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Backes for Zucker and Spurgeon Bruins Side

Created by: MNBassman
Initial Creation Date: Feb 28, 2019
Published: Feb 28, 2019 at 10:50 am
Team: 2019-20 Boston Bruins
Team Explanation
Sorry for the clickbait...or whatever the kids are calling it these days... I still think this trade makes sense. What says you, Boston?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
McAvoy, Charlie4$4,500,000
Forsbacka Karlsson, Jakob2$1,500,000
Carlo, Brandon5$4,500,000
Trades
BOS
  1. Spurgeon, Jared
  2. Zucker, Jason
Additional Details:
Trade Breakdown: 2020 1st for taking on Backes' contract. Carlo and Studnicka for Spurgeon and Zucker. The Wild would be willing to retain salary on Spurgeon, if necessary to make this deal work. I admit this is a bit of a short-sighted move for Boston by giving up Carlo for Spurgeon, but their Cup window is clearly now...IMO.
MIN
  1. Backes, David
  2. Carlo, Brandon
  3. Studnicka, Jack
  4. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
Buyouts
  • Dennis Seidenberg: $1,166,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Matt Beleskey: $1,900,000 (50%)
  • David Backes: $1,500,000 (25%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
1
2
2020
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2021
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2022
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$79,500,000$79,022,499$0$900,000$477,501
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
BOS
Krejci, David
$7,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,666
RW
UFA - 4
MIN
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
BOS
Wagner, Chris
$1,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
$863,333
LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$3,200,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
BOS
Forsbacka Karlsson, Jakob
$1,500,000
RW, C
RFA
BOS
Nordström, Joakim
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuraly, Sean
$1,275,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
$750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BOS
Senyshyn, Zach
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BOS
Krug, Torey
$5,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,500,000
RD
RFA - 3
BOS
Rask, Tuukka
$7,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Moore, John
$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 4
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
$5,187,500
RD
NMC
UFA - 1
BOS
Halák, Jaroslav
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
BOS
Miller, Kevan
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Feb 28, 2019 at 10:52
#1
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I don't think Bruins need to attach that much to rid Backes. After July 1, 2019 he is tradeable as his actual money owed isn't much.
Feb 28, 2019 at 10:56
#2
Bcarlo25
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Yaaaa the bruins aren’t blowing up their team to get rid of backes. Hard pass
Feb 28, 2019 at 10:56
#3
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MNBassman
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Quoting: kscoop
I don't think Bruins need to attach that much to rid Backes. After July 1, 2019 he is tradeable as his actual money owed isn't much.


I'm willing to negotiate...make a counter offer.
Feb 28, 2019 at 10:57
#4
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MNBassman
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Yaaaa the bruins aren’t blowing up their team to get rid of backes. Hard pass


This is hardly "blowing up their team"... And no way is it a hard pass...they might very well pass on this deal...but it's definitely something they would have to think about.
Feb 28, 2019 at 10:59
#5
CAPS2018CHAMPS
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Don't think Bruins sign McAvoy for anything under 6.5M for 4 years.
Feb 28, 2019 at 10:59
#6
BreKel
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Pass HARD ASF
Feb 28, 2019 at 11:06
#7
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: MNBassman
This is hardly "blowing up their team"... And no way is it a hard pass...they might very well pass on this deal...but it's definitely something they would have to think about.


No it’s a definite hard pass. Just look at the value breakdown. A first for taking backes just doesn’t make sense. I honestly think there’s a really good chance backes either retires, or ltir retires after July 1st when he gets his bonus. If not, it’s because he wants to play. Well, he’s not playing for the bruins, so he’ll waive his ntc in my opinion. A first is too much, far too much.

The bruins aren’t trading Carlo and Studnicka for Spurgeon and Zucker. It blows up their long term structure on d. Spurgeon is awesome, but he’s a rental and is about to get paid. Carlo has 4 years left of team control, and beyond being an awesome shut down top four d, has tons of untapped potential. Studnicka is their best prospect, and plays the position the organization most crucially needs. I don’t think they’re giving that up for a rental and a career half point per game winger who has one good year under his belt.

There isn’t a fit here. The bruins have Studnicka pencilled into their lineup next season
Feb 28, 2019 at 11:54
#8
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MNBassman
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As you commented on the other side of this deal, Senyshyn makes it closer. How close? Because, I actually think the Bruins would be foolish not to do this.
Feb 28, 2019 at 12:14
#9
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lol nah
Feb 28, 2019 at 12:17
#10
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MNBassman
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Quoting: Jfstompers
lol nah


Brilliant! Thanks for chiming in...
Feb 28, 2019 at 12:18
#11
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Quoting: MNBassman
Brilliant! Thanks for chiming in...


sorry, backes and the first for zucker
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Feb 28, 2019 at 12:23
#12
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MNBassman
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Quoting: Jfstompers
sorry, backes and the first for zucker


If we are separating the Spurgeon/Carlo part of this deal, it would have to be Senyshyn, Backes' contract, and a 1st for Zucker. Breakdown: Senyshyn for taking on Backes' contract, and the 1st for Zucker.
Feb 28, 2019 at 12:38
#13
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Don't see it as a huge need for Boston. Zucker is an interesting player, but his production is wildly inconsistent. Spurgeon I'll admit has never really don't anything for me. Boston has Krug/Gryz now and both are undersized. I don't see why Boston would want to add a 3rd undersized d-man. Boston has missed Carlo is both of the past two post-seasons and I don't see them willing to move him.
Feb 28, 2019 at 12:42
#14
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MNBassman
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Quoting: ON3M4N
Don't see it as a huge need for Boston. Zucker is an interesting player, but his production is wildly inconsistent. Spurgeon I'll admit has never really don't anything for me. Boston has Krug/Gryz now and both are undersized. I don't see why Boston would want to add a 3rd undersized d-man. Boston has missed Carlo is both of the past two post-seasons and I don't see them willing to move him.


For starters, I would say you need to see more of Spurgeon's play. He's terrific! While I am not a Zucker fan, I do think he would do much better with the higher-end forwards the Bruins have than he does with the Wild. He needs to play with speedy players, and he is usually stuck with Staal or Koivu (both slooooooow) with the Wild.
Feb 28, 2019 at 12:47
#15
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Quoting: MNBassman
For starters, I would say you need to see more of Spurgeon's play. He's terrific! While I am not a Zucker fan, I do think he would do much better with the higher-end forwards the Bruins have than he does with the Wild. He needs to play with speedy players, and he is usually stuck with Staal or Koivu (both slooooooow) with the Wild.


I probably do need to see more of Spurgeon, but it doesn't change the fact that Boston isn't looking to get smaller on defense. In fact last year Sweeney said he wanted to get bigger on defense. As far as Zucker goes, he's probably sitting on the 3rd line in Boston with Coyle.
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Feb 28, 2019 at 12:48
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Quoting: MNBassman
For starters, I would say you need to see more of Spurgeon's play. He's terrific! While I am not a Zucker fan, I do think he would do much better with the higher-end forwards the Bruins have than he does with the Wild. He needs to play with speedy players, and he is usually stuck with Staal or Koivu (both slooooooow) with the Wild.


I think carlos upside is close to spurgeon so id rather pay carlo 4 million now and keep him than 1 year of spurgeon.
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