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what the leafs could have done if they made another deal

Created by: bobpip123
Initial Creation Date: Feb 25, 2019
Published: Feb 25 at 9:17 pm
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Spurgeon, Jared
MIN
  1. Brown, Connor
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (TOR)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
Buried
  • Michael Hutchinson: $275,000 ($1,300,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
2019
TOR
TOR
STL
TOR
TOR
DAL
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
EDM
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$79,500,000$78,772,736$2,550,000$5,400,000$727,264
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
TOR
Nylander, William
$10,277,778
RW, C
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$787,500
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$894,167
RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$874,125
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 2
TOR
Ennis, Tyler
$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
TOR
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Gardiner, Jake
$4,050,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hainsey, Ron
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Sparks, Garret
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Ozhiganov, Igor
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 2
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
$5,187,500
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2

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Feb 25 at 9:24
#1
Joined: Jun 2017
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Yeah, no. We aren't going to bend over and give Spurgeon up for scraps. It would cost you one of Nylander (we'd have to add for Nylander) or Kapanen and Toronto won't give up either.
blowing_the_zone liked this.
Feb 25 at 9:47
#2
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
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Ya, totally. Except it takes two teams to make a trade, and this offer gets ridiculed
Feb 25 at 9:48
#3
Big John T
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 468
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Didn't you just give up Mikael Granlund for scraps?

Spurgeon is 29, Granlund 26. About the same contract.

The difference is Spurgeon probably vetoed any trade thanks to his 20 team no trade list this season
It's going to take a long time to turn the ship around, but MIN has started throwing overboard anything that's not nailed down so they can get younger cheaper players that will peak when Suter/Parise contracts don't take such a big % of the cap


This isn't the deal for Spurgeon, but even Montour got traded by Anaheim which is a good comparable in terms of a franchise
Feb 25 at 9:57
#4
Joined: Jun 2017
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Quoting: tatatavares
Didn't you just give up Mikael Granlund for scraps?

Spurgeon is 29, Granlund 26. About the same contract.

The difference is Spurgeon probably vetoed any trade thanks to his 20 team no trade list this season
It's going to take a long time to turn the ship around, but MIN has started throwing overboard anything that's not nailed down so they can get younger cheaper players that will peak when Suter/Parise contracts don't take such a big % of the cap


This isn't the deal for Spurgeon, but even Montour got traded by Anaheim which is a good comparable in terms of a franchise


No, I don't think we did. Fiala is a great young player, he's actually been better than Granlund at 5v5 and has more goals scored over his first three seasons than Granlund did over his first 3 seasons and Granlund averaged 3 minutes more per game than Fiala did. Would I have liked more for Granlund? Yes, but Fiala very well could be a better player than Granlund is.

I'm not sure Spurgeon would veto a trade if he knows he isn't part of our long-term plan (which may or may not be the case, but if Toronto is on his list and we ask him to waive that then he definitely isn't a part of our long-term plan) and knows he has a better shot at a cup elsewhere.
OldNYIfan liked this.
Feb 25 at 10:07
#5
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 28,555
Likes: 6,566
Let's imagine the Wild agreed to that deal. More Leafs cap for this year. But then it's another 3m for the Leafs to get rid of next year.
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Feb 25 at 10:48
#6
First NY Then LA
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 7,330
Likes: 3,037
Unless Minnesota is willing to exchange Spurgeon for Zaitsev, there's no way we can afford him next year. Does that trade sound at all reasonable, even with a 2020 first-round pick thrown in?
Feb 25 at 11:32
#7
Joined: Apr 2016
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I have to imagine that Dubas knows he’s not going to have an easy time getting Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson on deals considered on the lower end of fair market value...he seemed to have very little interest in a UFA rental and couldn’t bring on anyone with term unless money was going back the other way...and finding a trading partner willing to take cap hit back probably wasn’t getting him very far in trade negotiations.

It’s not the flashy move most would have liked to see today but probably the safer one for him to just stay the course and give himself the most flexibility heading into the off season.

I cringed anytime I heard someone say their window was ‘now’ and they had to go ‘all-in’ this year. We have a core of 21-24 yr old’s and a top 5 team in the league. No sense making risky moves right now, IMO.

Can’t lie, part of me sees that McQuaid trade and still feels like that price would be well worth it even if he’s a 6/7 d-man but I gotta respect that Dubas wants a fast, skilled team and didn’t want to plug in beef just for the sake of it.
Feb 26 at 8:08
#8
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Juice
I have to imagine that Dubas knows he’s not going to have an easy time getting Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson on deals considered on the lower end of fair market value...he seemed to have very little interest in a UFA rental and couldn’t bring on anyone with term unless money was going back the other way...and finding a trading partner willing to take cap hit back probably wasn’t getting him very far in trade negotiations.

It’s not the flashy move most would have liked to see today but probably the safer one for him to just stay the course and give himself the most flexibility heading into the off season.

I cringed anytime I heard someone say their window was ‘now’ and they had to go ‘all-in’ this year. We have a core of 21-24 yr old’s and a top 5 team in the league. No sense making risky moves right now, IMO.

Can’t lie, part of me sees that McQuaid trade and still feels like that price would be well worth it even if he’s a 6/7 d-man but I gotta respect that Dubas wants a fast, skilled team and didn’t want to plug in beef just for the sake of it.


Yea, since McQuaid went for 4th and 7th....could the Leafs offered a 3rd, and Matt Hendricks went for a 7th, maybe those are two heavy players. Agree with you "the window is closing" statement. Heck even if the Leafs are cap crunched and need to trade a big name (Nylander) they still have a good core and will get some good assets (ELCs or prospects) in the trade.
I like what Columbus did, not selling their UFAs and went on a buying spree. Told their players fans they are "going for it "this year. Even if those UFAs walk next year, they have 30m in cap space to acquire other players.
Thought San Jose did well just trading a 2nd for Nyquist. Like what Nashville, Jets and Vegas did too. Despite all the criticism, thought the Senators did OK. Now with those picks and cap space...a real chance to rebuild. IF UFA players weren't going g to resign....what choice to the Senators have?
Trading Lindholm, is Gauthier are 4th centre...He went on a scoring spree last night...a goal and assist. I made suggestion yesterday when Kadri comes back having four centres of Tavares, Matthews, Nylander and Kadri....Ennis and Moore good enough for fourth line duty.
Feb 26 at 9:27
#9
Joined: Apr 2016
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Quoting: palhal
Yea, since McQuaid went for 4th and 7th....could the Leafs offered a 3rd, and Matt Hendricks went for a 7th, maybe those are two heavy players. Agree with you "the window is closing" statement. Heck even if the Leafs are cap crunched and need to trade a big name (Nylander) they still have a good core and will get some good assets (ELCs or prospects) in the trade.
I like what Columbus did, not selling their UFAs and went on a buying spree. Told their players fans they are "going for it "this year. Even if those UFAs walk next year, they have 30m in cap space to acquire other players.
Thought San Jose did well just trading a 2nd for Nyquist. Like what Nashville, Jets and Vegas did too. Despite all the criticism, thought the Senators did OK. Now with those picks and cap space...a real chance to rebuild. IF UFA players weren't going g to resign....what choice to the Senators have?
Trading Lindholm, is Gauthier are 4th centre...He went on a scoring spree last night...a goal and assist. I made suggestion yesterday when Kadri comes back having four centres of Tavares, Matthews, Nylander and Kadri....Ennis and Moore good enough for fourth line duty.


I’ve never seen a game like that out of the Goat before. I’ve been riding him hard the past couple months but it looks like adding a little Internal competition lit a fire in him finally. Ennis has battled whenever he’s gotten playing time and I like that game they’re giving Moore a longer look. Throwing Petan in the mix will hopefully keep everyone hungry
 
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