primes from 22-25. I'd rather see actually good players getting ice time.


That's because Reirden doesn't play him enough, though. Offense per game is halfway just a measure of ice time, so no.

Points/60, he's 10th among defensemen in his draft class, way ahead of Mirco Mueller, who I think was a 1st rounder?

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterscoring&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20122013&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&draftYear=2013&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=pointsPer60Minutes
Feb. 19, 2019 at 4:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
That's because Reirden doesn't play him enough, though. Offense per game is halfway just a measure of ice time, so no.

Points/60, he's 10th among defensemen in his draft class, way ahead of Mirco Mueller, who I think was a 1st rounder?

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterscoring&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20122013&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&draftYear=2013&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=pointsPer60Minutes


Mueller is not good either

https://public.tableau.com/profile/jon.falcone#!/vizhome/NHL18-19SeasonDaytoDayPlayerRankings/SeasonLongForwardRankings

Look at Bowey there and then look at his heat maps. His IQ is low and he also is probably the worst skater on the team (except orpik). GMBM should move him while he still has value, next year he'll be behind: Carlson, Orlov, Nisky, Kempny, Siegenthaler, Djoos, LuJo, Hobbs, and potentially Alexeyev.
Feb. 19, 2019 at 4:38 p.m.
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Mueller is not good either

https://public.tableau.com/profile/jon.falcone#!/vizhome/NHL18-19SeasonDaytoDayPlayerRankings/SeasonLongForwardRankings

Look at Bowey there and then look at his heat maps. His IQ is low and he also is probably the worst skater on the team (except orpik). GMBM should move him while he still has value, next year he'll be behind: Carlson, Orlov, Nisky, Kempny, Siegenthaler, Djoos, LuJo, Hobbs, and potentially Alexeyev.


You realize you're arguing against that happening, here? Like, either of the Ottawa accounts above could be Dorion.

Alexeyev is 6th in the WHL in points/game, so I agree clearing a space for him makes sense.

But on that chart where it says Bowey is 10th in points/60 among the 2013 draft class, the guy in 24th place was Ottawa's first round pick, ahead of Burakovsky--another ugy you're not so hot on. I'm not saying Bowey or Burakovsky will be all starts. They won't. But they're good.
 
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